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Claska
Amarr
The 8th Tribe Seraphim
Dragoons.
Posted - 2010.11.29 12:01:00 - [1]
 

About concord, won't they attack sansha during an incursion? i realise there only for capsuleers but arn't true slaves capsuleers as well? Sansha ones yes but capsuleers all the same? if concord don't help out then isn't that imersion breaking, and a breach of concord contract and rules? From the stories perspececitve, what's stoping concord from acting, has it been said?

Buga Buga
ROMANIA Renegades
ROMANIAN-LEGION
Posted - 2010.11.29 12:15:00 - [2]
 

Concord was bribed, read the stories.

Fulkurth
Posted - 2010.11.29 12:16:00 - [3]
 

Sansha and Concord go to the same book club, to stop there being any friction within said book club they've decided not to war each other, EVER, and thus concord has relied upon capsuleers to stop the spread of Sansha.

As to a real reason - I have no idea. I want to say it's because Concord are too weak for Sansha (but I've seen them insta pop some capsuleers before and well, it would only take a few of those guys to deal with Sansha and we wouldn't even know about it). The only thing I can suggest is numbers, perhaps concord are stretched too thin covering all of high sec and couldn't defeat Sansha and keep high sec covered at the same time. Maybe it's political? If Concord are seen to help out a specific faction against Sansha incursion it could be called favouritism and see some instability between concord and faction nations?

Or it could just be they're too lazy. Who knows, there is probably a reason written somewhere lol

Jennifer Starling
Amarr
Posted - 2010.11.29 12:17:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Buga Buga
Concord was bribed, read the stories.

Nah they just pay concord 2 million a week to wardec empire! Smile

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2010.11.29 12:22:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Claska
About concord, won't they attack sansha during an incursion? i realise there only for capsuleers but arn't true slaves capsuleers as well? Sansha ones yes but capsuleers all the same? if concord don't help out then isn't that imersion breaking, and a breach of concord contract and rules? From the stories perspececitve, what's stoping concord from acting, has it been said?


It's all one big conspiracy theory against capsuleers. CONCORD is involved too (why do you think they are so trigger happy when you give them a chance to blow you up anyway) Wink

Sinister Dextor
Posted - 2010.11.29 12:36:00 - [6]
 

There's a story?

DarkAegix
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.29 13:03:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: DarkAegix on 29/11/2010 13:04:34
Edited by: DarkAegix on 29/11/2010 13:04:09
I HAVE THE SOLUTION! Rolling Eyes
Someone asked this question in the help channel, and an ISD replied with something like this:
Along with capsuleer technology, the Jovians gave CONCORD weaponry specifically designed to counter capsuleer systems. Against non-capsuleers, CONCORD are quite defenseless. This also explains why there are so many rats everywhere, and CONCORD don't just OMGWTFBBQPWN them the second they appear.

The answer to every plot-hole is "The Jovians!"

Megumi Amatsuki
Posted - 2010.11.29 13:12:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Megumi Amatsuki on 29/11/2010 13:13:03
Originally by: Claska
About concord, won't they attack sansha during an incursion? i realise there only for capsuleers but arn't true slaves capsuleers as well? Sansha ones yes but capsuleers all the same? if concord don't help out then isn't that imersion breaking, and a breach of concord contract and rules? From the stories perspececitve, what's stoping concord from acting, has it been said?


ahem, but nice try all the same.


ahhh wrong alt, this is claska,

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2010.11.29 13:28:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: DarkAegix
Edited by: DarkAegix on 29/11/2010 13:04:34
Edited by: DarkAegix on 29/11/2010 13:04:09
I HAVE THE SOLUTION! Rolling Eyes
Someone asked this question in the help channel, and an ISD replied with something like this:
Along with capsuleer technology, the Jovians gave CONCORD weaponry specifically designed to counter capsuleer systems. Against non-capsuleers, CONCORD are quite defenseless. This also explains why there are so many rats everywhere, and CONCORD don't just OMGWTFBBQPWN them the second they appear.

The answer to every plot-hole is "The Jovians!"


That doesn't agree with the backstory and everything else we know about CONCORD. Just to quote the wiki:
Quote:
One of the largest and most powerful branches of CONCORD is the Directive Enforcement Department (DED). DED is the police force of CONCORD and is by far the strongest armed force in the world of EVE that doesn’t pledge fealty to any one empire.


Serpents smile
Posted - 2010.11.29 13:50:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Destination SkillQueue


That doesn't agree with the backstory and everything else we know about CONCORD. Just to quote the wiki:
Quote:
One of the largest and most powerful branches of CONCORD is the Directive Enforcement Department (DED). DED is the police force of CONCORD and is by far the strongest armed force in the world of EVE that doesn’t pledge fealty to any one empire.



All, well, largely propaganda? Wink

Gallians
Posted - 2010.11.29 17:10:00 - [11]
 

I told ya'll wardec fees were broken and too cheap. Now Sansha gets to grief dec empire.

