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Mentathiel
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.15 04:12:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Mentathiel on 15/11/2010 04:13:30
This is what I've come up with, but I was hoping that more input would help me make a better ship. Note, this fit would be used as possible solo gank, or as sniper support.

Gyrostabilizer IIx2
Tracking Enhancer II
Photonic CPU Enhancer I
Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II

Large Shield Extender II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

720mm Howitzer Artillery IIx5
Improved Cloaking Device II

Medium Projectile Ambit Extension IIx2
Medium Ancillary Current Router II

Subsystems
Adaptive Augmenter
Immobility Drivers
Power Core Multiplier
Covert Reconfiguration
Chassis Optimization



I'm still testing a few things out, but your input would be gratelly appreciated.

Havegooda
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.11.15 04:43:00 - [2]
 

My eyes. They burn.

Mentathiel
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.15 04:53:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Havegooda
My eyes. They burn.


I would appreciate constructive criticism.

Enduros
Desard's Nation
Cha0s Theory
Posted - 2010.11.15 05:13:00 - [4]
 

Wat is this I don't even...

Troll or did you ebay the toon?

Why the LSE if you have an armor sub?
What's the cpu mod for?
Sniping with cov-op sub? Why is this good?
Cov op sub but no cov op cloak?
This has like 62 km lock range, what are you gonna be sniping in this again?
You have grid issues but you fit 2 ambit rigs and a current router?
Your guns barely reach your lock range with long range ammo
Long webs on a sniper?

Basically it's all wrong, all of it.

Don't undock in this pls, the killmail is gonna be like a viral video...

Ti'jitsu
Gallente
Spais Of The Federation
Posted - 2010.11.15 05:16:00 - [5]
 

Honestly it is a bad fit. But you really need to decide what your going to do wwith it.

Sniper setup.. drop the plate and the LSE and the covert ops and go straight gank and speed. which means you can drop the expensive web as well if they get that close to you your allready dead.

Use tracking comps and sensor boosters in the mids. i wouldnt t2 rig it unless you have isk coming out of your nose. and pick better rigs. areator rigs or something.

Best bet is to get in pop off a shot at a small target and gtfo. this requires maximum dps and speed and a good pounce.

If your looking for a solo fit then its still all wrong. switch to ACs armor tank it for best tank or shield tank it for best dps. again switch the rigs. thats my opinion.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.15 05:37:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 15/11/2010 05:37:37
Subsystems

Adaptive Sheild
Tactical Target Network
Power Core Multiplier
Covert Reconfiguration
Chassis Optimization

5x 720mm Arty
1x Cov Ops
1x Something

1x Sebo
1x LSE
1x MWD
1x Disruptor
1X TC

3x Gyro's
1x DCU

I assume the plan is to uncloak and Alpha Frigs and Destroyers and Kill Tech 1 Cruisers and Haulers? Don't know if it will work but the Scan Res Sub and Sebo means you will definatly get lock...

Ti'jitsu
Gallente
Spais Of The Federation
Posted - 2010.11.15 05:52:00 - [7]
 

my only problem with the covert ops sub and cloak is the targeting delay.. you lose the element of surpise and you sacrifice dps because you can get more turrets and bonuses using the dps subsystem.

Mavnas
Posted - 2010.11.15 06:17:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Ti'jitsu
Honestly it is a bad fit. But you really need to decide what your going to do wwith it.

Sniper setup.. drop the plate and the LSE and the covert ops and go straight gank and speed. which means you can drop the expensive web as well if they get that close to you your allready dead.

Use tracking comps and sensor boosters in the mids. i wouldnt t2 rig it unless you have isk coming out of your nose. and pick better rigs. areator rigs or something.

Best bet is to get in pop off a shot at a small target and gtfo. this requires maximum dps and speed and a good pounce.

If your looking for a solo fit then its still all wrong. switch to ACs armor tank it for best tank or shield tank it for best dps. again switch the rigs. thats my opinion.


I don't know with that subsystem and heat, he can push that web's range past 45km. That might be the one thing that saves that failboat.

Mentathiel
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.15 07:04:00 - [9]
 

Well, no doubt you all figured that I'm either really stupid or new to Eve. Well, kinda thought of myself as having some knowledge, but guess not. I'm pretty new to Eve, couple weeks. Maybe a month at most.
I figured that using a Strategic Cruiser, with its ability to cloak would be a good way to get in position unnoticed and to provide some intel on positions to other targets while your group of buddies, or fleet follow behind. Once set in motion, you open up, they focus on you, but since you're all the way out there, they have to move in, then your fleet comes in. I thought that by adding armor and shield upgrades, it would help you survive until one of your fleet members took out whoever it was that got close enough to hit you. The Photonic CPU Enhancer was to increase the CPU a bit because it ran out of CPU for all the modules and stuff. Some of it I got off of a thread in eve-search names Arty Loki. Thought it might of been a good idea. But either it truly is a ******ed fit, or just a bunch of forum trolls spammed it. Not trying to insult anyone if they took offense to the forum troll thing. Just that some people do that.
Either way, I'm not much of a pilot, or fancy this sort of gameplay all that much. Too complicated for my taste. Which might transfer into lazyness, but that's just me. Gonna stick to XBox :P
So, as they say, fly safe o7

Kastsumi Kobayariel
Posted - 2010.11.15 07:09:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Mentathiel
Originally by: Havegooda
My eyes. They burn.


