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Ingole
Posted - 2010.11.11 02:23:00 - [1]
 

I love the EVE community and I really enjoy looking through the forums regularly but I must say that it seems like every other post in the General Discussion section is some kind of complaint about how CCP is a complete failure or something needs to be fixed. Is EVE, and or CCP, really that screwed up or do folks just like complaining? I would never let the complaints of some random dude cause me to quite the game but it is discouraging to see folks constantly crying about something. I really don't like logging into the forums just to see yet another complaint. Even if the game/CCP isn't broke seeing so many people whining makes me feel like I should be worried about the future of this game. Do I need to be worried or can I just ignore 95% of these folks?

Jon Martial
Caldari
August Limited
Posted - 2010.11.11 02:28:00 - [2]
 

Yes

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.11 02:34:00 - [3]
 

Ignore 95%

Every MMO has bugs. EVE is overly laggy do to the single server and the size of the larger fights. This is expected and if you read the Dev Blogs they are working hard at fixing it.

Other whines are from people who refuse to addapt to game play. Even if there are counters to the problem they refuse to use the system.

Game is fun, every MMO has bugs.

Ingole
Posted - 2010.11.11 02:41:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Ignore 95%

Every MMO has bugs. EVE is overly laggy do to the single server and the size of the larger fights. This is expected and if you read the Dev Blogs they are working hard at fixing it.

Other whines are from people who refuse to addapt to game play. Even if there are counters to the problem they refuse to use the system.

Game is fun, every MMO has bugs.



Thanks for the bit of encouragement. I know a lot of folks are simply looking for something to complain about it just seems like there is no end to it and, frankly, I'm sick of these folks.

chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.11.11 02:44:00 - [5]
 

Bug wise - every MMO has some bugs. But what CCP are horrible at is balancing - they will leave something in a broken state for 2-3 years before buffing/nerfing it, and that's very frustrating for those who like to steer away from FOTM.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.11 02:45:00 - [6]
 

Your two options are not mutually exclusive.

CCP has made a fair few miserable blunders, and MMO players are known for their perpetual whining. A lot of the whining is justified. Some isn't. You can usually judge how justified whining is by how many people are doing it.

Bhattran
Posted - 2010.11.11 04:15:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Ingole
I love the EVE community and I really enjoy looking through the forums regularly but I must say that it seems like every other post in the General Discussion section is some kind of complaint about how CCP is a complete failure or something needs to be fixed. Is EVE, and or CCP, really that screwed up or do folks just like complaining? I would never let the complaints of some random dude cause me to quite the game but it is discouraging to see folks constantly crying about something. I really don't like logging into the forums just to see yet another complaint. Even if the game/CCP isn't broke seeing so many people whining makes me feel like I should be worried about the future of this game. Do I need to be worried or can I just ignore 95% of these folks?


Don't be worried, be happy, there isn't anything you can do about it anyway, either it is all going to be okay or it isn't there isn't one goddamn thing you can do about it. Razz

Remember ignorance is bliss.

chriskun
Posted - 2010.11.11 04:25:00 - [8]
 

personally, I love CCP, and think they're doing an awesome job. The regular forumers are only a fraction of the playerbase and of course people are always going to focus on, highlight, and accentuate the negative aspects, but nothing's perfect.

Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.11.11 04:33:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Cyprus Black on 11/11/2010 04:34:24
It's really not that broke. Sure every "expansion" that comes out is broken, and sure CCP is notorious for abandoning them after release, but the core game mechanics are almost always working.

If CCP were building a car they'd have the bare bones stuff correct. Engine, transmission, wheels, frame and all, but they don't really have anything else right.

Seats? Nope.
Steering wheel? Most of it is there.
Interior? Mix matched parts from various makes and modals jimmy rigged and bolted in.
Paint job? They started but ran out of paint a third of the way in and gave up.
Hub caps? Paper plates glued in place.

The car runs and it does get you from point A to point B, but it's not a pretty sight.

Most of what players are mad about isn't broken mechanics so much as it is missing and/or incomplete mechanics. I don't like bashing CCP because I do like this game, but sometimes they leave me wondering how they could neglect this or ignore that when common sense and reason dictate otherwise.

Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.11.11 04:39:00 - [10]
 

Just whiny.


Carebears still mine.


Griefer still grief.


0.0 is full of blobs.

