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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.11.11 20:33:00 - [91]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 11/11/2010 20:40:53

Originally by: Aylara
Originally by: Xanaan Zenithdul
EVERYONE IN THIS PLANET CAN AFFORD THAT! EVERYONE!

Excuse me for the offtopic, but I' certain that more than half of the world population don't make that amount in a month.

Then you'd certainly be wrong, if by that you meant working population.
Even in China the normally practiced minimum wages are nearly one order of magnitude above that level in most urban areas. India is slightly better than that in raw amounts, but China is better off in purchase power parity, AFAIK. And that's already one third of the world's population right there.
The only people that might fit the profile for "under 15$ in a month" could be rural workers from Africa and some Asian countries.

Of course, if you meant out of the entire population, then yeah, you're probably right... kids don't exactly earn much cash, unemployed people are notorious for not earning much moolah either, and not everybody has an actual income after retiring.
And also, if you meant, not many people have that much disposable income, then again, you're most likely right.
Still... EVE players account for at most 0.005% of the world's population, so it's not like it really matters how much somebody without access to running water or indoor plumbing, let alone internet access is earning.

Geanos
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Posted - 2010.11.11 22:29:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: Geanos on 11/11/2010 22:30:58
Ah, forget about it, I should stop wasting time here.

Aylara
Posted - 2010.11.11 22:42:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Aylara on 11/11/2010 22:44:43
Me too.

xavier69
Gallente
Stark Enterprises LLC
Posted - 2010.11.12 01:07:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: xavier69 on 12/11/2010 01:19:47



This is like the only mmo I can play with my limited time

To those who cant believe how much dough Im rolling in

ROFL as if Id care wtf you belive

Pretty much donít give dam till next expansion and if PI isnít fixed I wont give dam period about this game


Draco Carollis
Amarr
The Dead Canary Mining Corporation
Talos Coalition
Posted - 2010.11.12 01:57:00 - [95]
 

Hmm...

Good Aussie dollar rate, high plex price...Very HappyVery HappyVery Happy

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2010.11.12 02:41:00 - [96]
 

I can confirm that this claim has been made over and over again since I started playing and plex prices were 150mil/30 days.

Only change that I can really blame CCP for was the switch over to 60 day GTCs (the 60 day codes cost about the same as the old 90day ones did) and that change was made quite a while ago.

Varesk
Gallente
Maelstrom Crew
Posted - 2010.11.12 03:22:00 - [97]
 

15 bux

Annabel Katt
Posted - 2010.11.12 03:49:00 - [98]
 

Just to put that into perspective...

Here in Australia a PLEX costs about $15

I am retired (over 65yo) on a Government pension worth about 80 PLEX a month

The average Rent is 10 PLEX a week

Broadband costs 4 PLEX a month

A Phone line rental is 2 PLEX a month

A major AAA game costs 6 PLEX and rarely is good enough to last more than a couple of weeks.

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Don't worry, soon Eve will cost less than a loaf of bread.

It already does:
My own Bread bill is at least worth 2 PLEX a month.

Captain Tupolev
Posted - 2010.11.12 03:53:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK
What the hell is happening with PLEX prices?
388MIL Minimum WTF!
7 months ago they were just 265MIL

This is not INFLATION this is exploiting those that need them!!!

PURE GREED IS WHAT IT IS!!!
Do you PLEX traders realise that people are 'stopping' playing EVE due to this "I know of 5 people alone, and I aint that popular, I dread to think of actual total"
Unless you are prepared to play the game of a minimum of 5 nights a week for at least 3 hrs then u just cant earn the ISK to buy them anymore! You are just spoiling the game for MANY, we do have real life issues to deal with aswell!

YES this is a whine! so please dont post any dumb replies stating so!!

Those that will say "Leave the game then, we dont care, we wont miss you, who cares etc etc" are probably those that macromining with 3 alts and dont need to worry anyway, so please dont bother with your aggressive replies, this is post for whiners!!! Go Macro!

Cummon CCP this is getting out of hand!!, I have already lost 1 alt for this reason and dont want to have to unsub my 2nd alt account!

THIS IS NO DIFFERENT FROM SCAMMING PEOPLE IN JITA!!!!

Wait for it, "Well if people are stupid enough to pay for PLEX at those prices then we are just going to continue increasing the prices" YES you are the problem here so GFYS!


All due respect dude, if you can't afford to pay with real money don't play at all. This game is build on supply and demand and right now the demand for plex are high and the supply is low. Lots of people want to play via Plex but you can only buy so many a month so. Save 14 bucks for a month for when you can't get a plex due to price or lack of supply.

Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.11.12 04:24:00 - [100]
 

brb selling some plex's while the markets high.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.11.12 06:34:00 - [101]
 

6/10 troll

Prose was convincingly like a real moron who blew a few neurons !