I would appreciate constructive criticism.


Your fit is all over the place. You are using an armor buffer and a shield buffer, you have the covert ops subsystem but your cloak is an Improved one, forcing you to waste a lowslot on a fitting mod, you are using falloff rigs on a weapons platform that relies on optimal and you are wasting a rig slot on a very expensive T2 ACR when a simple T2 Reactor Control Unit could be used, especially instead of that idiotic coproc. Is that constructive enough?

I'd say the idea, while sound, is doomed from the start. Making artilleries work on the Loki without the Turret Concurrence Registry subsytem isn't really possible. So either you go with the arty sub and suffer the lower scan res and recalibration, or you go with a covops cloak and lose out on tons of tracking, damage and range.

Alt Tabbed
Posted - 2010.11.15 11:05:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Mentathiel
Well, no doubt you all figured that I'm either really stupid or new to Eve. Well, kinda thought of myself as having some knowledge, but guess not. I'm pretty new to Eve, couple weeks. Maybe a month at most.
I figured that using a Strategic Cruiser, with its ability to cloak would be a good way to get in position unnoticed and to provide some intel on positions to other targets while your group of buddies, or fleet follow behind. Once set in motion, you open up, they focus on you, but since you're all the way out there, they have to move in, then your fleet comes in. I thought that by adding armor and shield upgrades, it would help you survive until one of your fleet members took out whoever it was that got close enough to hit you. The Photonic CPU Enhancer was to increase the CPU a bit because it ran out of CPU for all the modules and stuff. Some of it I got off of a thread in eve-search names Arty Loki. Thought it might of been a good idea. But either it truly is a ******ed fit, or just a bunch of forum trolls spammed it. Not trying to insult anyone if they took offense to the forum troll thing. Just that some people do that.
Either way, I'm not much of a pilot, or fancy this sort of gameplay all that much. Too complicated for my taste. Which might transfer into lazyness, but that's just me. Gonna stick to XBox :P
So, as they say, fly safe o7




Can I have your stuff?


Target Painter
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.26 05:21:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Mentathiel
theorycraft


It's not a bad plan because you are new. It's a bad plan because local exists and everyone knows you are there.

Quote:
But either it truly is a ******ed fit, or just a bunch of forum trolls spammed it.


It is a bad fit. I am not trolling at all. The severity of the responses is mostly due to the fact that most players that can fly a T3 know better. I honestly thought this was a troll thread and ignored it (and if it is a troll thread: 10/10).

Starting from the bottom.

Lows
Quote:
Gyrostabilizer IIx2
Tracking Enhancer II
Photonic CPU Enhancer I
Damage Control II
800mm Reinforced Steel Plates II


T2 plates are worse than meta 4 (reinforced rolled tungsten), they provide the same protection, but higher fitting requirements and a harsher speed/agility penalty. 800mm plates are kind of the bastard stepchildren of plates, in almost every case it's better to downgrade something else to fit on a 1600mm plate. A 1600mm plate and two trimarks is better than an 800mm plate and three trimarks.

Damage mods and TE are fine, DC2, almost always good, but armor loki is debately one of the times where it's better to go without in favor of another tank module instead.

Mids
Quote:
Large Shield Extender II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier


The LSE2 is wasted without core defense field extenders to boost the HP gain. Replace with a tracking computer to push out your effective range. The rest are fairly standard prop and tackle mods, no issues there, except I have to ask how far you plan to be fighting? No sense fitting a web/point (even if bonused/faction) if you're expecting to be hitting at 50km all the time.

Highs
Quote:

720mm Howitzer Artillery IIx5
Improved Cloaking Device II


These are fine.

Rigs
Quote:

Medium Projectile Ambit Extension IIx2
Medium Ancillary Current Router II


Ditch the Ambit extensions and replace with trimarks to boost your EHP to acceptable levels. On the plus side, it'll reduce the PG your arties take up, so you can fit that 1600mm plate.

Subsystems
Quote:
Adaptive Augmenter
Immobility Drivers
Power Core Multiplier
Covert Reconfiguration
Chassis Optimization


No issue here. You might see some hate for the prop sub, but pretty much none of the prop subs for a Loki are armor-tank friendly.

