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L0rdF1end
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:14:00 - [421]
 

Originally by: L0rdF1end
Im confused.

If I have increased attributes through learning skills do I keep those attribute points gained when this comes into effect?

If I do, would it not make sense to train leanring skills as much as poissible keeping the attribute increase and gaining the SP back to spend elsewhere?

Have I missed somethng here?

Something doesn't feel right.



Anyone able to answer my query?


Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:16:00 - [422]
 

Originally by: L0rdF1end
Originally by: L0rdF1end
Im confused.

If I have increased attributes through learning skills do I keep those attribute points gained when this comes into effect?

If I do, would it not make sense to train leanring skills as much as poissible keeping the attribute increase and gaining the SP back to spend elsewhere?

Have I missed somethng here?

Something doesn't feel right.



Anyone able to answer my query?




Dev blog answered it in clear. You didn't read it, did you?

L0rdF1end
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:17:00 - [423]
 

Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: L0rdF1end
Originally by: L0rdF1end
Im confused.

If I have increased attributes through learning skills do I keep those attribute points gained when this comes into effect?

If I do, would it not make sense to train leanring skills as much as poissible keeping the attribute increase and gaining the SP back to spend elsewhere?

Have I missed somethng here?

Something doesn't feel right.



Clearly I missed something....re-reading now...


Anyone able to answer my query?




Dev blog answered it in clear. You didn't read it, did you?

L0rdF1end
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:19:00 - [424]
 

Originally by: L0rdF1end
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: L0rdF1end
Originally by: L0rdF1end
Im confused.

If I have increased attributes through learning skills do I keep those attribute points gained when this comes into effect?

If I do, would it not make sense to train leanring skills as much as poissible keeping the attribute increase and gaining the SP back to spend elsewhere?

Have I missed somethng here?

Something doesn't feel right.



Clearly I missed something....re-reading now...


Anyone able to answer my query?




Dev blog answered it in clear. You didn't read it, did you?



Clearly my brain/eyes are too tired to read.

"All new and existing characters will have an extra 12 base points (ie, non-remappable) in each attribute."

Night Epoch
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:21:00 - [425]
 

Great news. What a great Xmas present CCP.

Training learning skills was one of the worst aspects of being a new player - and I'll really enjoy redistributing those several million SP I have in learning toward more pew.


Shaalira D'arc
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:22:00 - [426]
 

Sansha Claus delivers!

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Leaving Eve
Send Your Stuff To Me
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:24:00 - [427]
 

Originally by: Flynn Fetladral
I'm remapped, and wont get a new re-map till next year. I just wanted to clear up in my mind how this will effect remapped characters. After reading the blog, is it right to assume that the new points will be distributed according to how we have mapped our chars? Or do we expect to have them reset to the 20/20/20/20/19?

Originally by: T0Y
If my current remap is set to maximize mem/perc, does this change take that into account and leave me maxed in a similar way? Or does it just give me a flat 20/20/20/20/19 setup?

Any answer on these?

Lokaas
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:24:00 - [428]
 

Yeah, I'm sure somebody mentioned this already and CCP team considered it: but, I want to say it anyway because I didn't see it mentioned though it might have been and I otherwise don't like the search feature on the forums...

What do we get for the learning skills that are injected in our head but have not actually started training yet. i.e. NO money due to already injected and NO skill points invested.

Ivanna Nuke
Gallente
Holders Of The Cowbell
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:25:00 - [429]
 

Just when I was beginning to question CCP and EvE Online, they go and do this.

Chuck Norris claps his hands in celebration of the win here Cool

I recommend reading the devblog with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maMjjUr6zIQ playing :) for more win.

aJackus
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:26:00 - [430]
 

1. Everybody's gonna train slower.
With these +12 atr/ I'll have 26 intel (instead of 26.4) and 32 mem. (33 now).
That's awsome.
2. Give everybody free remapEvil or Very Mad.

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:27:00 - [431]
 

We need new version of EveMon that shows SP next to time.
Im currently trying to figure out how much SP could I gain by buffering in learning before the change.

With my remap/learning skills/attribs and set of +5 best learning skill that I can train is Logic at 2442sp/h (i know its crap, I did universal remap to Int/Perc). That would earn me 632235 SP in 10 days 18 Hours.

