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1ee7W4rr10z
Posted - 2011.01.28 12:06:00 - [691]
 

I'd like to point out that you spelt fed wrong in the thread title

Severian Carnifex
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.01.28 12:54:00 - [692]
 

Idea Just to post important link on new page too:

Originally by: Severian Carnifex
I would like to point you all to one thread that i found in Assembly Hall:


[Reality Check] Bots, Macros and CCP



follow the link and support the cause if you think that
"next CSM should bring this situation to the table and ask why is CCP openly allowing bots to flourish"

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.01.28 13:08:00 - [693]
 

Looking at some of the whines going on in other parts of this and other forums (by known botters), might not incursions be used as a weapon to make RMT botting untenable?

Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2011.01.28 14:23:00 - [694]
 

Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Looking at some of the whines going on in other parts of this and other forums (by known botters), might not incursions be used as a weapon to make RMT botting untenable?


No not really. Bots will adapt. Most likely they will simply dock, cloak, log if incursion is going on until their owner can move them somewhere else.

Aquila Draco
Posted - 2011.01.28 18:24:00 - [695]
 

Originally by: 1ee7W4rr10z
I'd like to point out that you spelt fed wrong in the thread title



Working as intended... Razz

Tom Gerard
Caldari
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2011.01.29 13:58:00 - [696]
 

If nobody will enforce the law then is it really still a law?

Acording to my minmatar friend, who is a worthless scrapheap of human genetic garbage, like all their kind, CCP has no grounds to punish anyone legally for botting.


Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2011.01.29 15:33:00 - [697]
 

Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 29/01/2011 15:46:22
Originally by: Tom Gerard
If nobody will enforce the law then is it really still a law?

Acording to my minmatar friend, who is a worthless scrapheap of human genetic garbage, like all their kind, CCP has no grounds to punish anyone legally for botting.



Legally as in using the legal system? No they don't.

Legally as in using the EULA, yeah they do.

Legally as in making up the rules for their game and informing their users of those rules and then punishing them for not following those rules, yeah they do.

As for if a law / rule is not enforced its no longer a rule. Thats not true. If a law / rule is enacted, it may be used as a law / rule.

Case in point, Uganda has had a law against homosexuality for the last 70 years or so. It was never really enforced, recently however the Ugandan government charged 2 men under that very old rule and only dropped the case due to international pressure. Even though the law was not enforced it was still a law and still is a law till its changed or done away with.

Technically in Hartsville, Illinois, you can be arrested for riding an ugly horse. True story.

This is my Fav: Budds Creek, Maryland, has an antique law which prohibits horses from sleeping in a bathtub, unless the rider is also sleeping with the horse.


Elanor Vega
Posted - 2011.01.30 12:33:00 - [698]
 

Edited by: Elanor Vega on 30/01/2011 12:36:33
there is Anti Bot Petition in Assembly Hall too:


Idea [Request] Anti Bot Petition Idea



.

Crucis Cassiopeiae
Amarr
PORSCHE AG
Posted - 2011.01.30 14:26:00 - [699]
 

I'll just quote myself, what i wrote in Mining, Rats, Immersion, Bots: Fix? thread in Features and Ideas Discussion forum:

Originally by: Crucis Cassiopeiae


All around EVE forum you can find many many many posts on the same subject...

EVE <-> BOTS <-> MINING
BOTS <-> EVE <-> MINING
MINING <-> BOTS <-> EVE

there are many sugestions how to solve this problem...
and I support anything that can solve this problem... problem of BOTS... and not only in mining...
and CCP needs to do something... it's CCPs turn now...

but after all this i think that, if CCP wants to solve this problem, CCP need to integrate in client some sort of BOT DETECTION PROGRAM... and that server ACCEPTS ONLY CLIENT CONNECTIONS...
By this bot programers will need to make more effort and not only inject little pyton code in client and make it their puppet...
all other MMOs have some sort of bot detections... EVE must have it too...

when this is done, then you can make some changes in game-play...
and that all will substantially reduce number of bots in EVE... and make EVE again the best game on the market...

PhoenixofMT
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.30 22:11:00 - [700]
 

I've read posts on several different subjects involving "What the fans want" and the conclusion I've come to is:

What a bunch of whiny *****es!