It's not broken, but we're still playing, so their doing SOMETHING right. Razz

Shaalira D'arc
Posted - 2010.11.11 05:23:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Ingole
I love the EVE community and I really enjoy looking through the forums regularly but I must say that it seems like every other post in the General Discussion section is some kind of complaint about how CCP is a complete failure or something needs to be fixed. Is EVE, and or CCP, really that screwed up or do folks just like complaining? I would never let the complaints of some random dude cause me to quite the game but it is discouraging to see folks constantly crying about something. I really don't like logging into the forums just to see yet another complaint. Even if the game/CCP isn't broke seeing so many people whining makes me feel like I should be worried about the future of this game. Do I need to be worried or can I just ignore 95% of these folks?


If you want the brighter side of things, look at it this way...

There wouldn't be such impassioned and sustained whining if people didn't care about the game, or saw in it the potential to be greater than it is.

When the server hamsters don't get fed and an extended downtime hits, you will see threadnaughts. Yes, it will be page after page of whining, moaning, and :bittervet: comments. But it also means that so many players are eager to get back in and start playing.

If EVE was really dying, that fact wouldn't be heralded in by a whine thread. Rather, it'd be accompanied by growing disinterest in an inactive forum.

Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.11.11 05:39:00 - [12]
 

Dang it, Cyprus Black, I was going to make a car analogy too :(

Calling EVE broken is a gross over-exaggeration. There may be a few scratches on the exterior and the window squeaks when you roll it up but I wouldn't call the whole car useless and broken because of that.

Don't believe the whiners, EVE is not dying.

Kireiina
Posted - 2010.11.11 06:20:00 - [13]
 


Eve is in a probably terminal decline. The gameplay / engine is increasingly dated, mudflation is making it so that being competitive in game requires many months of letting the clock tick over (going up to years for the increasingly prolific super-capitals) discouraging new players, botting with ISK funded alts has warped the economy and CCP are increasingly distracted by their other titles in development.

Still, being online for Ragnarok will be the most entertaining time.

NewGit
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.11 06:25:00 - [14]
 

Ignore 95% (most of the time)
Laugh at 3.5% (all the time)
Troll 1% (some of the time)
Believe .5% (half the time)

Lemmy Kravitz
Minmatar
Rebirth.
Posted - 2010.11.11 07:27:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Lemmy Kravitz on 11/11/2010 07:35:12
Both.

Been playing for over 2 years now. Balancing sucks at CCP for the most part when it comes to individual ships. But then again the whole nano nerf and rigs balance was a stroke of genius on their part. My mwd rifter no longer being chased down by a phoon that's going 1500m/s faster than me is a very welcome change. Rigs being small med and large now make pvp far more affordable, and also puts noobs on a more even playing field with vets since small rigs only cost a couple mil, vs. old school which was 80-150mil depending on the rig. When it comes to individual ship balancing and general bug fixing CCP falls on it's face. Sometimes you just have to skip an expansion and just sit down and hammer out all the bugs you can, and put some polish on the gameplay you already have.

Zedic
Amarr
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2010.11.11 07:56:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Alara IonStorm
Ignore 95%

Every MMO has bugs. EVE is overly laggy do to the single server and the size of the larger fights. This is expected and if you read the Dev Blogs they are working hard at fixing it.

Other whines are from people who refuse to addapt to game play. Even if there are counters to the problem they refuse to use the system.

Game is fun, every MMO has bugs.



I... well... I think I, that is to say,,, I want to have your chillrens... Marry me?! Shocked

Soon Shin
Posted - 2010.11.11 09:20:00 - [17]
 

Eve is good, from what CCP build it from. The problem is that they take a long time to properly assess and balance certain balance problems in the game. I simply do not know why they take such a long time to fix some very obvious problems such as rockets or having slow armor ships with knife range weapons.

They have been more focused on expanding their game and creating new content at the expense of maintaining their current and existing elements. Every new expansion they make seems to add more problems as they rush and overlook many things.

Simply see the fiasco that occurred recently with the Tyrannis Patching. The problems that existed in sisi before implementation was clearly obvious and it has been reported, but the lack of a qualified QA resulted in a lack of oversight and reviewing.

CCP is too focused on expansion of their game, they are spreading their resources too thin, which is why it takes too long to change the problems that come up in the game.


TL:DR: Make past accomplishment of CCP has made EVE good, but it won't last if CCP continues to focus on expansion at the expense of fixing and balancing.

