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Miko Nguyen
Posted - 2010.11.15 04:07:00 - [1]
 

One thing I notice (from reading the Recruitment forum) is that there are more and more WH corps and people who want to join a WH corps.

Now from what I understand, if done improperly, a malcontent can ruin an entire WH POS and screw everyone over. So my question is, is it really prudent for WH corps to recruit that many people to their team because of this? And the more people you have inside the WH, the less money that goes to everyone involved. It seems like alot of applicants want to get on the bandwagon to me expecting for a good WH corp to accept them.

Tameris Khan
Posted - 2010.11.15 06:58:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Miko Nguyen
Now from what I understand, if done improperly, a malcontent can ruin an entire WH POS and screw everyone over. So my question is, is it really prudent for WH corps to recruit that many people to their team because of this?


So do it properly? In addition to proper role management you form an alliance and give each corp its own POS to limit damage. Given the huge turn over in isks the ammount of damage a single member can do is limited to perhaps stealing a few ships and is a drop in the proverbial ocean.

Besides that there's a high turn over of people (at least in my corp) we boot many members as too many people are simply useless. Things we boot people for:


  • Logging in and AFK all day at POS

  • Not scanning

  • Spending most of their time in highsec

  • Not scanning

  • Lol fittings and refusal to accept guidance/help with fittings

  • Not scanning

  • Being alts of hostiles

  • Not scanning

  • Not reading the extensive survival guide on WH mechanics we have

  • Not scanning

  • Doing nothing but mining ABCs and making no attempt to train or involve in other activities

  • Logging in, doing PI, logging off every damn day of the week



So all in all recruits that make a worthwhile addition to the team are around 1 or 2 in 10.

Originally by: Miko Nguyen
And the more people you have inside the WH, the less money that goes to everyone involved. It seems like alot of applicants want to get on the bandwagon to me expecting for a good WH corp to accept them.


Isk is made in your static wormhole, not the home wormhole. You can collapse this as often as you like, takes less than 15 minutes with an orca and a BS. In one system we occupy our record is collapsing the static 17 times in a day as we had a 25-30 man gang of T3s split into 2 wings clearing all combat and profession sites in them within an hour on average. The more we are, the more isks we make, faster and safer.

TriadSte
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.15 11:12:00 - [3]
 

I think It's safer to do this:

Have the corp in split sides

1. WH side

2. High/low sec side

After X amount of time in corp your allowed into WH. After all time served = trust [mostly] and yes it is easy as pie for a corpie to launch ships from an array and have some one come pick them up if they know the POS Shield password.

sasuk
Gallente
New Eden Construction Holdings
Posted - 2010.11.15 11:29:00 - [4]
 

hope this helps a little......

as a WH ceo, number one thing you should have is a holding corp as well as your main corp.. so when your main corp has its pos in the wh you can put up a second small tower with the corps assets in that only the ceo can access and only place the players stuff in the main pos, that way it reduces the amount of stuff's that the pesky spys and robbers can run off with.

as a rule if a corp gets ripped off its the ceo 's stuff that gose and mostly they get away with it, but if its the players stuff they tend to hunt down the robbers.....Shocked
this is just one way to reduce the risk

Asarus Atreyu
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2010.11.15 12:12:00 - [5]
 

We minimise the risk of theft by using a Tier system for our ship hangers. This means that any thief can only steal a handful of ships at a time.

Don't get me wrong, theft is a constant battle out here, all my members are aware that anything they're not piloting can be stolen at any time, but thankfully, we've never had a high-ranking member go rogue.

Plus, the moment any member goes AWOL for over a month (or simple isn't very active) they get booted as a potential security risk. Even making jokes about theft can be hazardous to your hanger access rights..

Aelius
Caldari
Mnemonic Enterprises
Dark Matter Coalition
Posted - 2010.11.15 12:46:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Aelius on 15/11/2010 12:46:39
One things that ccp is long overdue is the complete revamp of roles, functioning and overall utilization of POS.

As they are now they are a complete mind gobbling piece of cluster****, from pos shooting high standing players without any reason, ejecting ships at highwarp from inside the shields to the lack of divisions on ship arrays... the list go on and on.

You really need an EVE masters degree to put one of them working at a reasonable threshold.Confused

Vahz Zhul
Navy of Xoc
Posted - 2010.11.15 16:43:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Aelius
Edited by: Aelius on 15/11/2010 12:46:39
One things that ccp is long overdue is the complete revamp of roles, functioning and overall utilization of POS.

As they are now they are a complete mind gobbling piece of cluster****, from pos shooting high standing players without any reason, ejecting ships at highwarp from inside the shields to the lack of divisions on ship arrays... the list go on and on.

You really need an EVE masters degree to put one of them working at a reasonable threshold.Confused



I second this. CCP REALLY needs to work on this. The lag beast will always be there, but being able to secure your POS is well overdue.

trevormax
Posted - 2010.11.15 17:48:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: trevormax on 15/11/2010 17:48:44
Corp members screwing over the corp is one thing, directors screwing over the corp is another. For details, see this tale of woe

Having the ability to restrict all members to particular tabs in the hangar (so each member gets a secure tab say for their ships) would be pretty good. Some corps seem to be restricting new corm members to a newbie tab until they can be trusted which seems like a good idea for starters.


Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.11.15 17:57:00 - [9]
 

The corp role system is awful, plain and simple.

As to new wh corps, etc as the OP asked, I suspect many fail to launch, they likely have a corp that will one day more into the wh ...

and they languish.

Abuelo
Posted - 2010.11.15 18:03:00 - [10]
 

Agree... The current role system is a mess which probably prevents a lot of wh corps from expanding.

Ghoest
Posted - 2010.11.15 18:18:00 - [11]
 

CCPs refusal to improve role and access control and the refusal to create a cooperate exchange is just sad.

Deanne Sheriff
Gallente
Big Japan
Posted - 2010.11.16 18:52:00 - [12]
 

With 2499 (weird number) WHs in the EVE universe, is there still decent real estate for corps to move into empty WHs from C2 and above? Not sure sure what kind of numbers are available?

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2010.11.16 20:22:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Deanne Sheriff
With 2499 (weird number) WHs in the EVE universe, is there still decent real estate for corps to move into empty WHs from C2 and above? Not sure sure what kind of numbers are available?

Yes.

There are numerous empty systems, and many with dead towers (no force field active).

If it has a hisec static, it is probably occupied. If it has a lowsec or nulsec static, it is probably empty. If it only has a static to another w-space system, then it is usually empty.

Erm... on second thought... it is full! Stay out of my w-space! Very Happy

Lady Ayeipsia
Posted - 2010.11.16 20:42:00 - [14]
 

Also, generally, the proper way to run a wormhole POS isn't to run only the sites in your wormhole. What you want is a wormhole with 2 statics... one leading to some form of empire space, one leading to another wormhole of a class your corp can handle. For example, a you have your POS in a class 2 WH with a hi sec exit and a class 4 exit. You run sites in the class 4 for profit as a corp. You leave the ones in your system generally alone, save for mining ones maybe. That way, your loot comes from a source that isn't static to you like your wormhole space is.

Boltorano
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
Posted - 2010.11.16 20:43:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Tameris Khan


  • Logging in and AFK all day at POS

  • Not scanning

  • Not scanning

  • Not scanning

  • Not scanning

  • Not scanning

  • Doing nothing but mining ABCs and making no attempt to train or involve in other activities

  • Logging in, doing PI, logging off every damn day of the week





Are you in my corp/alliance and/or me? Shocked


 

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