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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus
Posted - 2010.11.20 09:36:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Salpad
Originally by: Draahk Chimera
Hate to be the one to tell you this. But gang links are utter crap when fitted to a ship that don't have the bonus to the bonus. What you want is either a Vulture or a Tengu. Best use a Mindlink as well.


The Nighthawk does have a bonus to gang links.

I don't like the Vulture. It's got silly gun hardpoints, instead of the missile launcher hardpoints that I know how to utilize.

How easy is a Tengu to fit, compared to a Nighthawk? I haven't got any Stratetic Cruiser skillz yet, but it's probably something I'll look into some time next year.



No it doesen't. It can fit one, it don't have the 3% or 5% bonus to effectiveness. I have been flying command ships in pvp a long time and I can tell you without those bonuses the gang link suck balls, you get like 1% bonus to all shield resists, whoptidoo. As an example, the claymore (witch was my preferred CS) with CS skill 4 and a mindlink I could get my friend's warp scrams to a whooping 28km (32 on a tier 1 ceptor). Now imagine that without the 3% bonus and mindlink.

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2010.11.21 02:20:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Salpad
Edited by: Salpad on 20/11/2010 08:32:48
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 20/11/2010 07:40:28
You DO NOT need shield power relay on a Nighthawk.



How much does your fit tank, measured in damage per second?

edit: And that's omnitank DPS I'm asking about, because as far as I'm informed, it's not possible to fit damage-specific hardeners agaist incursions.



Well, it have 422 against Guristas which is more than enough for Sanctums, Havens and 6/10 Guristas complexes (and enough for 8/10 if you know what you are doing). This fit is for 0.0 ratting, anomalies, complexes and mission running. For those things you don't need Shield Power Relays because they will only slow you down.

Now, Incursions and omni damage are a totally different thing. Personally, I wouldn't use passive NH for that, probably would think about active but not sure if I would use NH in the first place. Tengu seems like much more logical solution.

Mavnas
Posted - 2010.11.21 05:05:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Originally by: Salpad
Edited by: Salpad on 20/11/2010 08:32:48
Originally by: Antihrist Pripravnik
Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 20/11/2010 07:40:28
You DO NOT need shield power relay on a Nighthawk.



How much does your fit tank, measured in damage per second?

edit: And that's omnitank DPS I'm asking about, because as far as I'm informed, it's not possible to fit damage-specific hardeners agaist incursions.



Well, it have 422 against Guristas which is more than enough for Sanctums, Havens and 6/10 Guristas complexes (and enough for 8/10 if you know what you are doing). This fit is for 0.0 ratting, anomalies, complexes and mission running. For those things you don't need Shield Power Relays because they will only slow you down.

Now, Incursions and omni damage are a totally different thing. Personally, I wouldn't use passive NH for that, probably would think about active but not sure if I would use NH in the first place. Tengu seems like much more logical solution.


Well, except for the vulnerability to NOS/neuts. A big buffer/passive fit seems like it would work better for incursions tanking.

Sturmwolke
Posted - 2010.11.21 06:23:00 - [34]
 

Feedback posts on incursion sites makes one interesting point. The harder (Stronghold? or more) sites will alpha cruiser hulls and below. If these initial tests carry over to the final iterations, then we'll be looking at a lot of tear posts in GD by those folks that got alpha-ed.

I guess at this point in time, it's safe to say that if you're running an incursion site in a T3/HAC in a combat capacity, it's prudent to have a BS size buffer to help survive the alphas.

Mavnas
Posted - 2010.11.21 15:30:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Sturmwolke
Feedback posts on incursion sites makes one interesting point. The harder (Stronghold? or more) sites will alpha cruiser hulls and below. If these initial tests carry over to the final iterations, then we'll be looking at a lot of tear posts in GD by those folks that got alpha-ed.

I guess at this point in time, it's safe to say that if you're running an incursion site in a T3/HAC in a combat capacity, it's prudent to have a BS size buffer to help survive the alphas.


It seems that a passive shield tank might be the way to go since it combines a bigger buffer with lack of need for capacitor. It's almost like they want Caldari to be the one true PvE race...

Sturmwolke
Posted - 2010.11.21 17:13:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Sturmwolke on 21/11/2010 17:15:21

If you mean passive local tank as in CDFP and its derivatives, then not likely. These Incursion sites will be logistic centric - either RR, dedicated logistics or both. Best ships used depends on fleet makeup, but it will typically be armor heavy (because shield RR just kills CPU and there are no easy ways around that as opposed to PG).

So, it's definitely not Caldari (except when it comes to EW .. and Drakes). The most likely race that would come on top for Incursion is Minmatar, plenty of advantages there .. that is if you can keep their ships alive Smile

Mavnas
Posted - 2010.11.21 22:16:00 - [37]
 

One thing I was wondering about though was whether some sort of sniper setup could reduce the need for tanking/avoid a lot of the ECM or whether the Sanshas will start on top of you with you webbed/scammed or have crazy stupid speed for dictating range.

Regat Kozovv
Caldari
Alcothology
Posted - 2010.11.22 16:25:00 - [38]
 

While there are many good ways to fit a Nighthawk, I can't bring myself to buy one when the Drake will do everything it can (save for maybe shooting at small targets) at a fraction of the price.


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