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Aamrr
Posted - 2010.11.21 03:19:00 - [1]
 

What it says on the tin. The idea of an ishtar scooting about at 500 m/s (the maximum speed of a tractor beam) with his sentries in tow is just too hilarious to pass up.

It would be a bit of a stealth marauder buff, though. Letting them use sentries a little more easily and whatnot.

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2010.11.21 09:40:00 - [2]
 

I haven't thought about whether it would be good or bad for the game, but the image of a running Ishtar with sentries following is hilarious. Very Happy

Ellistra
Posted - 2010.12.05 19:15:00 - [3]
 

interesting concept

klyeme
The Mind's Eye
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.12.06 02:21:00 - [4]
 

+1

Maz3r Rakum
Gallente
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2010.12.06 05:53:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Maz3r Rakum on 06/12/2010 06:15:50
supported. now you could make use of the small sentry dmg rig on the ishkur. lol now that would be a sight to see.

Jahpahjay
Posted - 2010.12.06 07:19:00 - [6]
 

100% supported. This would be strategically beneficial, but not OP, so why not? Especially since in order to have a tractor beam, the ship has to sacrifice a gun or missile--dps balance achieved.

Bobbeh
Minmatar
Navy of Xoc
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2010.12.06 09:54:00 - [7]
 

No, Simply Sentries are awesome and their Down Side is they dont move. If make them moveable what your gonna see is fast frigs towing t2 sentries around for an ishtar, or a carrier cause at least 1 of them will be able to keep 0 transversal. Sentries are Fine

and Marauders dont need a buff they are wicked already.

Imagine 10 dramiels towing 10 sentry 2's for a carrier thats barely off a pos shield.... They can cover the entire grid in second and get those drones into optimal quickly and move them quickly if they need to. This would completely Void the down side to sentries and therefore make them 0p

Spugg Galdon
Posted - 2010.12.06 10:46:00 - [8]
 

Ability to tractor beam sentry drones is a no for me.

However I have suggested that sentry drones be able to be recalled within drone control range but without a MWD (slow burn return) and must be redeployed from the drone bay. So no "Recall" -> "Cancel" -> "Attack" orders would work as a cheat to reposition them.

Cpt Cosmic
Posted - 2010.12.06 14:53:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Bobbeh
No, Simply Sentries are awesome and their Down Side is they dont move. If make them moveable what your gonna see is fast frigs towing t2 sentries around for an ishtar, or a carrier cause at least 1 of them will be able to keep 0 transversal. Sentries are Fine

and Marauders dont need a buff they are wicked already.

Imagine 10 dramiels towing 10 sentry 2's for a carrier thats barely off a pos shield.... They can cover the entire grid in second and get those drones into optimal quickly and move them quickly if they need to. This would completely Void the down side to sentries and therefore make them 0p

500 m/s is not "quickly" and you will only be able to target your own drones of course.

BTW sentries do have low tracking. moving them around will make them miss alot.

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2010.12.06 17:26:00 - [10]
 

Only ship I can see the benefit for this is a dread... except it doesn't have a spare high slot to stick a tractor so it wouldn't be able to utilize this. Okay, carrier/scarrier might find it useful for a POS shoot (and could potentially fit a tractor).

Bobbeh
Minmatar
Navy of Xoc
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2010.12.07 04:00:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
Originally by: Bobbeh
No, Simply Sentries are awesome and their Down Side is they dont move. If make them moveable what your gonna see is fast frigs towing t2 sentries around for an ishtar, or a carrier cause at least 1 of them will be able to keep 0 transversal. Sentries are Fine

and Marauders dont need a buff they are wicked already.

Imagine 10 dramiels towing 10 sentry 2's for a carrier thats barely off a pos shield.... They can cover the entire grid in second and get those drones into optimal quickly and move them quickly if they need to. This would completely Void the down side to sentries and therefore make them 0p


500 m/s is not "quickly" and you will only be able to target your own drones of course.

BTW sentries do have low tracking. moving them around will make them miss alot.


You missed the point completely, as most people do when defending their own idea.

Giving sentries the ability to move (in any way) voids their Biggest Draw back.

i mean you can already drop 1 sentry above a gate 1 below 1 on either side and one on the gate all 45 from you and engage anything on the gate and the chance the target will have high transveral for all of them is slim.
But now you want ishtars to beable to drag drones into place....

Basically you'll see Sentry ships go oo **** hes flying away from me tractor my drones and chase and when someone tackled him you just tell them to attack and untractor. When currently you'd have to fly back scoop em then pursue and then redrop and engage.

