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Sig Sour
Posted - 2010.12.03 06:06:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Jenny Jihad
How many times did that Falcon pilot kill you?



I'm guessing 1 time. He probably is still trying to figure out how to earn enough isk to buy a new vexor. But instead of moving along, he wants to make a big stink about ECM. If CCP changed the rules of the game for him, nutes would be next, then sensor damps, then webs. This guy is a perfect candidate to buy a character that can fly a SC, buy and SC and fly it till it dies, then rage quit when it does. He cant tolerate entry level PVP.

frog, if you don't like being trolled, don't spam the same threads over and over. You ask for it.

William Cooly
Sol Enterprises
Posted - 2010.12.03 06:13:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: William Cooly on 03/12/2010 06:13:55
Originally by: Sig Sour
BECAUSE OF VEXOR


Vexor KM was a fake made because he was making so many threads.

Try searching for posts linking to it (one of them my own), guarantee you first one that comes up will be the one who faked it.

If he makes a thread past this one, I myself will personally join in the mob that will flame him down.

Until then, lay off.

lolyou
Posted - 2010.12.03 06:14:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: William Cooly
Originally by: Sig Sour
BECAUSE OF VEXOR


Vexor KM was a fake made because he was making so many threads.

Try searching for posts linking to it (one of them my own), guarantee you first one that comes up will be the one who faked it.



you and frog0out are clearly the same person. Stop talking to/about yourself it's wierd.

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.03 06:27:00 - [34]
 

Ignoring the trolls, I'm currently looking at the following fit on an alt. No missile velocity bonus is kind of annoying, but the range *should* be enough to destroy falcons and blackbirds, except for the really careful ones, although would probably need all 5's in the missile range skills.

[Drake, New Setup 2]
F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Information Warfare Link - Sensor Integrity



Warrior II x5



111 Sensor Strength with LG Talons and the Information Mindlink. 355 DPS (without drones, 435 with) out to 80km or so. It's also got 61k EHP too so it definately doesn't lack on the tank department. Pretty simply to use too, lock and press f1. Also helps me out quite a bit with a solid tank and DPS while not killing ECM ships. Jammed Chance is 38% if a falcon hit it with all it's jammers, 2x grav, ladar, radar, mag, and 1 multispec. So definately decent.

I'll probably be rolling with this then. Thanks for the solid idea misanthra.

William Cooly
Sol Enterprises
Posted - 2010.12.03 06:28:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: lolyou
Crazies be crazy


Suspicions expected.
But wrong all the same.
I think the literary term for what I'm doing here is "playing the Devil's Advocate".
That or I'm just whiteknighting because someone managed to learn something and is actually making a legit thread, only to be lolflamed by some of the less imaginative troll alts out there.

Tellenta
Gallente
versic LLC
Posted - 2010.12.03 06:53:00 - [36]
 

projected eccm, wtf else are you going to use if your alt is supposed to support your main? Kittens?

Lillith Starfire
Posted - 2010.12.03 07:03:00 - [37]
 

zomg! ECCM is so overpowered! It is stopping the ECM!

C'mon, you know you want to... ;)

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.03 07:03:00 - [38]
 

Projected ECCM is fine, however, it has quite a small range (24km optimal), and the projected ECCM ship itself is subject to jamming. It's hard to get a decent amount of projected ECCM and Sensor Strength on a single ship, while still having a decent tank and being simple to use. It runs the risk of failure cascading if the ECCM ship gets jammed, since then my main gets jammed, and I have both ships in trouble.

This is the best I could come up with.

[Scorpion, New Setup 1]
Damage Control II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Phased Muon ECCM Caster I
Phased Muon ECCM Caster I
Phased Muon ECCM Caster I
Phased Muon ECCM Caster I
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets

Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo
Siege Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Torpedo
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Medium Energy Neutralizer II

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Ogre II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1

173 Sensor Strength with LG talons, 4 Projected ECCMs, 91k EHP, 483 DPS. Looks fairly decent, although it's a lot more expensive than the Drake, Trimarks are costly, and without them the Drake is probably better. I'm leaning more towards the Drake because it's not as expected to be a ECM counter, and is much cheaper. But definitely a solid idea.

Buga Buga
ROMANIA Renegades
ROMANIAN-LEGION
Posted - 2010.12.03 07:56:00 - [39]
 

So instead of buying an expensive dedicated ECCM ship you're gonna buy several drakes and whatnot right? Did you do the math?

lolyou
Posted - 2010.12.03 08:10:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: William Cooly
Originally by: lolyou
Crazies be crazy


Suspicions expected.
But wrong all the same.
I think the literary term for what I'm doing here is "playing the Devil's Advocate".
That or I'm just whiteknighting because someone managed to learn something and is actually making a legit thread, only to be lolflamed by some of the less imaginative troll alts out there.



I don't think so chief. I think your corp needs a good cleansing to caste the demons out of you for all eternity by the righteous hand of god almighty. Brought to the vaste abyss of eve in the form of holy fury a mighty falcon fleet made out of pure jesus and pure almighty.

