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Vanguard Refueling
Posted - 2010.11.21 06:41:00 - [1]
 

So this sorta came up when talking to my corp, what is the point of asking for a limited API?

The only thing a limited API allows you to see that a corp would care about is "who is your alts". Now this might stop the stupid spy but any spy worth anything would create a separate account.

So why do I keep hearing "any non-worthless corp asks you for your API" while, a limited API does jack donkey? Is it just standard "monkey see, monkey do?" or am i missing some special function?


Vanguard Refueling
Posted - 2010.11.21 06:44:00 - [2]
 

hrm....apparently the legitimate term to mean "slow" is filtered >.>

Playing Eve
Posted - 2010.11.21 06:47:00 - [3]
 

1) Stopping the stupid spies stops 99.9% of spies.

2) Skill verification. It helps weed out applicants who don't meet a corp's minimum standards, i.e. the corps only accepts pilots who can at least run a decent tackler or such like. For corps with a more helpful bent, it allows them to give advice on where a new corp member can improve or direct them to train in areas the corp needs.

Vanguard Refueling
Posted - 2010.11.21 07:09:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Playing Eve
1) Stopping the stupid spies stops 99.9% of spies.

2) Skill verification. It helps weed out applicants who don't meet a corp's minimum standards, i.e. the corps only accepts pilots who can at least run a decent tackler or such like. For corps with a more helpful bent, it allows them to give advice on where a new corp member can improve or direct them to train in areas the corp needs.


see i could understand
1) if it wasn't stopping 99.9% of the spies that cause .1% of the damage,

2) are there REALLY that many people that say i have x skills and only have x/10 skills?

I guess I view asking for the limited api as the same as the US demanding people take off their shoes at airports

Levarr Burton
B0rthole
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.11.21 07:26:00 - [5]
 

A lot of larger corps and alliances also use the limited API to help manage back-end services like voice comms authentication, forum permissions, etc. You can set up an automated service to make sure everyone with permissions is still in-corp and authorized for whichever permissions. Once it's up and running, it's way easier than handling such things manually.

Max Cetera
Capital Researchs Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.21 07:29:00 - [6]
 

Also what's the problem of giving out a limited API Key. They'll just see your alts on that accounts, skills for all 3 chars, money in wallet and your standings.

And if you decide to leave the corp and don't want to spy your forum alts, you can reset API key Cool

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.21 07:35:00 - [7]
 

man? are you serious? or are you bringing up them for a discussion?

They want to see your wallet, location and skills trained. They have evil plans for it.

Secondly they also want to know your total assets and assign stupid tasks for you so you can loose money and Alliance leaders can gain some.

Finally the whole role-privilege model turns you into isk-grinding machine for the alliance as well as theft victim for some ill-natured corps.


Saduna Raptor
Posted - 2010.11.21 07:43:00 - [8]
 

An additional common useage is to check for inactivity.

Many alliances base alliance fees on member count, so any inactive members literally cost the corp money. This also tends to lead to corps limiting the number of alts in the corp, but I digress.

In this case, the ability of the limited api to show what a character is training is very handy. If you see someone not training a skill for a long period of time, you know they're inactive. Most corps tend to prune inactive characters, but when you're paying for them it's especially likely. A month or so is a fairly common grace period, and some corps will make exceptions if prior notice is given.

Merouk Baas
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.21 07:44:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Merouk Baas on 21/11/2010 07:46:59

A lot of corps and alliances have API integration into their forums. You get access automatically while you're in the corp, you get your access automatically taken away if you get kicked out. Forum/web admins don't have to manually add/remove your sorry ass. It's a godsend when your alliance is 50,000 people.

Also, API-to-killboard integration. Don't have to cut/paste your killmails, less faking them too.

EDIT: Levarr posted it already. Sorry.

Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2010.11.21 07:50:00 - [10]
 

My spies are skilled nicely, I put them in corp sometimes months before I declare war or do anything wrong with them.

Couple days ago I accidently sent one guy I had in an alliance isk with this character, hes been in there pristine condition, doing all the right alliance things, for 2 years...

