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Phosphorus Palladium
Posted - 2010.11.25 14:33:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Deja Thoris
Rite of passage my arse.


I am not sure how to interpret that statement.

debbie harrio
Posted - 2010.11.25 14:35:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: iluvtogank
new players needs to experience training learning skills. it is a rite of passage to eve.


sad day for veterans who agrees? Crying or Very sad



open your wallet and pay for all that subscription time whilst ghost training, then you might have an argument.

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2010.11.25 14:48:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: iluvtogank
new players needs to experience training learning skills. it is a rite of passage to eve.


sad day for veterans who agrees? Crying or Very sad


I don't agree.

Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
Posted - 2010.11.25 14:49:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
I, as a bitter old jaded and full of hate veteran, for one, welcome this change.


06, bitter, and happy to have 2-3m sp to distribute on all characters.

Alyth
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.25 14:49:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Slavemaster
Originally by: Alyth
Originally by: Slavemaster

ehh, take learning V, that will only pay for it self in 1.3 years (can you see the Ironi) or so. If you used that training time on other skills, you will gain more Isk. If you combine them that will give you Battleship V. So, the problem here is not that you get it back, but you lose ISK, Time... Ex -> 10% More Damage is 10% more ISK Per H +++

AND; Sunny there are many out there who have payed lots of extra isk chr with high learning skills, for them thats a big down trip,
and many have even payed for it with real money....




Read the blog to see why there is no refund on books you have injected already. Something along the lines of injecting 16 trillion ISK into the economy. For people individually that may only be 20m each, for people with multiple accounts and chars with maxed learning skills thats a fricking goldmine. Take Chribba for (an extreme) example. He has 28 alts (yes he also has four titans but this is just an example) each alt gets 20m back, that gives him an instant windfall of 560m ISK. For nothing. This would be bad as you can probably imagine. I have 3 accounts with 3 chars with maxed learning skills on each, that would give me 180m instantly, not quite as bad as 560m but still a bad idea to be giving those amounts of money to people, even if it is something they have previously invested.

With regards to buying skills with plex, thats a simple "that's your problem not mine" scenario. It's the same as having bought plex to fund a faction fitted Nightmare for example, sure you spent real world money to buy and fit it, but it's your own loss if it gets suicided in highsec.


The problem is that there are also peaople in EVE that train Chr for sale, and buy, resell. If it was 1 year from now they could
adjust. 20 mil isk for the books is not the problem...


True, it would kill that particular market but at the end of the day compared to other character sales, like capship pilots, that's not gonna have a ginormous impact on the game or markets tbh. In fact, it's likely to boost the sales of characters because it's gonna be faster to get them into other ships now.

Dr Fighter
Posted - 2010.11.25 14:52:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
I, as a bitter old jaded and full of hate veteran, for one, welcome this change.


me too, the month i wasted to traing the learning skills that i had basicly completely forgottern about, i now get to spend 5 mil sp on whatever i wish.

Vets and newbs rejoice!


Drunxt
Posted - 2010.11.25 14:57:00 - [37]
 

...i don't really feel well about that...now!

at first i was also like "yoohoooo.." "yeeahhh" "bring it on..."

but now i'm like "...waaaitttt a minute..."

Eve has (or..had?) a unique SP gaining system among other MMORPGS where you should run for hours..days..weeks with a stick in the forest and harass some stupidly unitelligent AI to get some leveling...

In eve - things are different. But, with this kind of simplification, I'm afraid, what will be the next steps. The whole skills system is CONFUSING fro noobs. YES! That's why it's eve! You need to spend some THINKING time to get your char right.

If ccp aims on simplifying this part of a gameplay - we might end up also running on the planets with a "stick harassing some space goblins to get our sp".

So, some sp to redistribute - is fun, but the whole trend if it goes on - NOT. Sad

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:01:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Drunxt
...i don't really feel well about that...now!

at first i was also like "yoohoooo.." "yeeahhh" "bring it on..."

but now i'm like "...waaaitttt a minute..."

Eve has (or..had?) a unique SP gaining system among other MMORPGS where you should run for hours..days..weeks with a stick in the forest and harass some stupidly unitelligent AI to get some leveling...

In eve - things are different. But, with this kind of simplification, I'm afraid, what will be the next steps. The whole skills system is CONFUSING fro noobs. YES! That's why it's eve! You need to spend some THINKING time to get your char right.

If ccp aims on simplifying this part of a gameplay - we might end up also running on the planets with a "stick harassing some space goblins to get our sp".

