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Master Gotama
Posted - 2010.12.01 19:12:00 - [1]
 

This looks pretty fracking cool...

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.12.01 19:34:00 - [2]
 

You know the best way to stop insurgents?

Leave.

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.12.01 19:37:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Professor Tarantula
You know the best way to stop insurgents?

Leave.

Yes **** the **** out of the country and then abandon it, that's solid foreign policy right there.

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2010.12.01 19:43:00 - [4]
 

I would like a XM-25 for crimbo. The ability to fire a shell that explodes like a grenade ahead of its target is new. But urban warfare will always be an intensive, slow and nervous business. Having to clear every building and room in turn.

Brujo Loco
Amarr
Brujeria Teologica
Posted - 2010.12.01 19:51:00 - [5]
 

XM25 Video ...

Tho I ask myself the same question, what if it falls into the wrong hands? How long till China or Iran get a working copy of their own? It will really change the future of warfare.

Commander Criton
Posted - 2010.12.01 19:59:00 - [6]
 

These things cost huge amounts of money to develop and even more to produce and end up not being practical to use so in the end it becomes a US Army PR show. Do they really need to be spending money on this sort of thing in this economy.

H3llHound
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2010.12.01 20:07:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: So Sensational
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
You know the best way to stop insurgents?

Leave.

Yes **** the **** out of the country and then abandon it, that's solid foreign policy right there.


Hasnt that been the US foreign policy for the last 60years?

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.01 20:28:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 01/12/2010 20:29:32
Originally by: Master Gotama
This looks pretty fracking cool...



Because killing even more civilians is cool?

Originally by: H3llHound
Originally by: So Sensational
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
You know the best way to stop insurgents?

Leave.

Yes **** the **** out of the country and then abandon it, that's solid foreign policy right there.


Hasnt that been the US foreign policy for the last 60years?


No, US foreign policy is to **** up all the small countries and rob them blind for their resources and blame the commies.

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.01 20:32:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Brujo Loco
XM25 Video ...

Tho I ask myself the same question, what if it falls into the wrong hands? How long till China or Iran get a working copy of their own? It will really change the future of warfare.


Warfare changed when the missile was invented, so don't go thinking a little gun will change anything.

You can have as many guns as you like, it won't matter when they drop a nuke on you or bomb you halfway around the world with artillery and "V2's".

ceaon
Posted - 2010.12.01 20:40:00 - [10]
 

real man use nukes

just saying

Master Gotama
Posted - 2010.12.01 20:42:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 01/12/2010 20:29:32
Originally by: Master Gotama
This looks pretty fracking cool...



Because killing even more civilians is cool?


someone needs to work on their reading comprehension Rolling Eyes. the point of the article is that it will reduce civilian casualties caused by inaccurate ordinances currently being used.

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.12.01 20:44:00 - [12]
 

An insurgent is a civilian who wants you to leave.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.01 20:45:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Sidus Isaacs

No, US foreign policy is to **** up all the small countries and rob them blind for their resources and blame the commies.


Yeah! let China do it, they're nice guys.

Master Gotama
Posted - 2010.12.01 20:48:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Brujo Loco
XM25 Video ...

Tho I ask myself the same question, what if it falls into the wrong hands? How long till China or Iran get a working copy of their own? It will really change the future of warfare.


i think we have a little time before we have to worry about that. i mean, iran is still working on a nuke, which we accomplished in the 1940's. china may be a little closer, but their still a couple of decades behind us, technologically speaking.

i'm more interested in seeing what russian weapons experts will develop to counter this. my guess is that whatever it is, it'll cost less than $25.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.12.01 21:04:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 01/12/2010 21:08:04
Originally by: Brujo Loco
XM25 Video ...
Tho I ask myself the same question, what if it falls into the wrong hands? How long till China or Iran get a working copy of their own? It will really change the future of warfare.

Let me tell you a little secret... once somebody sees something done as far as military technology goes, somebody else will be doing it soon enough even without getting their hands on a working sample. The mere fact it already exists proves that it's doable, funding is much more easily secured, and so on and so forth. If it's not just effective, but also cost-effective... it WILL be done, re-done and enhanced to hell and back by everybody, in a nice little circle of "stealing the other guy's idea".
So... I'm guessing... what, 5 years, tops ? Twisted Evil
Originally by: Master Gotama
i'm more interested in seeing what russian weapons experts will develop to counter this. my guess is that whatever it is, it'll cost less than $25.

Directed micro EMP to fry the built-in smart munition electronics ? Projected electromagnetic field to confuse the timers making it detonate earlier ? Dunno...

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2010.12.01 21:11:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Destination SkillQueue on 01/12/2010 21:11:53
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs

No, US foreign policy is to **** up all the small countries and rob them blind for their resources and blame the commies.


Yeah! let China do it, they're nice guys.


At least the chinese skip the ****ing things up part and just stick to robbing the resources. You can hate commies all you like, but I'll bet most of those small countries see dealing with communist China as the more preferable option compared to getting their country blown up or occupied by freedom loving liberal democracies.

Also, IBTL/IBTM.

Master Gotama
Posted - 2010.12.01 21:17:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
...but I'll bet most of those small countries see dealing with communist China....


dude, not sure where you've been for the last ten years, but china is no longer a communist country. capitalism and communism are mutually exclusive economic systems.

Tora Nevaal
Posted - 2010.12.01 21:58:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Tora Nevaal on 01/12/2010 22:13:42
"Game changer" just sounds like more political rhetoric for spending thousands of dollars per bullet to kill a bunch of goat herders kicking our asses with 50 year old guns.