Most of the time when I give api I never gets used anyway.

Only catches cheap spies. Better then nothing though.

Vanguard Refueling
Posted - 2010.11.21 07:56:00 - [11]
 

ok to respond, (if this gets people to stop asking for it ^.^), but

Opertone I think you're being sarcastic so i'll ^.^ at you :P

Cetera, I'm not saying there is a problem with giving it out, i'm asking "wtf is the point"?'

Mr. "reading rainbow" ...your name is 10x cooler than you probably are, but I understanding using the API for that, but I'm calling out the use of limited API's as a part of a resume. (my alt/main is a member of a..major alliance...that you are related to...dotdotdot so i get the use of an api for that)

Saduna, i consider that after the fact, since you can tell faster if i haven't logged in, in 20 days rather than i'm training jump calibration 5...

Merouk, you sorta go in with mr. "readin rainbow" and i understand that, but most people don't integrate that **** into any kind of forums and are just claim to be "spai checking". Also, given the killboard that i gathered from EVEdev, there is no reason to get a member's API for killboard usage, especially since a corp's director's api gives everything a killboard neds.

PS i appologize for the lowercase I's...but...meh shisno you :P




Vanguard Refueling
Posted - 2010.11.21 08:04:00 - [12]
 

I guess what i'm trying to say is, WTF does asking for the limited API actually do?

If it has to do with registering with out of game resources then why do you need it before he joins? If he refuses the limited API after (which BTW, dear christ as a computer major i laugh at the "zomg that's a security concern" people claim) then zomg kick.

Your corp is more likely to lose things from some trusted legitimate member you **** off who snaps one day.

The "spai" who is trying to infiltrate your alliance to get access to the "good stuff" won't get caught by limited API.


I guess a total drunken sidequestion: Why do people sit there and go "no i won't set your site to trusted, excuse me while i click this link my alliance gave me that sends me to a login page to EVE online"? (bonus points for people who give me reasons other than dumb shisnos)

Gravemind GER
Caldari
Fnord Works
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.11.21 08:25:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Gravemind GER on 21/11/2010 08:32:10
Edited by: Gravemind GER on 21/11/2010 08:28:53
only reason why they ask for API is that they wanna know what corp or alliance your alts are in. and regular SPAICHECK!!11!!11!!

Bloody SPAI! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEe7ek0NlJ0 Infiltrate mah Alliance!

its a huge security risk if you put one guy in your corp that doesnt give a API. most alliance forums are linked with the API, so if somebody leaves, API says its invalid and forums will kick him off or he will still have access and bloody infiltrate your intelligence!

Mme Pinkerton
The pink win
Posted - 2010.11.21 08:40:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Vanguard Refueling
The "spai" who is trying to infiltrate your alliance to get access to the "good stuff" won't get caught by limited API.

it has been mentioned before in this thread but let me repeat:

if you assume other people are intelligent or act rational and base your actions on that premise you won't last long in EVE.

Yes, you won't catch the good spies/thieves but you'll catch or deter the stupid ones.

And if an intelligent spy knows you don't do API checks you are a much more attractive target to him than another corp in the same alliance which does these checks - because the effort/cost to infiltrate you is lower.

API checks increase the required effort to infiltrate a corp and by doing that they already deter some potential infiltrators (because the effort/potential reward ratio no longer works out for them).

You'll also notice that many "serious business" corporations require full API keys for checks.


Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.21 08:46:00 - [15]
 

Just cause a fence is easy enough to climb over doesn't mean you're going to solely rely on it for protection nor does it make sense to remove it so just about anyone can walk straight in to your garden.

Max Cetera
Capital Researchs Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.21 09:18:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Vanguard Refueling
I guess what i'm trying to say is, WTF does asking for the limited API actually do?



Ah it's mostly around so corp has (maybe) 2 more character names to check your history with. Also check that's you have the skills you pretend too (i.e some PvP corp might require members to be able to fly a decent fleet BS) and also for the corp website probably.