I'll admit I don't know a great deal about software development (I only wear the code monkey hat at work on an as needed basis) but I do know it takes time to implement changes and this time is not influenced by complaining whether it's just your boss or a half-million enraged customers. Signing petitions can be effective to a point, but once CCP has acknowledged you, adding your voice here cannot make anything happen sooner, whether its solving UI problems with client patches or squashing the bots. And personally, I don't think hiring an army of moderators to hold everybody's hand through every "crisis" is the way to go. Of course they are silent. They've acknowledged the problem (even if it wasn't absolutely clear) and are busy working on a fix. I don't expect them to come back every 15 minutes to clarify and debate the definition of "is" in their response.

I also hate this opinion many seem to have that CCP is an evil corporation that cares only for its bottom line. It's been obvious to me from the beginning (well, my beginning about a year ago any way) that the developers have put a lot of love into this game, sometimes even to the point of ignoring what the fans would like in favor of doing something cool and new.
Sure if they banned all the bots tomorrow they would loose 1/3 of their subscribers (or whatever) but I doubt that would crush them. They might have to run lean for a couple of months but they have a great product and a loyal fan base. I'm sure they would bounce back.

Now I've read quite a bit of this thread and a few others and here are my thoughts on a few proposed solutions (though I'm sure they've already thought of and analyzed just about every possible solution).

Make mining more interactive.
This one just seems like a good idea on its own. Sure the bot programmers will probably just upgrade their bots, but adding a more interactive layer to mining (possibly with higher yields if you do more than set your laser and go watch a movie) seems like a good improvement to the game in general. I mine on occasion and it is incredibly boring unless there is some good corp chat or something to break the monotony.

Move the rarer ores to grav sites and make the miners scan them down. Leave the belts in high sec for the noobs.
This sounds good to. I don't know how a bot would access the scanning interface but it seems like it would be very difficult. And if the bot runner just scans down the site manually, they still have to come back in a couple of hours (tweak volumes to balance time to deplete) to scan down a new site.

Find the bots and permaban them.
It sounds like the Warden style bot monitor wouldn't work as well as people seem think and some regard it as an invasion of privacy. It seems pretty simple to me though. How long does the most Eve crazed, caffeine doped teenager with a summer to waste ever spend logged on in a week? It seems every fourth post talks about bots mining 23/7. What is the longest Eve marathon anyone's run? 23 hours? Has anyone gone that long and come right back for another 23 after downtime? Seems to me that a series of time based flags would be sufficient. Log more than, say, 8 hours a day more than 2 days in a row, FLAG. On more than 30 hours in a week, flag. Repeat this behavior 2 weeks in a row FLAG. 5 or 6 flags and a GM comes along to investigate.
I've just pulled these numbers out of my butt but someone smarter than I with access to game statistics could put together a simple but effective algorithm.

The idea is to determine the reasonable amount of grinding a human can be expected to tolerate and investigate those who exceed this regularly. This reduces the impact of the bots on the economy by forcing them to behave more like human players. It's not a perfect fix, but it would help, and it may be the best we can hope for.

-- Phoenix

Zen Q
Posted - 2011.01.30 23:14:00 - [701]
 

Originally by: PhoenixofMT
I'll admit I don't know a great deal about software development


lol, understatement. Rolling Eyes

Miss President
Caldari
SOLARIS ASTERIUS
Posted - 2011.01.30 23:30:00 - [702]
 

Originally by: PhoenixofMT
stuff


CCP PR (public relations) at work??


Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.30 23:55:00 - [703]
 

Ahhh, the quafer thread is back. Go back to your station holes!!!

Also, "fed"

PhoenixofMT
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.31 00:21:00 - [704]
 

Originally by: Miss President
Originally by: PhoenixofMT
stuff


CCP PR (public relations) at work??




Nope, just my opinion.

-- Phoenix

Walmartt
Posted - 2011.01.31 02:19:00 - [705]
 

/signed

upheaval is good.

CCP, nuke the bots so the market will go nuts.

Priestess Natasha
Posted - 2011.01.31 02:20:00 - [706]
 

Edited by: Priestess Natasha on 31/01/2011 02:29:55
Warden is not foolproof. shadow.sys, a glider tool, hides glider inside a rootkit of sorts. To this day Blizzard has not been able to break it.

They shut down glider via a DCMA/Copyright suit and mostly won. However upon appeal, that I just read, looks like Glider will be up and running again after 2 years. Woot!