I would like EveMon to show SP when I highlight skills in a plan so I can see how much I can just fill from the buffer and how much I will need to have in that buffer in the first place.
mmm going to look for EveMon threat/forum.

Durzel
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:27:00 - [432]
 

As someone with (I think?) 2 free remaps available (I've never remapped due to base 3 Charisma) I assume it would be prudent between now and the 14th December to burn both of them on learning one of my Rank 3 Learning skills to 5?

(or indeed another skill that I would've just spent the free SP on anyway?)

I assume remaps are going too? They're not going to be repurposed (or people given something for them?) for something else that would make it possibly worth hanging onto them for?

Athre
Minmatar
The Higher Standard
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:27:00 - [433]
 

Read, enjoyed and kudos to the writer. Balanced quantities of humor, information and human nature comments.

10/10

Thorleifer
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:29:00 - [434]
 

Originally by: T0Y
If my current remap is set to maximize mem/perc, does this change take that into account and leave me maxed in a similar way? Or does it just give me a flat 20/20/20/20/19 setup?

It was strictly said in reference to NEW CHARACTERS... Read dev blog as it written, please.


True but that blog made no reference to older character at all. So clarification is asked for again.

Svartaka
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:29:00 - [435]
 

Well,
I wished you would have told this earlier.
Because with my latest char i am in the process of getting all learning skills. This means i will lose a bit of money since i injected the higher learning skills, but havent gotten around to actually learning them Crying or Very sad.
But fortunately the amount is negligable relative to the dowry he will get from my other chars as soon as he learns to fly some ships Laughing.
And after the patch his learning will go as quickly as i intended to.
Guess I will learn all the mem/int-dependent skills before that patch gets through. And use the extra 2M SP to "learn" wil/per-dependent skills. Time to check my plan with evemon.


Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:29:00 - [436]
 

Originally by: Durzel
As someone with (I think?) 2 free remaps available (I've never remapped due to base 3 Charisma) I assume it would be prudent between now and the 14th December to burn both of them on learning one of my Rank 3 Learning skills to 5?

As an old Achura you only have one free remap.

Annoitte
Minmatar
Industrial Salvage and Excavations
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:30:00 - [437]
 

Very nice Christmas present indeed. I gain another two points to every attribute (since I only trained my learning skills to 4's), and I get the SP I invested refunded. Me likey. Oh, and what's the second half of the Christmas present? Does it go boom?

Bryant21
Agony Unleashed
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:30:00 - [438]
 

Hmmm.

I can haz free remap plz?

Also, can you put +7 implants in the game now! Laughing

Sasha nichole
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:30:00 - [439]
 

I am at an outrage!!! So from here on out the only thing that will make a fully trained in learning pilot and a newbie is implants????? Then Make a loyaty attribute go to a character every year of there birthday I think this whole thing is horrible mistake almost as bad as my spelling *&^% I just want to $%#@&^% curse. I like that I sat there and spent the time to be better myslef of a ^&%$&*^ alpha then someone not willing to spend the time in learning, and now we are all the same &*^%.

T0Y
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:31:00 - [440]
 

Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: T0Y
If my current remap is set to maximize mem/perc, does this change take that into account and leave me maxed in a similar way? Or does it just give me a flat 20/20/20/20/19 setup?

It was strictly said in reference to NEW CHARACTERS... Read dev blog as it written, please.

So if you don't know the answer, why are you replying?

De'Vadder
Minmatar
Dissonance Corp
BLACK-MARK
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:31:00 - [441]
 

Originally by: Rasz Lin
We need new version of EveMon that shows SP next to time.
Im currently trying to figure out how much SP could I gain by buffering in learning before the change.

With my remap/learning skills/attribs and set of +5 best learning skill that I can train is Logic at 2442sp/h (i know its crap, I did universal remap to Int/Perc). That would earn me 632235 SP in 10 days 18 Hours.

I would like EveMon to show SP when I highlight skills in a plan so I can see how much I can just fill from the buffer and how much I will need to have in that buffer in the first place.
mmm going to look for EveMon threat/forum.