A little too much redundancy and too even in it's rage start to finish.

cpu939
Gallente
Volatile Nature
White Noise.
Posted - 2010.11.12 07:16:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: XEcuTioneRUK
Quote:
Get a job. Seriously. Grow some balls.

I actually run my own business and earn good money thankyou, but things are a bit tight.

I'm done ...way to many twa*ts here

o/



ok to start yes i play the game via plex have done so for almost 3 years now.

with that out the road i do know where you are coming form but with the world market the way it is and plex being an rl transaction to in game item do you not think that less people will be buying them?

Then there is plex traders they put buy orders up at 360-370m buy the plex, sell at 380-390m.(hint hint for lower cost plexes)

the market is open in this game, maybe once you business is doing better you'll buy gtc and convert them to plex and sell them at 280m isk?

Zedic
Amarr
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2010.11.12 08:05:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Eleknar
CCP will not, and should not, step in and do ANYTHING with the market. EVE's economy is very complex and in many ways mirrors many real-life free-trade economies. Prices will go up with demand and will drop as demand drops. Market fluctuation is completely normal. PLEX prices are indeed quite high right now and, as you stated, most people cannot afford PLEX at their current prices. Well, if this is the case, then the high-priced PLEX will not sell which will force PLEX sellers to reduce prices so that folks will buy them again. Prices will normalize, it just takes time. But to call for CCP to step in because something costs more than you can afford is just ridiculous.


This. Sweet Jesus, This.

They have a real life Economist FFS. I'm pretty sure they know WTF they are doing which is: nothing! Nor should they. The economy in eve is very complex, and it behaves just like our RL economies. Again for those who are wringing their hands: You might have to fork over $15 next month, or if none of you buy these "expensive" PLEX then ~wonder of wonders~ the prices will fall. Magic!

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2010.11.12 08:31:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Zedic

This. Sweet Jesus, This.

They have a real life Economist FFS. I'm pretty sure they know WTF they are doing which is: nothing! Nor should they. The economy in eve is very complex, and it behaves just like our RL economies. Again for those who are wringing their hands: You might have to fork over $15 next month, or if none of you buy these "expensive" PLEX then ~wonder of wonders~ the prices will fall. Magic!

So in other words: The OP is a filthy socialist because he wants to fiddle with the free market. Laughing

Hemp Invader
Inverted Worlds
Posted - 2010.11.12 09:09:00 - [105]
 

Instead of trolling / acusing somebody of trolling, we could start to think for a bit to identify the problem.

When did the plex start to rise?
I for one remember when PI came along.
If plexes started to rise when PI came along, what increased the ammount of isk generated in the expansion?
Obviously PI.
Why did this happen?
Because PI can easily be macro-ed !

Just my 2 cents.

Khanaris Asgarth
Eternium Industries
Posted - 2010.11.12 09:47:00 - [106]
 

Think about this OP. What do you want. A price fix on plex? If that was to happen supply would drop drastically.

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2010.11.12 10:08:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Hemp Invader
Instead of trolling / acusing somebody of trolling, we could start to think for a bit to identify the problem.

When did the plex start to rise?
I for one remember when PI came along.
If plexes started to rise when PI came along, what increased the ammount of isk generated in the expansion?
Obviously PI.
Why did this happen?
Because PI can easily be macro-ed !

Just my 2 cents.


Now you're just jumping to conclusions.
When PI was introduced, the ISK sink for trade goods disappeared, and instead the ISK went directly to other players. This means there is much more ISK circulating now, so obviously there will be more people wanting to use their newly-aquired riches on things like PLEX.

Not that PI couldn't be remade to be less friendly to macros, but don't blame it all on the gold farmers.

Jaari Val'Dara
Caldari
Deep Space Nomads Corp
Posted - 2010.11.12 10:30:00 - [108]
 

A little off topic, but europeans pay 15 euros, so that is more and that sucks big time. It's good thing plexes costs the same to us all, no matter how high it gets.

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
Posted - 2010.11.12 10:55:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Plocsk
Check out my prediction lol!
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4069/5166404291_f6c156ed5d_b.jpg

Image changed to URL, as per the forum rules. StevieSG.

THIS LOOKS SHOPPED / I CAN TELL FROM SOME OF THE PIXELS AND FROM SEEING QUITE A FEW SHOPS IN MY TIME.

ishi ryu
Minmatar
Atlantic Solutions
Posted - 2010.11.12 10:57:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Xanaan Zenithdul[/quote
This game costs 15 euros per month! 15!!!!

EVERYONE IN THIS PLANET CAN AFFORD THAT! EVERYONE!


shows how little you know about this planet you a**hat

oww and plex prices ???