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.03 08:15:00 - [41]
 

I did, and as mentioned above, I think the Drake is probably easier to use: "lock, press f1", it has more applicable DPS, and it is a lot cheaper, as well as being a lot more handy when the ECM doesn't show up. When it *does* get jammed, and it will at one point, given the chance based nature of ECM, the Drake can load F.o.F missiles, and the ganglink helps my mains ship regardless of it being jammed or not, it also is easier as I don't have to worry about my alt ship not going further than 24km from my main, it's faster, more agile, way less likely to die to a random camp, if the Scorpion gets jammed, I have to relock my main, reapply ECCM, Scorpion has pretty appalling scan resolution, so my main is going to be jammed two cycles while the scorpion is jammed, and its much more effort dual boxing to reapply the eccm each time i get jammed, and reapply dps, as opposed to just having the reapply DPS.

The Scorpion definitely is solid though. Don't get me wrong, and if I don't worry about it doing DPS I can get in it, in less than a fortnight! Thats fantastic.

I really don't understand why almost everyone here seems to have a stick up their ass when it comes to this subject, the trolling, flaming and personal attacks are way out of hand. Calling me an idiot because I've decided to go for one counter over another is pathetic, especially when I debated them both.


TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2010.12.03 09:09:00 - [42]
 

Pick a t1 cruiser with as many mids and lows as possible.

Fit mwd and lots of remote eccm, armour tank in lows.

Roam around and bring in the ECCM backup if needed. Worse case you lose a t1 insured cruiser which distracts your enemy.

Rian O'Shea
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.03 09:15:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Rian O''Shea on 03/12/2010 09:49:02
Originally by: William Cooly
Originally by: lolyou
Crazies be crazy


Suspicions expected.
But wrong all the same.
I think the literary term for what I'm doing here is "playing the Devil's Advocate".
That or I'm just whiteknighting because someone managed to learn something and is actually making a legit thread, only to be lolflamed by some of the less imaginative troll alts out there.


Exact reason why I, in this thread, gave a decent answer whereas in his older threads I wasn't so constructive.

That Drake fit certainly has merit but missile and locking range are limited. As Stated earlier, most Falcons sit at 50-70km but sometimes they sit further out. You don't want to be out ranged in your light tanked (because of ECCM) ship. Targeting range can easily be added with a rig, missile range as well but that's why I chose a cheap Caracal; it has that range.

To the "lulz fit RSD" ****** ego poster; DO explain to me how a Vexor is going to target something at 70-90 km and then successfully RSD it. You lack the targeting range and RSD range to make that happen, other than completely messing up the fit and make it into something silly.

Billy Hunt
Caldari
testicular Fortitude
Posted - 2010.12.03 10:17:00 - [44]
 

FOF missiles.


That is all you need.YARRRR!!

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2010.12.03 10:19:00 - [45]
 

Wrong forum again numbnuts.

Plus you'll never counter my 'over 9000' Falcon alts. Twisted Evil

Templar Dane
Amarr
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2010.12.03 10:48:00 - [46]
 

The best alt to counter a falcon....................................................................................................................................................................................is a falcon alt.

Hells Missionary
Posted - 2010.12.03 11:20:00 - [47]
 

The best alt to counter ECM is a falcon alt

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.12.03 12:18:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: Jenny Jihad
How many times did that Falcon pilot kill you?

I'm guessing 1 time.
Not even that. He got jammed by four of them (iirc) and actually killed by a Rupture, a Vaga and a Megathron.

So yeah, not being jammed would have really saved him. Razz

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.03 12:27:00 - [49]
 

Drones, ECCM, FoF Missiles.

It's not rocket science, people.

Derelicht
Posted - 2010.12.03 12:29:00 - [50]
 

There's a guy on eve-board with over 8m in Electronics-related skills, so it's prolly him.

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.03 12:45:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
Drones, ECCM, FoF Missiles.

It's not rocket science, people.


Whoooooooooooooooshhhhhhhhhhhh, that's the sound of the OP flying right over your head. I know what the counters to ECM are, this is a thread so I can understand and use the *BEST* counter on an alternative account. It's astonishing how few people actually read the thread title and just post Generic Response #22 as soon as they see the word "ECM".

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: Jenny Jihad
How many times did that Falcon pilot kill you?

I'm guessing 1 time.
Not even that. He got jammed by four of them (iirc) and actually killed by a Rupture, a Vaga and a Megathron.

So yeah, not being jammed would have really saved him. Razz


That mail was Fake. It has been pointed out several times, both in this thread and overs. Someone posted a fake mail because they didn't like me posting about ECM. I'd like you to stop posting in my thread if all you're going to do is troll and flame.

Originally by: TimMc
Pick a t1 cruiser with as many mids and lows as possible.

Fit mwd and lots of remote eccm, armour tank in lows.

Roam around and bring in the ECCM backup if needed. Worse case you lose a t1 insured cruiser which distracts your enemy.