Quote:
Either way, I'm not much of a pilot, or fancy this sort of gameplay all that much. Too complicated for my taste. Which might transfer into lazyness, but that's just me. Gonna stick to XBox :P
So, as they say, fly safe o7


I would encourage you to stay with it (the game, not this fit), but to each his own. And all this being said, no one on this forum is paying for your ship, so do whatever the **** you want.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2010.11.26 07:43:00 - [13]
 

I'm going to back this terrible newbs fit up for him/her.

People joke about dual tank for a reason, but despite what your told it can work.
I would like to point out that rigs aside this fit has but one hardener, the damC, which is of course near mandatory anyways.

while he's well advised to focus on one or the other, i've definitely conducted business with what my corp mate thought were laughable tempests, phoons and hurricanes. i even joined an alliance after a break w/ the game by just picking a zero knot system, flying there, calling out a 1v1 cane fight and whole handily winning against what most here would call a superior cookie cutter setup. convo's were had and well you get the idea

took 4 ravens and a tempest vs a cookie ac/shield buffer pest buddy and my dual buffer tank fleet pest

they'll laugh and call me crazy, but a smart and successful dual tank is not just a matar work of art, it's our special little secret. it allows you to take a bit more advantage of the split slot layout. (what advantage there is to be had)

be sure to use those slots your sparing for damage amplifiers. that means tracking mods, target painters, whatever cuts the cheese w/ your particular ship and setup. use rigs (in t3 case systems) that benefit damage or other abilities. if you commit to a low slot count, moderate (but face it light) dual tank, you need to focus on your other abilities.

i'm not going to eft but for this boat i'd lose the web if i'm mwding and find a way to drop that cpu for 3 faction gyros. the webs mid could be another extender? a painter? i dunno it needs work but it's not undoable


Dr Fighter
Posted - 2010.11.26 10:08:00 - [14]
 

Why cloak?

seriously.

If you uncloak you have a 6 second penelty, most of the time misisng what your going for as they are often smaller and faster than you anyway.

Covops sub has a rof bonus to the guns, on artys so only as much volly as.... a maller with 5 guns lol

Just pinting out that you will need a faster lock and a better sub to do any serious volly at range.

Yes i fly a loki and no its not a cloaki

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.26 10:15:00 - [15]
 

OP, your fit is terrible.

Not being mean, but I am being honest.

I suggeest you try the Hurricane for a few weeks, then maybe a vagabond. Going straight for a loki with no clue whatever is like seting sail for fail. You only set yourself up for a huge loss.

here, try this first, and build form there:

[Hurricane, Cane]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Medium Energy Neutralizer II
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I


Valkyrie II x1
Hobgoblin II x4


When you actually ge teh mechnincs of what makes a ship good or bad, then consider getting a loki.

fivetide humidyear
Gallente
Fool Mental Junket
Posted - 2010.11.26 10:26:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: fivetide humidyear on 26/11/2010 10:27:22
excellent advice above to get more actual flying practice for cheap ships, but to be slightly on topic heres the basics of a setup i use for tackling in places where local isn't so much of an issue, where the dps from the NPC's can be a problems and my gang is on the way. mids and lows change situationally, I tend to carry the spares in cargo

[Loki, cloki loki ACi]
Damage Control II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Local Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I
Local Hull Conversion Nanofiber Structure I

Large Shield Extender II
Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner
Invulnerability Field II
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Loki Electronics - Immobility Drivers
Loki Defensive - Warfare Processor
Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst


Target Painter
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.26 11:20:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: fivetide humidyear
snip



Whats up with the t1 nano?

fivetide humidyear
Gallente
Fool Mental Junket
Posted - 2010.11.26 13:25:00 - [18]
 

not a lot, they are probably left on from a previous structure tanking fit Wink

or i swapped inertial stabilisers which are better as local than t2 and forgot that for nanofibres


Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.11.26 13:44:00 - [19]
 

If your knowledge is limited i would definatly try out cheaper ships first such as the hurricane and vaga, see what playstyle you prefer, then fit the Loki accordingly.

Ahz
Posted - 2010.11.26 19:14:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Mentathiel
I'm pretty new to Eve, couple weeks. Maybe a month at most.
How are you in a Loki?

Cruiser V takes a month to train all on its own.

Unless you bought this character it should take you maybe six months to fit and fly a strategic cruiser. Not to mention the isk to buy one in the first place.

Worst experience you can have in Eve is to push yourself into a ship you're not ready for / can't afford. You'll just blow up in it and you won't be able to figure out why.

Rifter, Stabber, Rupture for the first three months. Maybe longer.

Jaguar, Cyclone, Hurricane after that.

If you're still playing after six months maybe T3 will make sense.


 

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