Evemon does show your SP/h in the plans, so just check wether you get more SP/h in any learning skill than in what you want to learn and if thats the case, put some learning in your head.

Thorleifer
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:31:00 - [442]
 

Originally by: aJackus
1. Everybody's gonna train slower.
With these +12 atr/ I'll have 26 intel (instead of 26.4) and 32 mem. (33 now).
That's awsome.
2. Give everybody free remapEvil or Very Mad.



My willpower and perception will get wacked, we want a free remap CCP, don't try and say that is a hard thing to plan, if that is the case I am feeling sorry for you.

Pellit1
Caldari
Fatality.
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:31:00 - [443]
 

Goodbye one of the most unique things about EVE.
Yes, I like the ideas, and so long as I don't train any slower than I do now, I'll be happy. But that doesn't change the fact that the learning skills were one of the things that made EVE... EVE.

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:32:00 - [444]
 

Originally by: Mag's
Ahh that makes more sense. So we will get another att allowed in the remap, making it very close to the original max speed.


No. I am afraid you misunderstood what I wrote.

AFAIK CCP's plan is not to increase the amount you can put into any single attribute. Their plan is very similar to, but not quite identical to, the one in the CSM proposal.

The main differences are:

* We suggested giving people a remap.

* We suggested increasing the max points you can put into an attribute in a remap by 1.

Originally by: Fuyu'no Kiri
I just wish you had filmed Doc EyjoG when you told him about the 16 trillion isk triffle thingy ^^


As it happens, CCP's in-house portrait painter was on hand, and recorded the event for posterity.

Originally by: Lokaas
What do we get for the learning skills that are injected in our head but have not actually started training yet. i.e. NO money due to already injected and NO skill points invested.


That is an edge case where you will get slightly screwed; you paid for the skillbooks but got no benefit from them. However, you still have almost 3 weeks to train those skills and do some skillpoint arbitrage (if you can train the skills at a high SP/hr, then use them on skills where you would train slower).



Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:32:00 - [445]
 

Originally by: Thorleifer
True but that blog made no reference to older character at all. So clarification is asked for again.

The attributes added by the learning skills are removed, then you get 12 points added in each attribute.

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:33:00 - [446]
 

Originally by: aJackus
1. Everybody's gonna train slower.
With these +12 atr/ I'll have 26 intel (instead of 26.4) and 32 mem. (33 now).
That's awsome.
2. Give everybody free remapEvil or Very Mad.



If *you* training slower, doesn't mean *everyone* will.
I, personally, will train approximately 1,1% faster.

unit138
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:35:00 - [447]
 

Dang! Now Im going to be racking my brain trying to figure out where to fit 5mil+ skillpoints! Ugh! Such an aggravation Laughing

<3 U CCP

Thorleifer
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:35:00 - [448]
 

Edited by: Thorleifer on 25/11/2010 15:36:10
Originally by: T0Y
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: T0Y
If my current remap is set to maximize mem/perc, does this change take that into account and leave me maxed in a similar way? Or does it just give me a flat 20/20/20/20/19 setup?

It was strictly said in reference to NEW CHARACTERS... Read dev blog as it written, please.

So if you don't know the answer, why are you replying?


Because i asked similar question

Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:35:00 - [449]
 

Originally by: Thorleifer
Originally by: T0Y
If my current remap is set to maximize mem/perc, does this change take that into account and leave me maxed in a similar way? Or does it just give me a flat 20/20/20/20/19 setup?

It was strictly said in reference to NEW CHARACTERS... Read dev blog as it written, please.


True but that blog made no reference to older character at all. So clarification is asked for again.


Originally by: T0Y
Originally by: Tonto Auri
Originally by: T0Y
If my current remap is set to maximize mem/perc, does this change take that into account and leave me maxed in a similar way? Or does it just give me a flat 20/20/20/20/19 setup?

It was strictly said in reference to NEW CHARACTERS... Read dev blog as it written, please.

So if you don't know the answer, why are you replying?


Just a few quotes up in thread
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1420510&page=15#424

(Means: u blind)

kano donn
New Path
Posted - 2010.11.25 15:36:00 - [450]
 

holy... f.....

CCP......

you. are. amazing.


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