Asuka Smith
Gallente
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Posted - 2010.11.21 09:26:00 - [17]
 

The reason people have to put their spies on a separate account is because of API. The goal of all security measures is ultimatly to eliminate all risk, but as that is impossible the practical use of all security is to make the barrier of entry high enough that you don't have to worry about casual danger.

Serious danger etc you fight with other means, but you want the barrier of entry for spying to be high enough that only your serious enemies have the will to do it, thus narrowing the field and helping you know who to look for when you are profiling for spies.

pegi 12
Posted - 2010.11.21 10:56:00 - [18]
 

corps that dont ask for my API and just assume that i'm a mining char soon find out that i dont really mine when i drop out of warp in there belt and blow up all there barges and orca's. If they did ask for my API they would soon figure out i'm not a miner coz i only have mining 1, so i do think there is some point to askin for an API even for a small corp.

and yes this is an alt.. on a seperate account Razz

Anna Grahm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.21 13:07:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Opertone
man? are you serious? or are you bringing up them for a discussion?

They want to see your wallet, location and skills trained. They have evil plans for it.

Secondly they also want to know your total assets and assign stupid tasks for you so you can loose money and Alliance leaders can gain some.

Finally the whole role-privilege model turns you into isk-grinding machine for the alliance as well as theft victim for some ill-natured corps.




For no other reason than this.

Sader Rykane
Amarr
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2010.11.21 17:20:00 - [20]
 

Limited? Full or GTFO, if you want in my corp I need to see everything.

AtheistOfFail
AoF Lottery Services
Posted - 2010.11.21 17:29:00 - [21]
 

Also allows you to catch people who are special. Caught someone with a 3b isk negative balance a while back cause he got caught buying ISK. He didn't make the cut Laughing

Miko Nguyen
Posted - 2010.11.23 00:38:00 - [22]
 

What do you do with just the key # and not the user id? Some people just give the key # but not sure where you plug that in? I use Evemon so I require both key and user id

Antithetos
Posted - 2010.11.23 06:53:00 - [23]
 

Skills.. they.. want to see your skills. To, you know, see if you're useful to them, or, you know, not.


???

Kraundewr
Posted - 2010.11.23 07:43:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Sader Rykane
Limited? Full or GTFO, if you want in my corp I need to see everything.


Sounds like she is a TSA employee to me Shocked

mmmPork
Posted - 2010.11.23 07:49:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Kraundewr
Originally by: Sader Rykane
Limited? Full or GTFO, if you want in my corp I need to see everything.


Sounds like she is a TSA employee to me Shocked


I hope he strips off my prostetic breast

Miss Connolly
Public Relations Corp
Posted - 2010.11.23 10:31:00 - [26]
 

Any serious corp will request your full API key and not the (worthless) limited one.

That already makes it much harder for a spy to be able to give his spying alt ISK and also allows you to monitor the members assets (corp theft prevention).

My corp doesn't give anyone roles or hangar access without having their full API key on record.

Of course if CCP wanted to they could finally give us proper tools for managing a corp and its members - but since corps are not really a core feature of this game I find it legitimate to still have the same crap tools as back in 2003. Oh wait...

Kate McCann
Posted - 2010.11.23 11:26:00 - [27]
 

I give my api key when they have handed over every one of their api keys.
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear, right?

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2010.11.23 12:32:00 - [28]
 

Catching stupid spies is the main reason. Plus taking a good look at your skills and considering if what the security officer sees and what he hears from you during the interview will add up.

Dont want to give limited api - then you dont need to. Empire is full of corps that dont ask one. The corp I'm in tho - no api - no entry.

So in summary main reason is security.

Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.11.23 12:47:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Vanguard Refueling
hrm....apparently the legitimate term to mean "slow" is filtered >.>


Well, that's foreigners for you.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2010.11.23 16:46:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Kate McCann
I give my api key when they have handed over every one of their api keys.
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear, right?


Sure. My suggestion would be to start your own corp then. Otherwise get used to rejection.

Personally, I suspect the OP was simply trying to figure out all the ways a limited API can be used so that he can become a better spy. You've all been very helpful. Very Happy


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