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Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.12.05 21:48:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Julianus Soter on 05/12/2010 22:06:05
[FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE]

Effective immediately, the Synenose Accord has reset all standings and active relations with CONCORD entities and personnel. An embargo of all information sharing regarding the Sansha attacks, w-space, and the Sleeper and Talocan civilizations is now in effect for CONCORD and other affiliated organizations.

It is the judgment of the executive board of the Synenose Accord that CONCORD has been hopelessly compromised by Sansha intelligence actions, infiltration, and may be to some extent under Sansha influence. In view of this, the Synenose Accord found it necessary to terminate CONCORD's privileged access to SYNE databases, personnel, and leadership.

The Synenose Accord and our partners will continue to fight the Sansha in every system, at every planet, and on every moon. However, we will do so without profiting CONCORD or giving them information.

[END]

[ADDENDUM]

The Synenose Accord hereby ends formal cooperation with Operation Snowblind, and all CONCORD officers of that taskforce. Harah Joele, Haeldone Dorgiers, and Vieve Creston will be notified of this via standard channels.

[END]

Graelyn
Amarr
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2010.12.05 21:52:00 - [2]
 

Good.

Utterly useless the lot of them, always needing protection for the lone frigate (!) they send to defend entire worlds under attack.

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.12.05 21:54:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Borza Slavak on 05/12/2010 21:55:15
CONCORD maintain the status quo. They maintain slavery. We saw from the Elders' example years ago one way to deal with such corruption.

Let them burn in the fires they allow the Nation to light under them. We shall be ready.

Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2010.12.05 21:57:00 - [4]
 

Celestial Imperative alliance agrees wholeheartedly with the administration of SYNE and has made adjustments to its ROE to coincide with the pilots of SYNE.

I salute Mr. Soter in taking this bold but neeeded step.


Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:10:00 - [5]
 

So, we, the hated capsuleers (bar exceptions) are taking it upon ourselves, like the egomaniacs we are, to counter this "threat to humanity"?

Interesting.

The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:11:00 - [6]
 

Welcome news.

The Star Fraction has long regarded CONCORD as an impediment to effective capsuleer action against many threats. They certainly have been consistently holding to that pattern when it comes to the Sansha's Nation incursions.

The Cosmopolite

Koronakesh
Amarr
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:14:00 - [7]
 

No one else is, Seriphyn.

I shall also affirm my agreement with Mr. Airaken's sentiment here.

Tablaren
Knights of Kador
The Black Armada
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:15:00 - [8]
 

Good man Mr Soter.

A number of my pilots were flying with you in the defence of antem and spoke highly of your efforts to defend the innocent citizens homes.

Concord have been, and are a plague upon mankind. It is good to see you taking action and keeping information away from the enemies of humanity.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:40:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Koronakesh
No one else is, Seriphyn.

I shall also affirm my agreement with Mr. Airaken's sentiment here.


Maybe because this threat is smaller than we make it out to be?

Myxx
Atropos Group
Posted - 2010.12.05 22:49:00 - [10]
 

You finally see the light, Soter...

Good on you.

Wynteryth Fett
Posted - 2010.12.05 23:34:00 - [11]
 

Mr. Soter is the reason for the failure today. His ignoring of valuable intelligence allowed the Sansha ground units to easily assemble the uplinks in Anyed and Imya with relatively no resistance. The ground forces in Antem were defeated on Antem V thanks to the diligence of other Capsuleers who didn't ignore information.

Mr. Soter needs to accept responsibility for his actions instead of putting the blame on others as he was doing in the public chat.

Alveolus
Core Synthesis Unlimited
Posted - 2010.12.05 23:34:00 - [12]
 

A welcome announcement.

Dilaro thagriin
Posted - 2010.12.06 00:01:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Dilaro thagriin on 06/12/2010 00:01:42
I have responded to your bile spewing in another thread Wynteryth.

with TACNET down due to nation interference, what would you have had commander Soter do?

drop neon signs into orbit?

most ground troops do not have neocom access. all command data is supplied to ground troops directly through the TACNET HUD within their helm.

No TACNET = no new orders....

how would you have told people who could not see or hear you to change their standing orders?

