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Tgiv
Posted - 2010.11.09 11:16:00 - [1]
 


Just wanna ask if we can get estimated eta on mass banning of all bots ingame.


Tnx.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.11.09 11:18:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Tgiv
Just wanna ask if we can get estimated eta on mass banning of all bots ingame.

The estimate is ALWAYS : Soon™

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2010.11.09 11:24:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Tgiv

Just wanna ask if we can get estimated eta on mass banning of all bots ingame.


Tnx.


Soon!

Senior Security Specialist (EVE)
Quote:
CCP is looking for someone to lead its efforts to combat client hacking, server hacking and automated bots. This position is within the programming department and will be focused primarily on software vulnerabilities and game play pattern analysis.

Lady Parity
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.11.09 11:25:00 - [4]
 

Incursion will change the status of a system, meaning macros and bots will wake up in a station.

From what im told, constellations will be affected with changes that will effect your ship, meaning if rats dont kill you players will since your generic macro fit wont be effective.

The effects arent major but if you are a macro you wont notice any changes and just die, cant wait for the bot whining in the next few weeks.

In theory this is a stealth NC nerf because thats where most people join if they want to bot.

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2010.11.09 11:44:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Lady Parity
Incursion will change the status of a system, meaning macros and bots will wake up in a station.

From what im told, constellations will be affected with changes that will effect your ship, meaning if rats dont kill you players will since your generic macro fit wont be effective.

The effects arent major but if you are a macro you wont notice any changes and just die, cant wait for the bot whining in the next few weeks.

In theory this is a stealth NC nerf because thats where most people join if they want to bot.


Citation needed

Doug Garvin
Posted - 2010.11.09 11:52:00 - [6]
 

Please dont take away my bot. I promise to be a good boy from now on.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.11.09 11:52:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Illwill Bill
Citation needed

Sarcasm detector needed

Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.11.09 11:57:00 - [8]
 

removing botters wil screw prices over majorly.
It'll be fun to see people crying over higher prices if they succeed in getting rid of bots.

Lady Parity
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.11.09 12:15:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Lady Parity on 09/11/2010 12:17:28
Originally by: Illwill Bill
Originally by: Lady Parity
Incursion will change the status of a system, meaning macros and bots will wake up in a station.

From what im told, constellations will be affected with changes that will effect your ship, meaning if rats dont kill you players will since your generic macro fit wont be effective.

The effects arent major but if you are a macro you wont notice any changes and just die, cant wait for the bot whining in the next few weeks.

In theory this is a stealth NC nerf because thats where most people join if they want to bot.


Citation needed


Environmental Solar System Effects - Sansha's Nation brings devastating constellation-affecting technology, crippling active modules and weapons in use. The stronger their forces, the stronger their ability to tilt the war in their favor. Defeat them and restore the balance.

This is the best I could do, thats from the 5 day e-mail, everything else while speculation does make sense in theory if sansha have the power to shut down modules / weapons only bots and macros wont notice

Edit- I am thinking sansha will target bots as per their NBDS (Not Bot Dont Shoot) policy.

Khanaris Asgarth
Eternium Industries
Posted - 2010.11.09 12:34:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Khanaris Asgarth on 09/11/2010 12:35:09
Originally by: Ivana Twinkle
removing botters wil screw prices over majorly.
It'll be fun to see people crying over higher prices if they succeed in getting rid of bots.


Good. The game economy for people supplying minerals is a joke right now.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2010.11.09 12:37:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Ivana Twinkle
removing botters wil screw prices over majorly.


If removing bots drives up the value of veldspar in the short term, all that will happen is hordes of people will dust off their hulks, mine like mad for a couple of days, stack the markets full of ultra cheap tritanium, and people will be raging on the forums for months about how "bots" are ruining mining.

It's not bots ruining the game, it's the lemmings. And the funny part is that the lemmings actually are the game.

El Liptonez
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2010.11.09 12:56:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Lady Parity
Edited by: Lady Parity on 09/11/2010 12:17:28
Originally by: Illwill Bill
Originally by: Lady Parity
Incursion will change the status of a system, meaning macros and bots will wake up in a station.