So, some sp to redistribute - is fun, but the whole trend if it goes on - NOT. Sad


WTS tinfoil hats.Rolling Eyes

Ysolde Xen
The Causality
Electus Matari
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:18:00 - [39]
 

Not this cynical ol' vet (if '04 counts). Screw those learning skills with a watermelon, I like the sound of Xmill SP to instapop a few long level 5s and then continuing on with skill training as if nothing had happened. The 2 extra attribute points on top of the 5+5 being refunded will help to even things out as well if you're obsessed over the loss of a handful of SP.

The best part is: new players won't be put off by all the rubbish 'advice' they're given not to undock until they've done their learning skills.

Con Ton
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:23:00 - [40]
 

Ok So This Is my first post here ever and right of the bat I am going to prove I am a Moron.

So as I see it there will be no more skills books to be sold very soon:
Not bad I save a ton of ISK on skill books:)

I will be reimbursed for the skill books I have in my hanger:
Great I was planing ahead and have some rather expensive skill books. I can use the extra cash:

That all the SP I have trained so far will be reimbursed and I will be able to put them towards any training I like:
Well seeing as I seriously trained a bunch of crud I didn't need this is good to I might be able to get first toon to orca and second toon to retriever now if I get rid of all the crude I don't use:)

I will get 12 more points to remap.
Cool but on one toon my next remap isn't till next year about October I don't see how that is going to help. On this toon it is going to help a lot:)

So did I get all this right? Or did I totally miss the concept here?

Because after the shock and panic this don't seem so bad in the long run.
Now Both my toons are very young. Less than two months old so be gently when you tell me how much of a fraking moron I am :)

Fly Safe now and Always people!!!

Shyleia
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:24:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Shyleia on 25/11/2010 15:38:38
I completely agree. I started playing after a few friends, so the first thing I did was the learning tree. This was definitely a rite of passage. I tried to get my noob friends to train learning skills, and no one would ever listen. Now since everyone is ignorant and arrogant, CCP is going to take away my hard earned skills. This is the same award system that is being seen around the globe right now. "Screw up and don't listen, but we'll(governments and corporations) make it better by punishing those who did listen." MESSAGE!!!! Reward failure. Crying or Very sadTwisted EvilEvil or Very Mad

And what does that mean for the speed in which I will now learn things. Slower. Forget SP reimbursement if that is the case.

Sporked
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:40:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Sporked on 25/11/2010 15:39:58
Quote:
Ok So This Is my first post here ever and right of the bat I am going to prove I am a Moron.

So as I see it there will be no more skills books to be sold very soon:
Not bad I save a ton of ISK on skill books:)
I will be reimbursed for the skill books I have in my hanger:
Great I was planing ahead and have some rather expensive skill books. I can use the extra cash:


That's not exactly moronic :p

Quote:
That all the SP I have trained so far will be reimbursed and I will be able to put them towards any training I like:
Well seeing as I seriously trained a bunch of crud I didn't need this is good to I might be able to get first toon to orca and second toon to retriever now if I get rid of all the crude I don't use:)


Also a pretty effective use of the points :p I plan to get Minnie BS V out of it myself.

Quote:
I will get 12 more points to remap.
Cool but on one toon my next remap isn't till next year about October I don't see how that is going to help. On this toon it is going to help a lot :)

So did I get all this right? Or did I totally miss the concept here?


It's not going to be points to remap, it's going to be added directly to your base skills. For example say you have as a base amount 8 mem/per/will/int and 7 cha you'll instead have 20/20/20/20/19 as the BASE amount. You won't be able to remap any of those points.


Quote:
Because after the shock and panic this don't seem so bad in the long run.
Now Both my toons are very young. Less than two months old so be gently when you tell me how much of a fraking moron I am :)

Fly Safe now and Always people!!!


Not moronic, just misunderstanding things. Also flying safe is boring, explosions are better :3

Lugalzagezi666
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:41:00 - [43]
 

Mmmm, tears, they taste so good.

Shadow Nebulae
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:45:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: iluvtogank
new players needs to experience training learning skills. it is a rite of passage to eve.


sad day for veterans who agrees? Crying or Very sad
So you can reimburse 5 m SP and YOU WHINE ABOUT IT?