Like all the commanders i have seen fly against nation, J Soter does an exemplary job, yet still you expect more from him.

You would expect him to co-ordinate fleets across 3 systems without the aid of the fleet command tools that TACNET provided?

no-one, nop HUMAN at least, could have done that... perhaps a nation slave could, but no human, or capsuleer, could have successfully performed this task.

((at least not without the aid of OOC knowledge, and OOG software. think about it..))

Unit XS365BT
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
Posted - 2010.12.06 02:05:00 - [14]
 

*$^[email protected]?; DATASTREAM CORRUPTED "Commander Dorgiers, contact me please, this is Captain Jan Ko" DATASTREAM RESTORED

Disregard previous transmission.
Signal corruption detected.
Apologies for any inconvenience.

We Return.

Cmdr Baxter
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
Posted - 2010.12.06 05:35:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Cmdr Baxter on 06/12/2010 05:35:34
The parties involved in this spat, over who's at fault for our failure today, need to accept that the defending forces failed and move on. Pointing fingers and trying to throw around blame is going to get us nowhere. That being said, I'd be interested in whatever intel can be forwarded to me on these planetside uplinks.

LTJG Samuel Baxter (ret.)
Communication and Coordination Officer
Synenose Accord

Anslo
Disciples of Night
Dominion of Darkness
Posted - 2010.12.06 05:36:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Cmdr Baxter
All parties involved need to accept that the defending forces failed, and move on. Pointing fingers and trying to throw around blame is going to get us nowhere. That being said, I'd be interested in whatever intel can be forwarded to me on these planetside uplinks.

LTJG Samuel Baxter (ret.)
Communication and Coordination Officer
Synenose Accord


I will message you Commander.

Ber Kan
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.06 08:43:00 - [17]
 

You. Are cutting your own tail off. And allowing yourself to bleed thin. Your mistake is noted by us, and we will see what happens next.

Enjoy your lack of ground troops...all 2.5 million....

Wedgetail
Posted - 2010.12.06 08:57:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Wedgetail on 06/12/2010 09:01:59
Personally, I see this as a gross over reaction CONCORD's responses on the feild may not be 'up to our standard or expectation' but nor have they hindered us or in any other discernable way or hampered our operation against nation forces.

CONCORD does what it was formed to do and always has, something I beleive no other organisation could have achieved given the amount of power an organisation in their role weilds, what we need now isn't an unfounded severing of ties but a strengthening of those we have left as our fight against nation has just become that much harder.

Hooch Flux
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.06 09:37:00 - [19]
 

I agree with Wedgetail. Now is a time to learn from our mistakes and find out where the comms (TACNET) breakdown occured.

Intel always has a chance of being "off" a little. With the failure of TACNET, commanders did not have the tools to adjust to the changing intel and fluid conditions of the battlefield quick enough.

Alienating CONCORD is probably not the best way to fix the problem.

Saying all that I can understand Soter's frustrations...


Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2010.12.06 10:00:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 06/12/2010 10:00:27
Where have I seen this one before - the people calling for unification being the first ones to cut ties to those who do not do it their way?

I swear, I have fallen into a wormhole and come out sometime around year 108.

Else

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.12.06 14:26:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Syn Callibri on 06/12/2010 14:30:25

Breaking away from (perhaps) the only "official" organization that sanctions the actions taken against Nation is a move that I might regard as...unwise, at the least. However, it is no suprise that this has come to pass. We will continue to stand with SYNE in battle.


Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2010.12.06 14:29:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Raze Valadeus on 06/12/2010 14:29:10
((Deleted because the previous post was corrected, sorry.))

Sinjin Mokk
Stillwater Corporation
Posted - 2010.12.06 18:40:00 - [23]
 

Strange how you choose to withdraw about the same time as the Federation Navy sends us an official announcement.

Is this where I get to say, "I told you so?"



Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.06 18:44:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Borza Slavak
CONCORD maintain the status quo. They maintain slavery.


yes they do. Because it is not for them to dictate what the status quo should be.

If you're angry about slavery be angry at the slavers, not at the people who stop them from taking more Minmatar.