Eve's UI is the worst for enabling botting. Specifically the overview. I can sort it, position it, filter it. It's a scripters dream. The things I want will always be in exactly the same place, but better, is if there's nothing on my filtered overview, then I can just move on.

I know how one of the popular mining script works, it's a very simple pixel search type of deal. Again the overview is the bad seed here. R/Click menus, bookmark tabs, Overview, there's never any variance. Thus extremely simple to find the element you're looking for.

I don't claim to know how *some unnamed eve rattingbot* works, but if it's doing more than pixel scans, as in reading memory or injecting python directly to the client, then that's fixable in the very short term by some sort of wardenesque spyware. Short term until someone either breaks the warden type software, or they simply hide thier processes from it.

The overview is the main culprit for scripting things to shoot at. And local is the main culprit for giving a very certain unvarying event that the script can react to.


Regarding the "time based bans".
Once it's determined what the safe time levels are, there's nothing to stop a rotating roster of bots. If the safe time is 8 hours, fine..I'll run 3 bots. (I'm putting myself in a hardcore botters shoes here) Triple the number of accounts it takes to do it? They don't care, the income far exceeeds the lolPLEXprice.

Time based or activity based flags wont work.

BTW you can easily script a GM reply. That's been happening since EasyUO was state of the art.

Bhattran
Posted - 2011.01.31 03:45:00 - [707]
 

Originally by: Priestess Natasha
Edited by: Priestess Natasha on 31/01/2011 02:29:55
Warden is not foolproof. shadow.sys, a glider tool, hides glider inside a rootkit of sorts. To this day Blizzard has not been able to break it.

They shut down glider via a DCMA/Copyright suit and mostly won. However upon appeal, that I just read, looks like Glider will be up and running again after 2 years. Woot!

Eve's UI is the worst for enabling botting. Specifically the overview. I can sort it, position it, filter it. It's a scripters dream. The things I want will always be in exactly the same place, but better, is if there's nothing on my filtered overview, then I can just move on.

I know how one of the popular mining script works, it's a very simple pixel search type of deal. Again the overview is the bad seed here. R/Click menus, bookmark tabs, Overview, there's never any variance. Thus extremely simple to find the element you're looking for.

I don't claim to know how *some unnamed eve rattingbot* works, but if it's doing more than pixel scans, as in reading memory or injecting python directly to the client, then that's fixable in the very short term by some sort of wardenesque spyware. Short term until someone either breaks the warden type software, or they simply hide thier processes from it.

The overview is the main culprit for scripting things to shoot at. And local is the main culprit for giving a very certain unvarying event that the script can react to.


Regarding the "time based bans".
Once it's determined what the safe time levels are, there's nothing to stop a rotating roster of bots. If the safe time is 8 hours, fine..I'll run 3 bots. (I'm putting myself in a hardcore botters shoes here) Triple the number of accounts it takes to do it? They don't care, the income far exceeeds the lolPLEXprice.

Time based or activity based flags wont work.

BTW you can easily script a GM reply. That's been happening since EasyUO was state of the art.


Purely time based aren't a solution but they could be part of a pattern detection system to flag the ones you want to look further into, same with analyzing behavior, if a ship warps to safe(stops what it is doing) every time someone enters the system then sits there cloaked or docked etc for a set time every time that is a flag, you also note anyone it doesn't 'run' from. If a character logs in everyday at the same time for the same amount of time doing the same thing, that is a flag, if it never deviates from its activity (no browser, no email, no market, etc) that is a flag and so on. Nothing is 100% but there are many things that can be built upon to discover patterns that ultimately lead to more investigation or just an abundance of 'proof' even if circumstantial that something isn't quite right. At best the people flagged have no lives/jobs/responsibilities or at worst are bots/share accounts.

As far as getting by a GM convo I'm sure if there are standard can queries it is easy, might not be so easy if there were more interactive and creative conversations happening. Imagine asking the 'bot' to name their favorite animal, what color is it, what does it eat, I type "door, two, fox, boot, seven" and ask "what animal did I type", and so on. Of course playing the "I don't speak that language" act is an issue but that can also be another flag dependent upon the other flags.

Further tactics could be as GM I suspect you of being a bot, I alter your systems rack and swap your weapons/mining lasers with your lower rack or vice versa, if you were there you'd notice sooner or later, if not it would spend hours trying to cycle/uncycle the wrong things.