Sinister Dextor
Posted - 2010.11.11 09:28:00 - [18]
 

It's just whining, the funny thing is, people LOOK for things to whine about. Just ignoe it, has nothing to do with the game.

Plastician
Into The Pink
Posted - 2010.11.11 09:49:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Ingole
I really don't like logging into the forums just to see yet another complaint.


I know what you mean, yet I can't keep away Razz

I read all the whines, feel sorry for them and know that I'm still having fun in this game and that the general community around it is great.

Like others said, ignore 95%.

Dlardrageth
ANZAC ALLIANCE
Posted - 2010.11.11 09:55:00 - [20]
 

We're just "whiney" 'cuz WoT server is currently down. Cool

Chantal Vercleven
Pionierbrigade 40
Posted - 2010.11.11 10:04:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Kireiina

Eve is in a probably terminal decline. The gameplay / engine is increasingly dated, mudflation is making it so that being competitive in game requires many months of letting the clock tick over (going up to years for the increasingly prolific super-capitals) discouraging new players, botting with ISK funded alts has warped the economy and CCP are increasingly distracted by their other titles in development.

Still, being online for Ragnarok will be the most entertaining time.



Confirming Eve is dying.

Especially with the new chars cant get up to level with vets part.

Rolling EyesRolling EyesRolling Eyes

Completely agreeing without trolling on the C(r)apital Ship(t)s part though.
Everything capital beyond dreads and frighters did nothing good to gameplay.

Khanaris Asgarth
Eternium Industries
Posted - 2010.11.11 10:18:00 - [22]
 

Just ignore the naysayers. Eve has been apparently dying since it got released.

RutilusUnus
Posted - 2010.11.11 10:20:00 - [23]
 

Folks are just that whiney.

Mister Peck
Posted - 2010.11.11 10:54:00 - [24]
 

Its not that bad actually. I've played some other MMOs and you should see the forums of some of them, absolute pure hatred for the developers. I think the EVE community is one of the tamer ones.

Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2010.11.11 11:19:00 - [25]
 

Id go with the Whiney.

I really like Eve and thats why I play it, there are a few bugs but I can live with them and I am looking forward to all the good stuff coming with this expansion and then looking forward to summer next year and WIS.

For me Eve is the only MMO and its going to stay that way for a long time with what is on the horizon.

Dont be worried, play the game enjoy it and dont worry to much about the whines Very Happy

Cearain
Caldari
The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION
Posted - 2010.11.11 16:29:00 - [26]
 

With the exception of large fleet fights eve runs great. Its not "broken."

The whole reason I ended up playign eve is because it was the first mmo that actually installed without problems on my machine.

I would say on the whole eve runs in the top 1% of the software out there.

The game itself is very very well balanced and does an excellent job blending strategy risk and experience. You will seee people flying all sorts of ships and with all sorts of mods. Its really a great game.

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.11.11 16:31:00 - [27]
 

90% of the posters on any gaming forum are just whiney. You won't find much in the way of useful threads here either.

Lady Ayeipsia
Posted - 2010.11.11 16:36:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Barakkus
90% of the posters on any gaming forum are just whiney. You won't find much in the way of useful threads here either.


For the first part, I think it's the nature of game forums in general. People don't randomly go to forums to praise a game, they go when they have a grudge, gripe, or complaint. It's like the news, why bother reporting nice, sappy, upbeat stories? Those don't get the ratings or sell, so report the crap. The forums, nice happy posts rarely get the attention, only the complaints do.

As for useful, I would say it depends on the specific forum. For example, Ships and Modules can be extremely helpful, as can Science and Industry. Crime and Punishment on the other hand, not as useful, but has some great stories to read. It can also be useful to the newer pirate.
General discussion though, well, that tends to be less useful IMO. Sure the patch and DT udpates are nice. Some of the topics are good, but it is a lot of whining which can be ignored.

Rip Kaiko
Posted - 2010.11.12 01:28:00 - [29]
 

The whining's a little bit of a mini-game for people who don't have any RL problems to whine about.

Last time I checked games were about having fun, if you're not, well then, urdoinitrong.

ForumWarrior
Posted - 2010.11.12 01:47:00 - [30]
 

How to tell if an MMO is broken:

1. Stop reading the forums. At all.

2. Play for a month.

3. Check if you still want to play after that month.

If yes - MMO is not broken for you.


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