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.12.06 20:45:00 - [25]
 

Omune Balenne, a Federation Navy officer of unknown rank or standing, transmits an after-action report based on Federal Intelligence Office information remotely gathered regarding a Sansha incursion in the Genesis Region, Amarr Empire. A report which contains no useful information, whatsoever, and only reinforces doubts about CONCORD's competency.

The Synenose Accord and Moira. Corporation cannot operate upon faith regarding operational security. CONCORD is compromised, and sharing any information whatsoever with CONCORD officers will only empower the enemy, by informing them of our efforts to destroy Kuvakei and his forces.


Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.12.06 20:53:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Stitcher
Originally by: Borza Slavak
CONCORD maintain the status quo. They maintain slavery.


yes they do. Because it is not for them to dictate what the status quo should be.



... my point exactly

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.06 21:37:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Stitcher on 06/12/2010 21:38:31
which is why they haven't. The status quo they protect is decided by the four empires. CONCORD are just the... the vault door if you like. Nobody blames the vault if somebody stores something illegal inside it.

The Elder attack on Yulai was the only way they could complete their objective. They blew the vault door open to raid the vault's contents.

What you're doing is calling the door evil for what lies behind it. Which doesn't make sense.

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.12.06 21:41:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Stitcher
Edited by: Stitcher on 06/12/2010 21:38:31
which is why they haven't. The status quo they protect is decided by the four empires. CONCORD are just the... the vault door if you like. Nobody blames the vault if somebody stores something illegal inside it.

The Elder attack on Yulai was the only way they could complete their objective. They blew the vault door open to raid the vault's contents.

What you're doing is calling the door evil for what lies behind it. Which doesn't make sense.


I called nothing evil. Using your analogy I simply wish that the vault door be permanently blasted off.

Wynteryth Fett
Posted - 2010.12.06 22:16:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Dilaro thagriin
Edited by: Dilaro thagriin on 06/12/2010 00:01:42
I have responded to your bile spewing in another thread Wynteryth.

with TACNET down due to nation interference, what would you have had commander Soter do?


Tacnet wasn't down.. It was working just fine.. How do you think the people on Antem V were able to defeat the Sansha there?

Originally by: Dilaro thagriin
drop neon signs into orbit?

most ground troops do not have neocom access. all command data is supplied to ground troops directly through the TACNET HUD within their helm.

No TACNET = no new orders....


TACNET was working just fine.. How else was the FCORD fleet getting scouting reports, regularly, from their scouts in both Anyed and Antem?


Originally by: Dilaro thagriin
how would you have told people who could not see or hear you to change their standing orders?

Like all the commanders i have seen fly against nation, J Soter does an exemplary job, yet still you expect more from him.

You would expect him to co-ordinate fleets across 3 systems without the aid of the fleet command tools that TACNET provided?

no-one, nop HUMAN at least, could have done that... perhaps a nation slave could, but no human, or capsuleer, could have successfully performed this task.

((at least not without the aid of OOC knowledge, and OOG software. think about it..))


TACNET wasn't down. You're claims are baseless.

Defending against the Sansha isn't just about what you do during the attack. It's also what you do PRIOR to the attack. And, quite honestly, the fact that valuable tactical information was ignored by Soter is proof that he failed. Any good leader would have owned up to that instead of making up lame accusations of Concord infiltration when he's got nothing to support his claims. He has NO PROOF whatsoever that CONCORD and Agent Muar are compromised, yet that's his excuse for the failures..

BTW, before you claim someone is "bile spewing" you might want to have your facts in order so you don't sound foolish.

Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERWHERE
Posted - 2010.12.06 23:17:00 - [30]
 

Should Sansha's efforts truly be something worth concern, and I am still entirely unconvinced the threat to the inhabitants of empire space is greater than that of the empires theirselves. themselves. the. wait a minute. Stop recording. Erase that. Select all. Oh this damned thing. New line. New paragraph? I don't have time for this right now! Anyways, what was I saying. Oh, yeah. If this all proves to be a real threat it is best to keep forces divided lest we all go the wrong direction together. That was terrible. Cancel. Delete draft. Delete. Yes. No. No, don't submit. Yes. No, wait!


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