"high-powered technology does so much of the work". Yeah, and when the M-16 was first released it was lauded as being self-cleaning, we saw how well that worked out. It is still renowned as one of the most jam prone guns ever manufactured. Technology just means more crap that can break at worst possible time.

Interesting side note since you've mentioned collateral damage. the U.S. military stopped using the MK-81 250lb bomb because it's destructive power to price ratio wasn't cost effective. Apparently in the long run it's easier to just drop a 1000lb's of high explosive on a mud hut.

Carpet bombing for peace.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.01 22:13:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Professor Tarantula
You know the best way to stop insurgents?

Leave.


Wrong, best way is to kill them all and then their wives so they can't make any more and then their children so they can't become more ugh

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2010.12.01 22:14:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Master Gotama
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
...but I'll bet most of those small countries see dealing with communist China....


dude, not sure where you've been for the last ten years, but china is no longer a communist country. capitalism and communism are mutually exclusive economic systems.


China went big with commie/indy and then rapidly converted to theocracy/tech/reseller or TTR for short, they're going to finish top 10 easily.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.01 22:18:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Destination SkillQueue

Originally by: Adunh Slavy

Yeah! let China do it, they're nice guys.



At least the chinese skip the ****ing things up part and just stick to robbing the resources. You can hate commies all you like, but I'll bet most of those small countries see dealing with communist China as the more preferable option compared to getting their country blown up or occupied by freedom loving liberal democracies.

Also, IBTL/IBTM.


I agree somewhat, the US should retreat from many areas. I'm sure many small countries would prefer that neither China or the US was involved in their internal affairs. But they are, and such influences of the powerful over the less powerful have been going on since two cave men ganged up on one cave man.

If the US retreats, that will create an influence vacuum and someone else will fill that space with something else. Right now that rising power is China, with India and Russia coming up fast.

I suspect it is better that the main influence right now is a system that has a more or less free press and has a tradition of democracy than systems with traditions of suppression and authoritarianism.

Is it better to have a system you, as an individual can influence, or one that would shoot us in the head for even having this conversation?

Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.01 22:27:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Master Gotama
capitalism and communism are mutually exclusive, economic, philosophical, utopian, systems.


fyp

Neither of which are feasible in a system that involves mass numbers of humans.


Slade

Izzy Lizzy
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.12.01 22:30:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Akita T
The mere fact it already exists proves that it's doable...


Now that's deep!

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.01 22:54:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Master Gotama
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 01/12/2010 20:29:32
Originally by: Master Gotama
This looks pretty fracking cool...



Because killing even more civilians is cool?


someone needs to work on their reading comprehension Rolling Eyes. the point of the article is that it will reduce civilian casualties caused by inaccurate ordinances currently being used.



Get real, current soldier based weapons are very accurate, its the guy using it thats the problem.

Master Gotama
Posted - 2010.12.01 23:20:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Originally by: Master Gotama
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 01/12/2010 20:29:32
Originally by: Master Gotama
This looks pretty fracking cool...



Because killing even more civilians is cool?


someone needs to work on their reading comprehension Rolling Eyes. the point of the article is that it will reduce civilian casualties caused by inaccurate ordinances currently being used.



Get real, current soldier based weapons are very accurate, its the guy using it thats the problem.

you should totally move to Peshewar and let me know how great it is living under "civilian" rule. my guess is you'd be begging for some of those "problem guys" to come and save your arse the minute you removed your head from your rear.

Citizen20100211442
Minmatar
Carebear Evolution
AEQUITAS.
Posted - 2010.12.01 23:35:00 - [26]
 

Too expensive, so this wouldnt happen. US soldier life is worth less (unnoficialy according to government , like it was with armor dragonskin)

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.02 04:33:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Citizen20100211442
Too expensive, so this wouldnt happen. US soldier life is worth less (unnoficialy according to government , like it was with armor dragonskin)


Dragonskin has 1 very fatal flaw... at high temperature (like in the desert) the armor scales spread apart allowing for rounds to pass between them, that's the reason it was passed over. It's an inferior armor system.

$25-30k isn't actually that much, it costs about $50k to basically train 1 US Marine (I'm sure soldiers are trained cheaper, but they not as good as us Wink). Plus the life insurance on 1 Marine/soldier is $500K so the government actually does try to keep it's troops alive.




w0rmy
Destructive Influence
Posted - 2010.12.02 06:59:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: w0rmy on 02/12/2010 06:58:59
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs

No, US foreign policy is to **** up all the small countries and rob them blind for their resources and blame the commies.


Yeah! let China do it, they're nice guys.


At least the chinese tell you theyre ****ing you while they **** you.

The US try tell you theyre ****ing you for your benefit.


Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.12.02 07:32:00 - [29]
 

This will, like everything else the US has done, end up intended for those pesky Americans who refuse to bend the knee to Sotero the Savior (aka Obama) nor pump their fist nightly to the rantings of the O'Hannitybeckbough leviathan.

You know, those people who will tell you that both parties work for the same banksters.

I do hope the military purchases a lot of these guns. With a price tag like that, the cost will bring leviathan down faster. The more tyranny costs, the easier it is to take down - it there is any work to do after the financial collapse. Worked on the soviet union.

The upside is that there will be plenty of nice toys like this to play with and use on whatever forces that the outside concerns try to pay to turn what's left of the US into another Bosnia.


Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.02 07:33:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: w0rmy
Edited by: w0rmy on 02/12/2010 06:58:59
Originally by: Adunh Slavy

Yeah! let China do it, they're nice guys.


At least the chinese tell you theyre ****ing you while they **** you.

The US try tell you theyre ****ing you for your benefit.



Uh huh, maybe cause one cares and the other doesn't.


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