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Marley Browning
Posted - 2010.11.15 11:46:00 - [1]
 

I have had enough of these patches like many other capsuleers. I propose that CSM should petiton ccp to roll back to pre-tyrannis. No one really cares all that much about PI, its a cool idea but its secondary to getting a stable client. How about you do some work on the mac client so that when I turn on audio so that I can hear my damage alarms, the game doesent crash while fighting npc's causing me to loose my ship. And to add insult to injury, some incompetent POS GM tells me there is no evidence in the "logs" (AKA I would have to actually do work to help you so go away) even when I offer to provide video evidence that it's a client issue. But that's another issue.

Tl;dr: Let's go back to dominion until ccp can get their **** together and make an expansion that doesn't need 5+ patches.

Extreme
Eye of God
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2010.11.15 14:49:00 - [2]
 

When one door closes another one opens.

Nuff said

(So i disagree with you)



Dlardrageth
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Posted - 2010.11.15 18:08:00 - [3]
 

Even if we assume that would fix all/most problems with current EVE, it would never happen. For a very simple reason. The pencilpushers at CCP would never allow it as it would create a massively negative PR for the company. The risk of appearing to be a company that totally screwed up the further development of their main product will be seen as way too risky. No matter how bad the actual "progress" turns out to be, the laws of "corporate management won't allow for it. Or in other words... welcome to 21st century capitalism. Razz

TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2010.11.15 18:22:00 - [4]
 

Now that the item IDs have all gone 64bit along with various other changes I doubt a rollback is technically an option without having to revert the database to a months old backup (which would be even worse than letting PI limp on till Incursions).

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.11.15 18:59:00 - [5]
 

If you were going to roll back why on earth would you choose Dominion?

FishermansFriend
Posted - 2010.11.15 21:51:00 - [6]
 

Well I think that the 64bit schema for database entries was a rather simple modification and could be applied do dominion. I think the roll back to dominion would be good because I felt it was "good enough" and an acceptable release. I agree with the fact the pencil pushers at ccp wouldnt be down for it. Maybe I was just hoping that CCP could put aside gaining money by adding new shiny things in the short run and focus on maintaining their subscription base in the long run. It's sad to say but I can picture a day in the not to distant future where people start quitting left and right which basically forms a cascading effect of rage-quits because MMO's are not fun to play by your self.

Gallians
Posted - 2010.11.16 00:15:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: FishermansFriend
Well I think that the 64bit schema for database entries was a rather simple modification and could be applied do dominion. I think the roll back to dominion would be good because I felt it was "good enough" and an acceptable release. I agree with the fact the pencil pushers at ccp wouldnt be down for it. Maybe I was just hoping that CCP could put aside gaining money by adding new shiny things in the short run and focus on maintaining their subscription base in the long run. It's sad to say but I can picture a day in the not to distant future where people start quitting left and right which basically forms a cascading effect of rage-quits because MMO's are not fun to play by your self.


I think you severly overestimate how much new people care about whether bittervets who hate everything and most of whose main contribution to the game is scams/suic/ganking/lulzdecs play or not.

Inb4 "Yeah Gallians, but there are some happy oldvets like T'Amber who make this game great". I somehow don't see those quitting cause there are too many shinnies and too many new people that don't like surprise buttsecs in high sec, tho.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.11.16 01:28:00 - [8]
 

OP- I dont know who you are, nor do i care who you are, but i am pretty sure you are an idiot, and know nothing of software development or have ever read a dev blog.

Marley Browning
Posted - 2010.11.16 04:34:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
OP- I dont know who you are, nor do i care who you are, but i am pretty sure you are an idiot, and know nothing of software development or have ever read a dev blog.


Well I never claimed to be involved with software development but I have read many dev blog's. I based my estimate on the 64 bit data base conversion timeframe which as far as my understanding goes was not a "huge" project. No need to be a **** about it, just let me know what you think about the proposal, not me. I don't care what you think about me.

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.16 11:25:00 - [10]
 

A rollback of the codebase is not technically feasible, according to CCP.

Even someone like me, who has been known to make outrageous "modest" suggestions from time to time, doesn't have the anodized titanium nuts to suggest they do that, even if I thought it was a good idea (which I don't). After 35 year in the software biz, the mere thought of rolling back my own code more than a day produces prodigious and persistent palpitations.

And you want 6 months? The poor bastards who greenlighted that decision would find themselves bound, gagged, loaded into an authentic longboat, doused in gasoline, launched into the nearest fjord, and given a traditional viking funeral. And that would be the lunchroom staff, giving them a quick and merciful death while the mob of outraged devs was distracted burning down CCP HQ.