Certainly if the UI is problematic there is then a method to 'fight' them, even doing things like changing names of references in it, with proper Q/A could make reading from it more difficult and require more maintenance by botters.

Musashi IV
Posted - 2011.01.31 07:32:00 - [708]
 

Just by changing one menu item you knocked out a lot of macro users. If you randomized every menu everytime its opened you will kill all macros.

Eden Love
Posted - 2011.01.31 10:01:00 - [709]
 

Originally by: Musashi IV
Just by changing one menu item you knocked out a lot of macro users. If you randomized every menu everytime its opened you will kill all macros.


+1

This bot problem schould be attacked by honest player base much more. A thread wont make it at all.
How about a 1 day protest which could be expanded to 1 month without sub?
How about mass petition CCP? Above idea would be a big time success against botters!

What did CCP do against botters? Have they any idea?

Avila Cracko
Posted - 2011.01.31 15:46:00 - [710]
 

Originally by: Eden Love

This bot problem schould be attacked by honest player base much more.



signed


Originally by: Eden Love

What did CCP do against botters? Have they any idea?



well... nothing... thats The Problem... Sad

Senily
Posted - 2011.01.31 16:26:00 - [711]
 

Originally by: Bhattran
Purely time based aren't a solution but they could be part of a pattern detection system to flag the ones you want to look further into, same with analyzing behavior, if a ship warps to safe(stops what it is doing) every time someone enters the system then sits there cloaked or docked etc for a set time every time that is a flag, you also note anyone it doesn't 'run' from. If a character logs in everyday at the same time for the same amount of time doing the same thing, that is a flag, if it never deviates from its activity (no browser, no email, no market, etc) that is a flag and so on. Nothing is 100% but there are many things that can be built upon to discover patterns that ultimately lead to more investigation or just an abundance of 'proof' even if circumstantial that something isn't quite right. At best the people flagged have no lives/jobs/responsibilities or at worst are bots/share accounts.




Very laughable...

I log a certain Pilot in every day at exactly the same time, and perform exactly the same tasks, and warp to a safe spot if someone enters the system.
In fact, I do this with 3 pilots every day

It is called PI management

Oh, and it is because I DO have a Job and responsibilities that I do it this way lol.

Aylara
Posted - 2011.01.31 16:31:00 - [712]
 

How's the witch-hunt going? Tbh, I find the whole situation amusing, with so many people seeing bots everywhere. It is probably impossible right now to rat in neutral/hostile space, just to pi ss the other guys off, without being reported as a bot Laughing

Lady Isabell
Amarr
S.A.S
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2011.01.31 16:53:00 - [713]
 

Originally by: Musashi IV
Just by changing one menu item you knocked out a lot of macro users. If you randomized every menu everytime its opened you will kill all macros.


Randomizing menu items every time a menu is opened is a nice way to **** off a LOT of legitimate players. Look, we all agree that bots have to go, but ****ing over everyone is not the solution.

Bhattran
Posted - 2011.01.31 17:44:00 - [714]
 

Originally by: Senily
Originally by: Bhattran
Purely time based aren't a solution but they could be part of a pattern detection system to flag the ones you want to look further into, same with analyzing behavior, if a ship warps to safe(stops what it is doing) every time someone enters the system then sits there cloaked or docked etc for a set time every time that is a flag, you also note anyone it doesn't 'run' from. If a character logs in everyday at the same time for the same amount of time doing the same thing, that is a flag, if it never deviates from its activity (no browser, no email, no market, etc) that is a flag and so on. Nothing is 100% but there are many things that can be built upon to discover patterns that ultimately lead to more investigation or just an abundance of 'proof' even if circumstantial that something isn't quite right. At best the people flagged have no lives/jobs/responsibilities or at worst are bots/share accounts.




Very laughable...

I log a certain Pilot in every day at exactly the same time, and perform exactly the same tasks, and warp to a safe spot if someone enters the system.
In fact, I do this with 3 pilots every day

It is called PI management

Oh, and it is because I DO have a Job and responsibilities that I do it this way lol.



Stay with me, if you did it with machine accuracy every time day after day that would be a 'flag', one of many, priority going to those who spend hours doing repetitive activities. That could all be further streamlined to ratting/missioning (bounty activities) or mining (roids/belts) or focused on things like a 'trader' that makes market changes all day always updating orders that have become 'outdated' exactly after a set time.