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:48:00 - [45]
 

leadership skills to v and zero effort or keep those 2+ mill in useless skills?

ill take instant charisma heavily skills any day thanks


Con Ton
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:50:00 - [46]
 

thanks So The bases will be those numbers and then what ever remapping that I have done will thake effect so I don't see why everyone is upset about this. you don't have to spend crazy money on books anymore poor toons rejoice.

My Corp just had a question.

What about implants?

They keeping those?

I for one would love to see them go but then of course then what would the intensive be not to get into dangerous things. If there is no fear of losing your 'plants you die and are reborn like any other game.

HIT GYRL
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:50:00 - [47]
 

Learning skills just make sense for longer plans, where you have to skill for months and you will save a lot of days finally.

The problem is: without tools like EVEMon you will not understand theses skills when you start the game.
But not understanding EVE asap is exactly what makes this game special.
When you have set your skill plan in EVEMon the recommended Learning skills are efficient within this long queue.
But it makes no sense to skill them up to 4 or worst: 5 at the beginning and whine that EVE is so boring and unfair to beginners.
When I used EVEMon the first time I thought: "Damn, I don't need to train all these Learing skills?".
Finally I just used them for my specific plans and it was fine. Case closed.

I don't care that CCP removes them now BUT I care that this is again the result of massive whining to something a lot of (noob) player don't understand and start to deal with this simple nice feature like it's the biggest pain ingame. No, it wasn't. It's still the lag and other annyoing things :-)

Wandom Wapist
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:53:00 - [48]
 

Vet checking in to call the Op a name. Vagina. Vet checking out.

Sporked
Posted - 2010.11.25 16:40:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Con Ton
thanks So The bases will be those numbers and then what ever remapping that I have done will thake effect so I don't see why everyone is upset about this. you don't have to spend crazy money on books anymore poor toons rejoice.

My Corp just had a question.

What about implants?

They keeping those?

I for one would love to see them go but then of course then what would the intensive be not to get into dangerous things. If there is no fear of losing your 'plants you die and are reborn like any other game.


Implants will be staying, they are a veeeeeeeeeery neccessary evil on the longer skills, a +5 can knock several days off BS V for example. +3's are basically throwaways as it is anyways, so from my point of view you only have to fear a podding if you have pirate implants. That or you have over 100m sp and your clone costs you 30m a pop :3

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2010.11.25 17:53:00 - [50]
 

I will be enjoying my extra 5 million sp to redistribute elsewhere.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.11.25 18:24:00 - [51]
 

It is only a sad day for vets cause it will be the last day we get to hear about the new guys complain about having to train learning skills. NOOB tears great tears!.


Anyway i guess i should switch skill training and get that caldari bs 5 going or amarr bs 5

Judas Scammer
Posted - 2010.11.25 19:53:00 - [52]
 

Its very sad?

You lose 72sp/h
You gain 6 000 000 sp

How long it would take to get 6m sp if the training speed is 72sp/h?



Ehranavaar
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.25 20:17:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: iluvtogank
new players needs to experience training learning skills. it is a rite of passage to eve.


sad day for veterans who agrees? Crying or Very sad


it did tend to weed out the undesireable instant gratification types.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2010.11.25 20:18:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Ehranavaar
it did tend to weed out the undesireable instant gratification types.
And now that task falls to us.

YARRRR!!

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2010.11.25 20:19:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: iluvtogank
new players needs to experience training learning skills. it is a rite of passage to eve.


sad day for veterans who agrees? Crying or Very sad
tbh I feel more sorry for the new players - missing out on the "true" way playing the game.

I'm honored to have been able to be a part of the history of what made this game so great. Learning skills removal is at new pilots' loss imo.

/c

Dan Grobag
Caldari
Grobag's Family
Posted - 2010.11.25 20:25:00 - [56]
 

As a vet I will be happy of not having to hear new players training for their learnings and leaving soon after they finished them.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2010.11.25 20:30:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Dan Grobag
As a vet I will be happy of not having to hear new players training for their learnings and leaving soon after they finished them.
Now they can go straight to leaving!

*ba-dum tsh*

Something Random
Gallente
The Barrow Boys
Posted - 2010.11.25 20:40:00 - [58]
 

Im all for redispursable skill pointage. I for one agree with this service and bow before our overlords.

As usual.

Hmmmm.

Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now.
Posted - 2010.11.25 21:09:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Baneken on 25/11/2010 21:15:20
Originally by: Phosphorus Palladium
Originally by: Deja Thoris
Rite of passage my arse.


I am not sure how to interpret that statement.


Have to admit that I lolled for your statement. Very Happy


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