  • since CCP still plays that 15 $ = 15 Ä trick i cba to pay with RL cash anymore

  • i have all i want ingame, can afford to lose it all a few times and still have
    a good deal of isk left so why on earth should i bother to spend cash ???
    and no, i'm not online 23/7...then again i'm really not whining about plex prices,
    they are just a monthly cost like my poses, calculated upfront

knobber Jobbler
Holding Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.12 11:01:00 - [111]
 

A 30 day timecode/plex should be more like 400m ISK. 2 characters who've done research agents can make this through data cores every month without even playing the game.

All I read is how easy ISK is to farm and people can make 100m an hour. In that case it's not to much to ask to pay something more reasonable.


Peter XZ
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.12 11:04:00 - [112]
 

When Plex gets to a Billion isk, , ppl will be whining bout the "good ol days " when it was 390 mil. Save yourself the trouble, buy every Plex in Jita , sell in a year and you'll be set!

Hemp Invader
Inverted Worlds
Posted - 2010.11.12 11:04:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Illwill Bill


Now you're just jumping to conclusions.
When PI was introduced, the ISK sink for trade goods disappeared, and instead the ISK went directly to other players. This means there is much more ISK circulating now, so obviously there will be more people wanting to use their newly-aquired riches on things like PLEX.

Not that PI couldn't be remade to be less friendly to macros, but don't blame it all on the gold farmers.


Now the thing is, that PI can be so efficiently macro-ed for the following reasons:

-takes 6 days to create a char from scratch and make it uber PI farmer
-you can make 3 chars per account only to farm PI.
-hisec 30 minutes cycle is 0.0 1 day cycle or something close.
-well...clickfest
-clickfest in an organized manner.
-<troll>ice mine + PI management = 15 mil an hour </troll?

It's not a matter of more isk circulation, the isk sink of "buy from npc" was replaced with an isk faucet. So instead of adding an isk faucet, they added 1 with a double effect.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2010.11.12 11:39:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Hemp Invader

It's not a matter of more isk circulation, the isk sink of "buy from npc" was replaced with an isk faucet. So instead of adding an isk faucet, they added 1 with a double effect.


PI is not an ISK faucet, it is in fact an ISK sink. It IS a materials faucet. Materials that are traded for ISK that are not other wise put into the sink which was removed.

Zedic
Amarr
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2010.11.15 11:42:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Illwill Bill
Originally by: Zedic

This. Sweet Jesus, This.

They have a real life Economist FFS. I'm pretty sure they know WTF they are doing which is: nothing! Nor should they. The economy in eve is very complex, and it behaves just like our RL economies. Again for those who are wringing their hands: You might have to fork over $15 next month, or if none of you buy these "expensive" PLEX then ~wonder of wonders~ the prices will fall. Magic!


So in other words: The OP is a filthy socialist because he wants to fiddle with the free market. Laughing


If he were a filthy socialist, I would ask him is a/s/l because I too, am a filthy socialist. And I'm also an American. YARRRR!!

Jennifer Starling
Amarr
Posted - 2010.11.15 11:44:00 - [116]
 


This thread only proves that microtransactions will be popular.

Kira Sosuke
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.15 11:54:00 - [117]
 

you know i have this serious feeling that CCP just reads our threads and LOL's.

honestly it doesn't matter what any of us say. no matter how long threads are or how big the outcry is, CCP is just going to do what CCP wants.

CCP is going to do what makes them money and thats all there is to it. We all do the same thing in the game world, we're all trying to make trillions of isk. Well they're trying to make millions of euro's. You cant blame 'em. It's human nature to want more once you already have some.

honestly these forums are just for us to talk to eachother in. spamming to ccp wont do much. they got their plans to do so and so. and their going to happen whether a few hundred of us dont like it or not. honestly most of the ppl in game don't care about micro-transactions. i for one don't care at all. many ppl who dont even read the forums arent even aware of it and never will care.

whatever happens, happens. none of us really affect the game to the extent you wish we did. ccp will do what they want, they own the game they can do however they want with it. the same way a person owns a house and they can customize it however they want.

if you dont like the way they are designing the game, gtfo. this game is plenty crowded as it is. the less players the better for me, ie, more officer loot for me, hell yeah. Cool

and as far as pvp goes..i wouldnt mind blob warfare to end either, lol. so just gtfo if u dont like ccp's house. it's their place, they'll do as they please. you can join in or not, up to you. no one cares really, lol.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.11.15 12:29:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Jennifer Starling
This thread only proves that microtransactions will be popular.
That's why they're such a spectacularly bad idea.

Muul Udonii
Minmatar
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.11.15 13:58:00 - [119]
 

Good Lord, is this thread still going.

If you get paid $15 an hour to work; you are basically paid 1 plex per hour.

Work harder -> get paid more -> earn more isk at a rate you can't possibly achieve in game.


Do you play the game to earn ISK, or earn ISK to play the game?


Lessoroz
AQUILA INC
Posted - 2010.11.15 14:00:00 - [120]
 

tl;dr people complaining about the free market of eve who should go back to grinding in WoW


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