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Phasics
Imperium Technologies
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:37:00 - [1]
 

What if any effect do you think the following change would have on the market and on the indivudal player using the market (buyers, sellers, traders etc).

Change
Every time you modify an order on the market you pay brokerage again as if you had cancelled the order and set it up again.

Now modifying your order by 0.01 isk no longer costs you qty x 0.01 in isk it costs you that plus the original brokerage. So modifying your order multiple times is going to start adding up against the value of the order.

Jita Marketcheck
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:48:00 - [2]
 

would be nice

So Cash
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:51:00 - [3]
 

It would also probably eliminate 0.01isk bots a little too.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:56:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 05/12/2010 22:56:43
Originally by: So Cash
It would also probably eliminate 0.01isk bots a little too.


Nope, because that's not a bot. Some of us just have no life Cool

And no to op because that's how I make my isk.

Phasics
Imperium Technologies
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:57:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Phasics on 05/12/2010 23:06:10
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: So Cash
It would also probably eliminate 0.01isk bots a little too.


Nope, because that's not a bot. Some of us just have no life Cool

And no to op because that's how I make my isk.


assume such a change occured how would you deal with the change to still make isk trading.

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2010.12.05 23:08:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 05/12/2010 23:08:08


The question is why should the market be changed in this way? It seems to be doing just fine and provides active gameplay and competition to those who are willing to dedicate their time to it. Those who don't want to play that game don't have to and they can still sell their items just fine.

Phasics
Imperium Technologies
Posted - 2010.12.05 23:15:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 05/12/2010 23:08:08


The question is why should the market be changed in this way? It seems to be doing just fine and provides active gameplay and competition to those who are willing to dedicate their time to it. Those who don't want to play that game don't have to and they can still sell their items just fine.


So your assuming such a change would kill market trading ?

Drykor
Minmatar
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.12.05 23:17:00 - [8]
 

Don't fix what isn't broken. There's plenty of room for improvement in other area's.

Killstealing
Posted - 2010.12.05 23:22:00 - [9]
 

no .01 isk games just means there will be .1 or 1 isk games
which means massive fluctuation in min prices (and by proxy ship/everything else)

Lecherito
Posted - 2010.12.05 23:27:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Killstealing
no .01 isk games just means there will be .1 or 1 isk games
which means massive fluctuation in min prices (and by proxy ship/everything else)


My sources indicate that you are quite simply ******ed.

-L

Cash Equivalent
Posted - 2010.12.05 23:33:00 - [11]
 

I recently received a marketing email from CCP and one of the touted main features was a vibrant market that received over 3000 (or was it 30,000) updates per minute.

I imagine a change like you propose might put a bit of a dampener on this. In fact it would essentially put what we think of as the market on pause. Would more likely kill things dead.

I prefer lively enthusiastic competition.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.12.05 23:43:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Phasics
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
The question is why should the market be changed in this way? It seems to be doing just fine and provides active gameplay and competition to those who are willing to dedicate their time to it. Those who don't want to play that game don't have to and they can still sell their items just fine.
So your assuming such a change would kill market trading ?
No, he's just asking the obvious question: why should the market be changed in this way?

Hivsen Ng
Posted - 2010.12.05 23:53:00 - [13]
 

Only those who are determined will most likely achieve success.
It's the way of life since the beginning. Persevere and you will make it.

So generally, those who are determined to play the isk game every 5 minutes will make it big.

You're suggesting putting less effort for a greater gain.
You can see how it won't work.

Mrgwr
Posted - 2010.12.05 23:57:00 - [14]
 

It's called contract trading.

Aunty Nora
Posted - 2010.12.06 01:04:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Mrgwr
It's called contract trading.


No its not you ******.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.12.06 01:05:00 - [16]
 

the only way you get "used" by players who make it their game activity (and presumably enjoy it) is if you're greedy yourself.

If you aren't trying to take part of the bid ask spread for yourself you can either sell to the listed buy orders or you could just cut the spread in half an put your stuff up right in the middle ... and look to see that its close to the average sale price over the last week... some traders might .01 you from there but probably not in enough volume to keep your order from being filled in a couple days.

Also, players who trade regularly almost all have taken the time to train skills (accounting , broker relations) and grind corp and faction standing to get their broker fees far below non traders....the changes would cost them far less.


The richest, best capitalized traders are happy to have mutiple orders on either side of the market too (or at least often they will)...so they'd just put another order in (and they'd train up skills to have hunders of orders).

So, it wouldn't work.. it would hurt those you'd like to help, and really you really only get "hosed" if you're trying to have your cake and eat it to ... collecting the spread ..

AnakieNine
Posted - 2010.12.06 05:26:00 - [17]
 

After everyone trained up a few more basic trading alts. You would most likely see lots of single item orders from the same people over and over again. no more 0.01 war instead you would see orders wars with only 1 item in them.

No reason to move a 20 item order when you can just create another order on another alt in order to annoy a competitor.


Phasics
Imperium Technologies
Posted - 2010.12.06 05:49:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: AnakieNine
After everyone trained up a few more basic trading alts. You would most likely see lots of single item orders from the same people over and over again. no more 0.01 war instead you would see orders wars with only 1 item in them.

No reason to move a 20 item order when you can just create another order on another alt in order to annoy a competitor.




heh somehow I don't see a billion order of 1 tritanium happening

batch selling
500 units at 5isk
500 units at 4.95 isk
500 units at 4.87 isk

Would it not perhaps make people think a bit more about how much they really want to sell somthing for rather than just going in under the lowest bidder.

SiR3N
The One Upsmanship Club
Posted - 2010.12.06 05:50:00 - [19]
 

Your idea will get absorbed into sell prices and the .01 isk will continue.

It's not really a market when everyone sells generic items. You can't customize blue prints to have high quality, cheap quality or something never thought of. Nothing in the market can make your product stand out but easy access and price.


CCP Spitfire


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.06 07:02:00 - [20]
 

Moved from 'EVE General Discussion'.


Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Eclats de verre
Posted - 2010.12.06 07:51:00 - [21]
 

Maybe what you are really searching for is...

When you modify your order, the duration isn't set again to its original duration.
So, orders finally expire and brokers fees are paid again.

If you want to avoid the 0.01 isk bidding, maybe a minimum on broker's fees when changing an order woud be good?
But not a fixed amount, it would be crap, more something like there would always be 5% of original broker's fee paid again, then if you move price much, you don't pay more than now, but it you play the 0.01 isk, you pay 5% of original broker's fee.

But market is the thing that works best in eve, I'm not sure we need to nerf it.

Phasics
Imperium Technologies
Posted - 2010.12.07 07:57:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Eleana Tomelac
Maybe what you are really searching for is...

When you modify your order, the duration isn't set again to its original duration.
So, orders finally expire and brokers fees are paid again.

If you want to avoid the 0.01 isk bidding, maybe a minimum on broker's fees when changing an order woud be good?
But not a fixed amount, it would be crap, more something like there would always be 5% of original broker's fee paid again, then if you move price much, you don't pay more than now, but it you play the 0.01 isk, you pay 5% of original broker's fee.

But market is the thing that works best in eve, I'm not sure we need to nerf it.


Heh maybe instead a Future's market for the 0.01isk bidders and the regular market for people just looking to buy and sell ;)


 

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