From what im told, constellations will be affected with changes that will effect your ship, meaning if rats dont kill you players will since your generic macro fit wont be effective.

The effects arent major but if you are a macro you wont notice any changes and just die, cant wait for the bot whining in the next few weeks.

In theory this is a stealth NC nerf because thats where most people join if they want to bot.


Citation needed


Environmental Solar System Effects - Sansha's Nation brings devastating constellation-affecting technology, crippling active modules and weapons in use. The stronger their forces, the stronger their ability to tilt the war in their favor. Defeat them and restore the balance.

This is the best I could do, thats from the 5 day e-mail, everything else while speculation does make sense in theory if sansha have the power to shut down modules / weapons only bots and macros wont notice

Edit- I am thinking sansha will target bots as per their NBDS (Not Bot Dont Shoot) policy.


That really doesn't sound like sleeper AI and wormhole-ish effects in normal solar systems.

Zeredek
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.11.09 13:06:00 - [13]
 

I know! Make large imbalanced Sansha strike forces attack asteroid belts. Give an audio warning followed by them appearing, wiping all ships out and then getting concordokken'd.

Inactive players are screwed.

GrimmjowX
Posted - 2010.11.09 13:06:00 - [14]
 

Courier macros in khanid low-sec are out of control again. The worst I've seen it in about 2 years.

I petitioned a corp with about 9 members about 2 weeks ago, told CCP about their macro behaviour. They said they'll do what they can. As of last night, the corp is up to 18 members, all macros. The original members are still active.

*sigh*

On the system effects in incursion, it wont stop or hinder the macros. If anything it makes it more difficult to engage them due to weakened resists and dps on ships in the system. Taking gate guns with -50% resists is not gonna be nice.

I saw an idea in another thread about making courier missions require sizable collateral, so that destroying the 300k isk hauler is actually makes an impact, due to the failed mission. It would be a block to genuine courier mission runners, but I just hate those macros.

Mihali
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.09 13:22:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Mihali on 09/11/2010 13:28:15
Originally by: Ivana Twinkle
removing botters wil screw prices over majorly.
It'll be fun to see people crying over higher prices if they succeed in getting rid of bots.


Good. It'll make flying large ships & T2 mean something again. Probably help the T1 market as well, since these ships won't be flown by everyone. You'll see more people using their head instead of just bringing a whole bunch of FotM. Can't wait for the tears. I'll be laughing.

Originally by: GrimmjowX
Courier macros in khanid low-sec are out of control again. The worst I've seen it in about 2 years.

I petitioned a corp with about 9 members about 2 weeks ago, told CCP about their macro behaviour. They said they'll do what they can. As of last night, the corp is up to 18 members, all macros. The original members are still active.

*sigh*

On the system effects in incursion, it wont stop or hinder the macros. If anything it makes it more difficult to engage them due to weakened resists and dps on ships in the system. Taking gate guns with -50% resists is not gonna be nice.

I saw an idea in another thread about making courier missions require sizable collateral, so that destroying the 300k isk hauler is actually makes an impact, due to the failed mission. It would be a block to genuine courier mission runners, but I just hate those macros.


Wardec them & see what happens. They probably have alts, but you disrupted them/blown up their ships.

Lady Parity
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.11.09 13:27:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Mihali
Originally by: Ivana Twinkle
removing botters wil screw prices over majorly.
It'll be fun to see people crying over higher prices if they succeed in getting rid of bots.


Good. It'll make flying large ships & T2 mean something again. Probably help the T1 market as well, since these ships won't be flown by everyone. You'll see more people using their head instead of just bringing a whole bunch of FoTM. Can't wait for the tears. I'll be laughing.


Finally someone who gets it, besides if CCP focused on killing macros more people would buy & sell plex, since lets face it, if a persons income is from macro mining / ratting then he clearly isnt going to be making ISK any other way and wont have the sense to even try and will be reduced to funding CCP :D

Tyber Zaan
Posted - 2010.11.09 13:59:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Tyber Zaan on 09/11/2010 14:00:19
Parity, I'm afraid you have it wrong about the incursion effects. I tested these events on SiSi, and here were the penalties in place in incursion systems.