A 'flag' is simply something used as an indicator, accumulation of several flags or meeting the requirements for a specific flag like being online for 12hrs a day every day, same time, same system, exact 'same' activity etc could be the kick to have GM investigate, through further study or the GM 'convo'/messing with your racks.

All flagging is supposed to do is offer a way to alleviate some of the burden that is pretty much on the players to report and detect 'bots' by spending our time looking for them. Why should I or any other player take on the mantle of doing CCP's job to fight botting when there are other ways for them to fight it, in this thread and others, not all are going to be effective and might not be feasible but the solution isn't to ignore it. CCP has the data or at least has access to it, this is a method to help them find possible bots, laughable is the apparent efforts of CCP and their attitude in regards to this issue.




Senily
Posted - 2011.01.31 18:54:00 - [715]
 

Originally by: Bhattran
Stay with me, if you did it with machine accuracy every time day after day that would be a 'flag', one of many, priority going to those who spend hours doing repetitive activities. That could all be further streamlined to ratting/missioning (bounty activities) or mining (roids/belts) or focused on things like a 'trader' that makes market changes all day always updating orders that have become 'outdated' exactly after a set time.

A 'flag' is simply something used as an indicator, accumulation of several flags or meeting the requirements for a specific flag like being online for 12hrs a day every day, same time, same system, exact 'same' activity etc could be the kick to have GM investigate, through further study or the GM 'convo'/messing with your racks.

All flagging is supposed to do is offer a way to alleviate some of the burden that is pretty much on the players to report and detect 'bots' by spending our time looking for them. Why should I or any other player take on the mantle of doing CCP's job to fight botting when there are other ways for them to fight it, in this thread and others, not all are going to be effective and might not be feasible but the solution isn't to ignore it. CCP has the data or at least has access to it, this is a method to help them find possible bots, laughable is the apparent efforts of CCP and their attitude in regards to this issue.






My turn.... stay with me.. in the year 2011, Automation software can get this.. randomize!!

Part of what I do as my job, is Automate tedious tasks for other people using computers.

Some of the code I use, incorporates Randomization.. Hmm, what a concept!

Honestly, I get a kick out of all the ideas people brew up in these over exagerated threads.

Yes, there are some very good ideas, but people need to realize just how sophisticated some of the new automation software really is, and how creating a challenge for the "Bot" authors only results in a higher cost to the person that purchases it.

Want to stop RMT and Bots? seriously? then remove the thing they cater to.

Make all Currency NO TRADE
Make all Items NO TRADE

As long as there is a free and open economy, free market, then, people are going to find ways to cheat, automate, bot, and all of the rest of the things that real life economies offers, that includes scamming and stealing.

PhoenixofMT
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.31 21:10:00 - [716]
 

First, I want to apologize for calling you all whiny *****es. My Irritation got the better of me. When I debate my opponent with personal remarks, he wins. /sigh

Now...

Originally by: Last few posters
Stuff...


Originally by: Senily
Originally by: Bhattran
Stuff...



My turn.... stay with me.. in the year 2011, Automation software can get this.. randomize!!

Part of what I do as my job, is Automate tedious tasks for other people using computers.

Some of the code I use, incorporates Randomization.. Hmm, what a concept!

Honestly, I get a kick out of all the ideas people brew up in these over exagerated threads.

Yes, there are some very good ideas, but people need to realize just how sophisticated some of the new automation software really is, and how creating a challenge for the "Bot" authors only results in a higher cost to the person that purchases it.

Want to stop RMT and Bots? seriously? then remove the thing they cater to.

Make all Currency NO TRADE
Make all Items NO TRADE

As long as there is a free and open economy, free market, then, people are going to find ways to cheat, automate, bot, and all of the rest of the things that real life economies offers, that includes scamming and stealing.



Senily,
The point of my suggestion is to reduce the effectiveness of the bot (i.e. its ability to mine/rat/whatever for extended periods) to be more in line with your style of play.

If the bots have to act more like real humans (i.e. get tired after 5 hours, can't do more than 1 23 hour marathon a month, have to leave the house for a few hours most days, etc.)
1. They will be closer to the letter, if not the spirit, of the EULA clause on macros.
2. Their impact on the economy will more closely match that of your above average miner.

The problem hasn't gone away, but it has been reduced in severity.

