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Konoch
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.11.27 23:17:00 - [1]
 

I usually ignore this forum because i find far too many tinfoil hats here.

However when stuff like this happens it's only fair to report it here.

http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-seizes-bittorrent-search-engine-domain-and-more-101126/

http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/130763-homeland-security-dept-seizes-domain-names-

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/27/feds-seizes-websites-suspected-online-piracy/

Not sure what the end result of this will be but it's starting a cold chapter in the net.

Atomos Darksun
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.11.27 23:22:00 - [2]
 

If you're going to start a post off with an insult, why even bother coming here?

illford baker
STK Scientific
IT Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.27 23:29:00 - [3]
 

a cold chapter for who? the lawless individuals who steal everything they want because of their sense of entitlement. i for one welcome law to the internet, can there be a golden age in a lawless world?

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2010.11.27 23:40:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: illford baker
a cold chapter for who? the lawless individuals who steal everything they want because of their sense of entitlement. i for one welcome law to the internet, can there be a golden age in a lawless world?
Torrent is not Synonymous with Piracy, Illegal or Crime. Go educate yourself.

Brb, adding Demonoid, The Pirate Bay and a couple of other places to my Hosts file, so that when the DNS servers inevitably go down, my computer already knows the IP to ping for the website.

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.11.28 00:11:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 28/11/2010 00:29:07
My feelings.

TL;DL: We rule, with technology. Set your world on fire. Then you'll be free.

illford baker
STK Scientific
IT Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.28 00:12:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: illford baker
a cold chapter for who? the lawless individuals who steal everything they want because of their sense of entitlement. i for one welcome law to the internet, can there be a golden age in a lawless world?
Torrent is not Synonymous with Piracy, Illegal or Crime. Go educate yourself.

Brb, adding Demonoid, The Pirate Bay and a couple of other places to my Hosts file, so that when the DNS servers inevitably go down, my computer already knows the IP to ping for the website.

torrents are to piracy as guns are to crime, torrents are great ways to distribute files but the fact is that most torrents are for piracy.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2010.11.28 00:18:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: illford baker
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: illford baker
a cold chapter for who? the lawless individuals who steal everything they want because of their sense of entitlement. i for one welcome law to the internet, can there be a golden age in a lawless world?
Torrent is not Synonymous with Piracy, Illegal or Crime. Go educate yourself.

Brb, adding Demonoid, The Pirate Bay and a couple of other places to my Hosts file, so that when the DNS servers inevitably go down, my computer already knows the IP to ping for the website.

torrents are to piracy as guns are to crime, torrents are great ways to distribute files but the fact is that most torrents are for piracy.
And yet nobody can provide hard numbers on this. It's always this broad statement that it comes down to; but there is absolutely no rock solid statistic that shows how many torrents contain illegal files compared to ones that do not.

illford baker
STK Scientific
IT Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.28 00:29:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: illford baker on 28/11/2010 00:31:10
Originally by: Blane Xero
And yet nobody can provide hard numbers on this. It's always this broad statement that it comes down to; but there is absolutely no rock solid statistic that shows how many torrents contain illegal files compared to ones that do not.

yes because piracy is such a shady business, but you cannot say that there are not a large number of illegal torrents out there. how do pirates do their business then? sending flash drives/cards through snail mail?

el Sabor
Posted - 2010.11.28 00:48:00 - [9]
 

I've never really known anyone who uses torrents to get anything legally to be honest!


illford baker
STK Scientific
IT Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.28 00:53:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: el Sabor
I've never really known anyone who uses torrents to get anything legally to be honest!



clear skies

Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2010.11.28 00:53:00 - [11]
 

Blizzard uses torrents to distribute their downloads.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.11.28 00:55:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: illford baker
Originally by: el Sabor
I've never really known anyone who uses torrents to get anything legally to be honest!



clear skies


I downloaded America's Army from torrent, it's a free game Very Happy

and I think that anyone caught pirating things should have their hands cut off, mainly for the youtube vids of it Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.11.28 01:19:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Atomos Darksun
If you're going to start a post off with an insult, why even bother coming here?


Because it's the eve way.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.11.28 01:26:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Atomos Darksun
If you're going to start a post off with an insult, why even bother coming here?


Because it's the eve way.