I don't think works quite as well as I am looking for, the Remote ECCM ship if it has no ECCM of it's own will simply get jammed, then my main gets jammed. It's hard to get a sufficient tank on a cruiser along with a decent sensor strength and remote ECCM. I'll just use the Caracal fit posted earlier in this thread if I want to roll cheap.

Originally by: Billy Hunt
FOF missiles.


That is all you need.YARRRR!!


While Handy, I can't use f.o.f missiles on my main, and relying solely on f.o.f missiles isn't going to work. I need to be able to lock to scram stuff, and the ECM ship is often the furthest ship away from you. They are handy on the alt however, as mentioned.

Noemie
Caldari
Aura of Darkness
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.12.03 13:51:00 - [52]
 

I applaud your desire and will contribute in a small way

The closest I can relate to your experience in-game is by the mission "The Assault" where in the second stage, you get perma-jammed by the nasties and makes it bloody difficult to finish QUICKLY

For this I load the Raven with warded Grav bkup cluster, and take along a bask with a phased Muon Caster 1. Puts the grav strength up over 90 and jamming is no longer a problem.

It may not directly help - but think outside the box - or maybe dual-box ftw

Nuniki
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.12.03 14:15:00 - [53]
 

Don't know what the deal is. Most the time when we run across a falcon they are either subffective (we fit eccm) or only good for barely escaping with their own life (and leaving their buddies to burn). Granted, if you're stupid and assume that PSH, YOU'LL NEVER RUN INTO A FALCON/ROOK/BB -- yeah, you're going to get jammed a lot.

That or this is a complaint based on solo pvp. derp

Nuniki
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.12.03 14:20:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: William Cooly
Originally by: William Cooly
Do not disappoint me, frog0ut.


Also, same to you, eve forums.

Yes, I'm looking at you, person intending to troll OP for first non-whine thread about ECM he's made.

Actually just asking for a viable counter now, hlysht, let's all troll him.

All of you ignorant excuses for humans, get out.


Viable counter. Fit eccm. Substantially reduce the effectiveness of a ships (falcon/rook/bb) main (99%) role. Instead of tossing one, maybe two at you and hitting a jam the falcon will have to drop 4-5, maybe all they have. So instead of getting off 3-4 jams a cycle he gets off 1, maybe 2 if he's lucky.

A single mod that drastically reduces the effectiveness of an extremely niche role. Man, THAT would be overpowered.

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.03 14:35:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Nuniki
Don't know what the deal is. Most the time when we run across a falcon they are either subffective (we fit eccm) or only good for barely escaping with their own life (and leaving their buddies to burn). Granted, if you're stupid and assume that PSH, YOU'LL NEVER RUN INTO A FALCON/ROOK/BB -- yeah, you're going to get jammed a lot.

That or this is a complaint based on solo pvp. derp


It's not a complaint, I'm just trying to find the most effective anti-ECM ship to assist my main ship. Unfortunately most people do not even read the OP and just post generic trash.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.03 14:38:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Black Dranzer on 03/12/2010 14:39:54
Originally by: frog0ut
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Drones, ECCM, FoF Missiles.

It's not rocket science, people.


Whoooooooooooooooshhhhhhhhhhhh, that's the sound of the OP flying right over your head. I know what the counters to ECM are, this is a thread so I can understand and use the *BEST* counter on an alternative account. It's astonishing how few people actually read the thread title and just post Generic Response #22 as soon as they see the word "ECM".

To be fair, the thing that made me glaze over the OP was "frog0ut", not "ECM". Besides, you want to know what ship to fly? There you go. Either a drone boat or a missile boat.

Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.12.03 14:39:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: frog0ut


[Drake, New Setup 2]
F85 Peripheral Damage System I
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Beta Reactor Control: Reaction Control I

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Information Warfare Link - Sensor Integrity



Warrior II x5



~Now you just have to figure out, how to get near them. lol

Quote:
I think you would be best to not keep posting trolling replies and personal attacks in every thread I make. If you continue, I will report you for harrassment and trolling. Consider yourself warned. You seem pretty upset that people are trying to adapt to ECM, Seems like someone doesn't want his win button countered.



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frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.03 14:42:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Brian Ballsack

~Now you just have to figure out, how to get near them. lol



It has 80km range, and a microwarpdrive, and any falcon or blackbird operating further than that range is operating in falloff so their jammers will be less effective. I had already gone over this however, and the lack of missile velocity bonus definately can be a problem.

Care to post some constructive advice? Or are you just here to troll and post one liners like the rest of these morons?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.12.03 14:44:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: frog0ut
I'm just trying to find the most effective anti-ECM ship to assist my main ship.
Nyx.

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.03 14:46:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer

To be fair, the thing that made me glaze over the OP was "frog0ut", not "ECM". Besides, you want to know what ship to fly? There you go. Either a drone boat or a missile boat.


So basically, after admitting you didn't read the thread, and claiming it's because I posted it (a personal jab), you then decided to still not read the thread, and posted the same exact generic response. If you had even read the thread you would know I was already considering those. If your advice amounts to "lololol fit eccm bro" and aren't going to bother to read the thread, then please do not post in my thread.


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