Conrad Makbure
Gallente
Teutonic Brotherhood
Posted - 2011.01.02 23:00:00 - [12]
 

I'd like to see this idea, sentry drones being tractorable for the sake of picking them up quicker. Heck, I wouldn't mind if they came "offline" (forced into passive or something) while in tractor and then back to normal when the tractor is off.

Rip Minner
Gallente
ARMITAGE Logistics Salvage and Industries
Posted - 2011.01.03 04:44:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Rip Minner on 03/01/2011 04:45:47
Originally by: Conrad Makbure
I'd like to see this idea, sentry drones being tractorable for the sake of picking them up quicker. Heck, I wouldn't mind if they came "offline" (forced into passive or something) while in tractor and then back to normal when the tractor is off.


This. I want a way to retrive my Senterys after a fight with out having to go all the freaking way back for them lol. No I dont want them to fire just to get back in my freaking drone bay.This should only be posable out side of combat as well.ugh

ghatu
Posted - 2011.01.03 20:13:00 - [14]
 

+1

They should be able to fire while being moved.

Don't forget:
  • Sentry drones suffer badly from tracking / transversal issues.

  • somebody has to sacrifice 5 high slots for this ability.

Xearal
Minmatar
SOL Industries
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.03 23:31:00 - [15]
 

So.. does that mean we'll see an ishtar/Noctis combo flying around?

Ishtar deploys sentries, and sets to assist/guard the noctis.
Noctis happilly tractors them around at 2km/s

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.01.04 09:52:00 - [16]
 

I'd rather give sentries a small return speed like 20m/s. So they are still stationary while attacking, but could be recalled by sieged dreads and triaged carriers after a bump.

Aphrodite Skripalle
Galactic Defence Consortium
Posted - 2011.01.04 13:30:00 - [17]
 

yes.

Ogogov
Gallente
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.01.04 15:57:00 - [18]
 

CCP have never been able to deal with the code complexity drones represent, which is why they don't work very well.

I kind of like this idea but on second thoughts... no, it's too open to abuse and exploits (like using a noctis or marauder etc.)

I think giving them a horrifically slow (5m/sec) thruster would be a good plan, but it would only work on return, and again I don't know if the code wouldn't make them attempt to head in the direction of their targets.

personally i just want focus fire to work and their targets to.. y'know.. stick.

Corian Teranos
Caldari
Joint Espionage and Defence Industries
Preatoriani
Posted - 2011.01.04 17:59:00 - [19]
 

you could make the tractor beams jam the drones untill it is turned off so they do not fire while moving that allows them to be moved but doesent let them fire while moving

LtGalerien
Gallente
Evil Syndicate
Posted - 2011.01.04 19:27:00 - [20]
 

Excellent idea ! Having a lot of trouble with my internet provider, internet says good by every hour or so, I couldn't agree more, especially with the price T2 drones cost...

Carver DiGriz
Agony Unleashed
Posted - 2011.01.04 20:05:00 - [21]
 

Not if they are controllable. However, make abandoned drones tractorable? Yes.

Maxsim Goratiev
Gallente
Imperial Tau Syndicate
POD-SQUAD
Posted - 2011.01.04 23:20:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Xearal
So.. does that mean we'll see an ishtar/Noctis combo flying around?

Ishtar deploys sentries, and sets to assist/guard the noctis.
Noctis happilly tractors them around at 2km/s


If you get some idiot deploying ishtar/noctos combo at you, you get a free 50 million kill on the noctis.

Yes you can drag them around, but it is not useful for anything except from not having to go 40 km to scoop them up.

And having 15 frigates dragging a carrier's sentries is not useful either, because damage output of an frigate is higher then that of a sentry gun, so the idea is dumb.
Just make all drones tractorable.

Goose99
Posted - 2011.01.05 19:48:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Maxsim Goratiev
Originally by: Xearal
So.. does that mean we'll see an ishtar/Noctis combo flying around?

Ishtar deploys sentries, and sets to assist/guard the noctis.
Noctis happilly tractors them around at 2km/s


If you get some idiot deploying ishtar/noctos combo at you, you get a free 50 million kill on the noctis.

Yes you can drag them around, but it is not useful for anything except from not having to go 40 km to scoop them up.

And having 15 frigates dragging a carrier's sentries is not useful either, because damage output of an frigate is higher then that of a sentry gun, so the idea is dumb.
Just make all drones tractorable.


Not true. One bonused sentry outdamage and far outrange one small gun. Not to mention it's not one sentry per frig, but several, and some frigs have more high slots than gun slots, which can be fitted with tractors but not guns. Btw, the noctis can be buffered pretty good, viable with logi.


 

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