I think it's required by the EULA

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2010.11.28 01:34:00 - [15]
 

"This is our world now. The world of the electron and the switch; the beauty of the baud. We exist without nationality, skin color, or religious bias.

You wage wars, murder, cheat, lie to us and try to make us believe it's for our own good, yet we're the criminals. Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. I am a hacker, and this is my manifesto.

You may stop me, but you can't stop us all."


HACK THE PLANET!!!1! YARRRR!!

Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Emminent Terraforming
O.G.-Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.28 01:55:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Viktor Fyretracker on 28/11/2010 01:57:04
I am against anything like this, the government has no right to seize websites without full due legal process as long as the site is in the US.

Of course it does not work that way because here in the US the government is not "For the people by the people" but "For the Corporation by the Corporation" May as well license the name "Caldari State" and get it over with.

problem here in the US is people just sit down and accept what they are fed by the corporate system.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2010.11.28 02:30:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker

problem here in the US is people just sit down and accept what they are fed by the corporate system.


Speak for yourself there sport.

Most people are apathetic on such things if they are not directly inconvenienced by it.

There are plenty of people that are not. Just because you don't see WOLVERINES spray painted on the capital building doesn't mean we don't have plenty of citizens that dissent. From dope smokers that may not even realize what they are doing is ultimately patriotic, to organized political machines pursuing preservation of our rights to regular Joe's who just like to stick it to the man wherever convenient.

A wise old man told me once, (paraphrasing) "time moves very very slowly. Young men see a road of progress we could take, a constant pursuit of our ideals. Old men realize we are just on a carousel, things only get so different before we make the next revolution and start right back where we were before."

In the long run very little actually changes and this is a good thing. We may be on the dirtier side of the carousel ride but wait and see... the world keeps on turning.

People will sit down and accept what they are fed until they stand up and don't. All of this has happened before and will happen again.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2010.11.28 02:52:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Crumplecorn on 28/11/2010 02:53:03
Is this this thing about the US turning off domain names? No harm - it'll hurt casual piracy but have no effect on the core. That'll reduce the attention given to piracy without doing any real harm.


Originally by: illford baker
a cold chapter for who? the lawless individuals who steal everything they want because of their sense of entitlement. i for one welcome law to the internet, can there be a golden age in a lawless world?
You wouldn't download a car.

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.11.28 03:03:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: illford baker
a cold chapter for who? the lawless individuals who steal everything they want because of their sense of entitlement. i for one welcome law to the internet, can there be a golden age in a lawless world?

"To illegally, or without the owner's permission, take possession of something by surreptitiously taking or carrying it away."

Nope, sorry, try again.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.11.28 03:06:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Konoch
I usually ignore this forum because i find far too many tinfoil hats here.




Well I guess that means I can't post here.

I'll just take this fresh role of foil and go home.




illford baker
STK Scientific
IT Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.28 04:03:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: So Sensational
Originally by: illford baker
a cold chapter for who? the lawless individuals who steal everything they want because of their sense of entitlement. i for one welcome law to the internet, can there be a golden age in a lawless world?

"To illegally, or without the owner's permission, take possession of something by surreptitiously taking or carrying it away."

Nope, sorry, try again.

what do you mean? that is what you are doing. by pirating something, you are taking it away form the owner without paying him/her anything.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.11.28 04:04:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
Edited by: Crumplecorn on 28/11/2010 02:53:03
Is this this thing about the US turning off domain names? No harm - it'll hurt casual piracy but have no effect on the core. That'll reduce the attention given to piracy without doing any real harm.


Originally by: illford baker
a cold chapter for who? the lawless individuals who steal everything they want because of their sense of entitlement. i for one welcome law to the internet, can there be a golden age in a lawless world?
You wouldn't download a car.


I would if I could! Evil or Very Mad

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.11.28 04:11:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: illford baker
Originally by: So Sensational
Originally by: illford baker
a cold chapter for who? the lawless individuals who steal everything they want because of their sense of entitlement. i for one welcome law to the internet, can there be a golden age in a lawless world?

"To illegally, or without the owner's permission, take possession of something by surreptitiously taking or carrying it away."

Nope, sorry, try again.

what do you mean? that is what you are doing. by pirating something, you are taking it away form the owner without paying him/her anything.

Nope, I am making a copy (From another third party no less), I take nothing.