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2010.11.29 17:39:00 - [12]
 

sansha haxed, invaded a jovian station and have jove technology like concord, concord dont have skill so they are like..... yea we aren't helping

tl;dr
sansha have jove technology making concord on even playing ground

CCP Dropbear

Posted - 2010.11.29 18:07:00 - [13]
 

Well, obviously CONCORD doesn't do all the work for game design reasons...which is a difficult thing to justify in storyline terms. There are any number of creative explanations available, some of which we do entertain, but at the end of the day this is the sort of thing you might want want to lump into the same group as respawning asteroids, one hour out of each day randomly disappearing, and godlike police agents that can appear instantly anywhere in high-sec and one-shot titans.

All that aside, CONCORD are fighting the Sansha, just not in a head-to-head way. Instead, they're running surveillance on them, and using intelligence and newly-established systems (come Incursion) to rally capsuleers. You guys are Nation's biggest threat (and Nation's target right now too, for the same reason Surprised) - so prepping you to do all the heavy lifting makes a certain sort of sense.

You can learn more about Operation Ishaeka here, and you might notice on SISI that all of the briefings, NPC profiles etc that come with Incursion are also Ishaeka documents. These are all designed to arm the capsuleers with information.

Haseo Arashi
Posted - 2010.11.30 06:58:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Haseo Arashi on 30/11/2010 06:58:58
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Well, obviously CONCORD doesn't do all the work for game design reasons...which is a difficult thing to justify in storyline terms. There are any number of creative explanations available, some of which we do entertain, but at the end of the day this is the sort of thing you might want want to lump into the same group as respawning asteroids, A Half Hour out of each day randomly disappearing, and godlike police agents that can appear instantly anywhere in high-sec and one-shot titans.

All that aside, CONCORD are fighting the Sansha, just not in a head-to-head way. Instead, they're running surveillance on them, and using intelligence and newly-established systems (come Incursion) to rally capsuleers. You guys are Nation's biggest threat (and Nation's target right now too, for the same reason Surprised) - so prepping you to do all the heavy lifting makes a certain sort of sense.

You can learn more about Operation Ishaeka here, and you might notice on SISI that all of the briefings, NPC profiles etc that come with Incursion are also Ishaeka documents. These are all designed to arm the capsuleers with information.


fixed that for you.

Lost Greybeard
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.30 08:57:00 - [15]
 

CONCORD is bound by charter from participating in inter-empire conflicts, isn't it? Sansha's nation is, well, a nation. That'd put it outside of CONCORD's jurisdiction, yeah?

I'd wager that it's not so much that they can't help as that they won't. You don't see CONCORD running off non-capsuleer pirates either.

Haseo Arashi
Posted - 2010.11.30 09:27:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Lost Greybeard
CONCORD is bound by charter from participating in inter-empire conflicts, isn't it? Sansha's nation is, well, a nation. That'd put it outside of CONCORD's jurisdiction, yeah?

I'd wager that it's not so much that they can't help as that they won't. You don't see CONCORD running off non-capsuleer pirates either.


Uh, they actually intervene with interempire stuff if I remember correctly. Im sure there are some trailers from empyeran age that show concord standing off with joint mimatar republic fleet a thukker tribe vessels.

Grideris
Gallente
Fleet Coordination Command
Fleet Coordination Coalition
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:40:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Haseo Arashi
Originally by: Lost Greybeard
CONCORD is bound by charter from participating in inter-empire conflicts, isn't it? Sansha's nation is, well, a nation. That'd put it outside of CONCORD's jurisdiction, yeah?

I'd wager that it's not so much that they can't help as that they won't. You don't see CONCORD running off non-capsuleer pirates either.


Uh, they actually intervene with interempire stuff if I remember correctly. Im sure there are some trailers from empyeran age that show concord standing off with joint mimatar republic fleet a thukker tribe vessels.


That was because said Elder fleet was threatening a CONCORD station. And not just any station. Their headquarters in Yulai.

I'm sure their charter says that they can defend their own space in Genesis.

Dean Bowden
Gallente
The Cake Collective.
Veni Vidi Vici Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:48:00 - [18]
 

I thought concord was police, not military and hence dont concern them selves with activities of factions.

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2010.11.30 12:51:00 - [19]
 

I can see it now, a fleet of fifty players is killed and CONCORD just sort of spins in place nearby.

CONCORD, you're such stars.

Learol
Posted - 2010.11.30 13:01:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Learol on 30/11/2010 13:03:21
I do believe Concord was created to deal with issues relating to the capsuleer population. Was it not?

Sansha ships, being piloted by standard crews, mean that Concord are not really obligated to do anything about them.

*Edit (that doesn't mean they don't care, or can't respond, they just can't be bothered to take time away from their current duties at the moment, far easier to pay us to do the work for them)

Tokyo Vigilante
Amarr
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2010.11.30 16:14:00 - [21]
 

The same reason they don't murder death kill the regular NPC belt rats. Reach arounds! going to replace isk soon, you heard it here first.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.11.30 16:41:00 - [22]
 

I've said this before:

CONCORD's mandate, essentially, is to protect Empire space from us (capsuleers), not to protect the empires from each other (which would put an end to Faction War completely) and not from pirates (no moar ratting or missions).

Palovana
Caldari
Inner Fire Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.30 20:50:00 - [23]
 

Easy one: Sansha's Nation has bribed Concord with space donuts.


 

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