Cynosural Supression- Prevents any cynosural field from being deployed in-system.

War Tax- A huge tax on bounties and mission rewards.

Offensive capability reduction- A penalty on weapon damage.

Defensive capability reduction- A penalty to Sheild boost amount, armor repair amount, capacitor capacity, capacitor recharge rate, and all ship resistances.

They could not de-activate modules, their effectiveness was simply reduced.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.09 14:28:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Venkul Mul on 09/11/2010 14:34:39


Originally by: Zeredek
I know! Make large imbalanced Sansha strike forces attack asteroid belts. Give an audio warning followed by them appearing, wiping all ships out and then getting concordokken'd.


EVE has sound?

And what make you think that professional macros can't recognize audio warning?


Quote:
Inactive players are screwed.


True. I.e. the people mining semi AFK, not the advanced bots used by RMT rings.

Originally by: Tyber Zaan


Defensive capability reduction- A penalty to Sheild boost amount, armor repair amount, capacitor capacity, capacitor recharge rate, and all ship resistances.




That will damage miners (macro or not) and every other ship. I doubt normal players will mine or do courier missions in a invaded system so it is possible that macros would be those most affected.

It all debend where the Sansha NPC will appear. If they will only be near the planets it will have a reduced effect, if small groups will spawn near every navigation point the effect would be noticeable.

Dr Fighter
Posted - 2010.11.09 14:32:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Dr Fighter on 09/11/2010 14:32:44
Originally by: Gnulpie

Soon!

Senior Security Specialist (EVE)



i want to know who stuck up the postit note that reads "athiests denying everything" and why :)

also ilegal gun shops sounds fun :)


edit: sorce http://www.ccpgames.com/media/18144/jobs.jpg

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2010.11.09 19:21:00 - [20]
 

How about:
"To access your mission payload, please enter this security code"

And a set of those distorted letters used to stop spam bots appears, and must be entered by the user.

Or once few minutes:

"Your miners have shut down due to a power surge. Please enter this code to reset the power system".

Same idea.

Not sure about the macro ratters.

Sort of a burden to legitimate players, but if the number of macro runners drops, the frequency that these security codes pops up could be reduced.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.09 19:33:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Lady Parity
In theory this is a stealth NC nerf because thats where most people join if they want to bot.

To late NC set the new Sansha's to Blue.

Sansha's report that they are enjoying the money and plan to give up attacking player ships.

NNDS Not NPC Don't Shoot. There goes that expansion.

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.11.09 19:48:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
How about:
"To access your mission payload, please enter this security code"

And a set of those distorted letters used to stop spam bots appears, and must be entered by the user.

Or once few minutes:

"Your miners have shut down due to a power surge. Please enter this code to reset the power system".

Same idea.

Not sure about the macro ratters.

Sort of a burden to legitimate players, but if the number of macro runners drops, the frequency that these security codes pops up could be reduced.


please, not this...

Mukuro Gravedigger
Posted - 2010.11.09 20:00:00 - [23]
 

Some potential ideas to hinder (though it will not stop) macro miners:

- The miners have to have a positive faction towards the station they dock and refine the ores. Or at least the station confiscates some here and there to annoy the miners. While I mine in Minmatar space, seeing brand new Gallente pilots mining and docking in the only station in system which happens to be Caldarian smacks of the lore in game going out the window.

- Make reprocessing specific ore require that (Ore) Processing skill instead of just chugging the lot into the refinery and out spits minerals minus a casual loss and a station's cut.

Quick ideas only.

Lost Greybeard
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.09 21:13:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Mukuro Gravedigger
While I mine in Minmatar space, seeing brand new Gallente pilots mining and docking in the only station in system which happens to be Caldarian smacks of the lore in game going out the window.


iirc, according to the lore there is no such thing as a "Gallente capsuleer". We answer only to CONCORD, which is an inter-empire organization. We have no empire affiliation, though we can as individuals become liked or disliked by one or more factions. We aren't citizens of anywhere, so even if our empires of origin go to war it's no skin off our noses.


 

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