I suppose the response to this would be more accounts running bots to make up for it, but there has to be a break over point somewhere. At some point the number of bot accounts supported with PLEX has to become too expensive to be worth it. The sheer number of clients required for one person to remain profitable would be unrealistic?

Again, someone with better access to stats/more experience with play-for-free might be able to give better insight on this.

I'm glad I've managed to spark some proper discussion here. The last few posts have been a refreshing dose of rational thought as opposed to emotional rants.

Keep it up.

-- Phoenix

Bhattran
Posted - 2011.01.31 23:53:00 - [717]
 

Originally by: PhoenixofMT

Originally by: Last few posters
Stuff...


Originally by: Senily
Originally by: Bhattran
Stuff...



My turn.... stay with me.. in the year 2011, Automation software can get this.. randomize!!

Part of what I do as my job, is Automate tedious tasks for other people using computers.

Some of the code I use, incorporates Randomization.. Hmm, what a concept!

Honestly, I get a kick out of all the ideas people brew up in these over exagerated threads.

Yes, there are some very good ideas, but people need to realize just how sophisticated some of the new automation software really is, and how creating a challenge for the "Bot" authors only results in a higher cost to the person that purchases it.

Want to stop RMT and Bots? seriously? then remove the thing they cater to.

Make all Currency NO TRADE
Make all Items NO TRADE

As long as there is a free and open economy, free market, then, people are going to find ways to cheat, automate, bot, and all of the rest of the things that real life economies offers, that includes scamming and stealing.



Senily,
The point of my suggestion is to reduce the effectiveness of the bot (i.e. its ability to mine/rat/whatever for extended periods) to be more in line with your style of play.

If the bots have to act more like real humans (i.e. get tired after 5 hours, can't do more than 1 23 hour marathon a month, have to leave the house for a few hours most days, etc.)
1. They will be closer to the letter, if not the spirit, of the EULA clause on macros.
2. Their impact on the economy will more closely match that of your above average miner.

The problem hasn't gone away, but it has been reduced in severity.

I suppose the response to this would be more accounts running bots to make up for it, but there has to be a break over point somewhere. At some point the number of bot accounts supported with PLEX has to become too expensive to be worth it. The sheer number of clients required for one person to remain profitable would be unrealistic?

Again, someone with better access to stats/more experience with play-for-free might be able to give better insight on this.

I'm glad I've managed to spark some proper discussion here. The last few posts have been a refreshing dose of rational thought as opposed to emotional rants.

Keep it up.

-- Phoenix


Phoenix sums up part of the 'point' of fighting bots IMO, making them 'act' more like regular players so they don't get all the benefits of being able to play 'all the time' or at 'inhuman' rates, I'd add that they should also have to continually 'adapt' or update their programs so it isn't a one time 'cost/effort' to get it setup and go.

Yes Senily there can be randomization but it is an extra step, even if is a 'minor' one to add because it is yet another thing the botter/bot maker has to 'deal' with. To really make use of it in more than a handful of aspects the bots would become more like a 'normal' player and thusly reap less rewards. Simply shifting your 400million isk income or 2 billion m3 volume of ore sessions around during the day or week or month still can be looked at and made to toss a flag.

As far as removing the open market it is one of EVE's strengths and CCP likes the scamming/stealing aspects of gameplay it makes EVE what it is. I don't expect to ever have bots be 100% dead and that isn't the point IMO, I'm sure others may want that at any cost but not me, I want them actively 'fought' and made to keep updating/reworking their cheats rather than sitting back after doing it once or x times for each character/account.

I'd think another thing to combat botting, is making gameplay less susceptible to their use, more dynamic and interactive gameplay so it isn't so easy to script or boring you want to script it. While RMT is a part of the issue I am focusing on botting as it is here where CCP isn't really motivated as they already work against their competition for player's cash.


Severian Carnifex
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.02.01 10:57:00 - [718]
 

I cant believe that CCP just don't see this many topics about the same problem across the entire EVE forums...

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.02.01 11:13:00 - [719]
 

I can't believe that the players actually believe that CCP is doing nothing.

More to the point, I can't believe that players claim to see bots in operation, and don't take action against the bots themselves. Players require a far lower burden of proof to claim someone is a bot and unleash their righteous fury upon the evildoers.

Musashi IV
Posted - 2011.02.01 13:23:00 - [720]
 

Instead of these worthless expansions CCP should be doing something to get rid of Macro users!!


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