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.11.28 05:03:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: So Sensational
Originally by: illford baker
Originally by: So Sensational
Originally by: illford baker
a cold chapter for who? the lawless individuals who steal everything they want because of their sense of entitlement. i for one welcome law to the internet, can there be a golden age in a lawless world?

"To illegally, or without the owner's permission, take possession of something by surreptitiously taking or carrying it away."

Nope, sorry, try again.

what do you mean? that is what you are doing. by pirating something, you are taking it away form the owner without paying him/her anything.

Nope, I am making a copy (From another third party no less), I take nothing.


Yeah yeah we've all heard these tiring and worn out excuses before. Its a copy therefore its not stealing. Its digital and not real therefore its ok. Blah blah blah. And everyone has their own reasons like being poor, or wanting to view it before purchasing an actual copy or whatever. But in the end you still gained something while the person(s) who created it gained nothing.
I'm no saint here, I've done it myself a number of times now. The only difference is I know what I'm doing is wrong.

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.11.28 05:10:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich

Yeah yeah we've all heard these tiring and worn out excuses before. Its a copy therefore its not stealing. Its digital and not real therefore its ok. Blah blah blah. And everyone has their own reasons like being poor, or wanting to view it before purchasing an actual copy or whatever. But in the end you still gained something while the person(s) who created it gained nothing.
I'm no saint here, I've done it myself a number of times now. The only difference is I know what I'm doing is wrong.

I gained something sure, he gained nothing? That can be debated. What can also be debated (Even if you come to the conclusion that he or she gained nothing) is if that is actually wrong, "not ok". I certainly don't believe so.

ceaon
Posted - 2010.11.28 05:17:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Konoch
I usually ignore this forum because i find far too many tinfoil hats here.

However when stuff like this happens it's only fair to report it here.

http://torrentfreak.com/u-s-government-seizes-bittorrent-search-engine-domain-and-more-101126/

http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/130763-homeland-security-dept-seizes-domain-names-

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/11/27/feds-seizes-websites-suspected-online-piracy/

Not sure what the end result of this will be but it's starting a cold chapter in the net.


let me see what i got at my finder tips

freenet
i2p
tor
gnunet

why should i care ?

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.11.28 05:18:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: So Sensational

I gained something sure, he gained nothing? That can be debated. What can also be debated (Even if you come to the conclusion that he or she gained nothing) is if that is actually wrong, "not ok". I certainly don't believe so.


I know you don't believe so. Like I said, it helps you sleep at night.

Now since you brought it up, I would love it if you were to start this debate on what they gain when you make a copy of something like a cd or a movie without paying for it. I'll let you be pro-pirate here.

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.11.28 05:29:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: So Sensational

I gained something sure, he gained nothing? That can be debated. What can also be debated (Even if you come to the conclusion that he or she gained nothing) is if that is actually wrong, "not ok". I certainly don't believe so.


I know you don't believe so. Like I said, it helps you sleep at night.

Sure, but then again with that logic pretty much everything does. I don't do a lot of things that I consider morally wrong.


Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Now since you brought it up, I would love it if you were to start this debate on what they gain when you make a copy of something like a cd or a movie without paying for it. I'll let you be pro-pirate here.

It probably won't be worth the effort to go very far into the subject, considering the CCP policy on politics. But a simple example could be the pride that an artist feels when people enjoy their work.

illford baker
STK Scientific
IT Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.28 05:35:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: So Sensational

Nope, I am making a copy (From another third party no less), I take nothing.

you are making a copy, and you are taking a sale from him. money that SHOULD go to him. you are taking something, don't try to rationalize it into something else.

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.11.28 05:38:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: So Sensational

Sure, but then again with that logic pretty much everything does. I don't do a lot of things that I consider morally wrong.


This doesn't surprise me.


Originally by: So Sensational
It probably won't be worth the effort to go very far into the subject, considering the CCP policy on politics. But a simple example could be the pride that an artist feels when people enjoy their work.


Many artists allow free distribution of their works as they would like to just show it off and get recognition for it. Some offer their works for free but may ask for a donation if you enjoy it which is also ok. But what about for those who have a standard price for much of their work? Do they still enjoy the idea that somebody is viewing or using their goods even though they receive nothing in kind for their work?


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