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.11.16 12:30:00 - [11]
 

In my software development experience, rollbacks are for immediate reversion to a previous known working state--typically in response to a patch or something that utterly breaks critical functionality.

You don't rollback software to versions of six months or two years ago or whatever. It is completely non-feasible from both a technical aspect and due to the impact on users.

Think about that impact for a minute. Since it would be absolutely mind-bogglingly impossible to unravel all the interdepdencies and progress and gains and losses associated with player activity to cherry-pick the ones that "matter" and should be preserved, the only choice would be straightup rollback to an arbitrarily selected database state from the Dominion timeframe. That means that everything players have worked hard to build since then--alliances, corporations, sovereignty, POS's, agent standings, PI (as **** as it is), etc.--would all revert to what it was (or wasn't, because much of it didn't even exist in Dominion). Everyone loses everything they have gained since Dominion. That's just stupid, it is not possible to address that in a way that would satisfy the majority of players. Subscriptions would plummet as people rage-quit.

Look, as wanting as EVE is for iteration and polish of existing features, as unthrilled as some of us are about the direction CCP is taking it, as irritating as fleet lag is for some of you...you can still log in and have fun. The game works. Maybe not as good as it COULD work or as we wish it would work, but it works. And lately--at least in some areas--there has been really good focus and progress on some areas of the game that are crying for it.

Seriously, a rollback to a game-state of months/years ago is a suggestion that can't even be taken seriously. Not for something as humongous, ever-evolving, and interdependent as the EVE universe.

Marley Browning
Posted - 2010.11.17 01:01:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Mynxee


Look, as wanting as EVE is for iteration and polish of existing features, as unthrilled as some of us are about the direction CCP is taking it, as irritating as fleet lag is for some of you...you can still log in and have fun. The game works. Maybe not as good as it COULD work or as we wish it would work, but it works. And lately--at least in some areas--there has been really good focus and progress on some areas of the game that are crying for it.

Seriously, a rollback to a game-state of months/years ago is a suggestion that can't even be taken seriously. Not for something as humongous, ever-evolving, and interdependent as the EVE universe.



You have obviously have never used the mac client....

Trebor Daehdoow
Gallente
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.17 13:34:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Marley Browning
You have obviously have never used the mac client....


I use the mac client exclusively, and AFAIK Mynxee does as well.

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.11.17 19:50:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Scatim Helicon
If you were going to roll back why on earth would you choose Dominion?


this tbh ;p

Mynxee
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.11.18 18:57:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: Marley Browning
You have obviously have never used the mac client....


I use the mac client exclusively, and AFAIK Mynxee does as well.


Not exclusively and only for a year but yes I do use it.

Kariem Mahkasad
Minmatar
Star Frontiers
Ignore This.
Posted - 2010.11.22 12:52:00 - [16]
 

If we are going to discuss impossibilities I propose we roll back to Red Moon Rising, since I kinda missed it and there is that fun flash video about it. But let's take the idea a step further:

What if, bear with me, we could have Singularity rolled to different versions of the game. Like have Tyranis Week, and Revelations Fridays. It would be like time travel, but with game versions. You could go back to before there were even more than 20 ships, or play with that badass looking alpha UI we see sometimes!

Think of the unreachable possibilities!

Uronksur Suth
Posted - 2010.11.24 03:18:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Marley Browning
Originally by: Mynxee


Look, as wanting as EVE is for iteration and polish of existing features, as unthrilled as some of us are about the direction CCP is taking it, as irritating as fleet lag is for some of you...you can still log in and have fun. The game works. Maybe not as good as it COULD work or as we wish it would work, but it works. And lately--at least in some areas--there has been really good focus and progress on some areas of the game that are crying for it.

Seriously, a rollback to a game-state of months/years ago is a suggestion that can't even be taken seriously. Not for something as humongous, ever-evolving, and interdependent as the EVE universe.



You have obviously have never used the mac client....



Except they apparently do, and so do I, and I know it isn't nearly as bad as you make it seem. Admittedly it could be polished a bit, but it is just fine as is. Neutral


And roll-back? God, no. ugh

Dlardrageth
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Posted - 2010.11.24 16:06:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Kariem Mahkasad
[...]
Think of the unreachable possibilities!


Ya, like playing only on days that have EVE run in pre-nano-nerf state or even pre-NOS-nerf one. Ofc your SP would have to be rolled back as well then, right? Laughing


 

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