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Frie Dargon
Posted - 2010.11.09 01:15:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Frie Dargon on 17/12/2010 14:03:04
Edited by: Frie Dargon on 16/12/2010 18:20:58
Edited by: Frie Dargon on 14/11/2010 16:26:04



It was getting difficult to track in the other thread and i think the norm is to discuss new bonds in new threads.

Here is the old thread for details on the bond. Bond paid back

Here are current reservations / payments:

2nd Bond:
Scott Ryder: 200M (PAID)
Jia Cindell: 150M (PAID)
Iota Rong: 350M (PAID)
Eckstasy: 200M (PAID)
Dalmont Dalentee: 200M (PAID)
Egola: 400M (PAID)
Machete Visor: 200M (PAID)
The Syndicate Group: 300M (PAID)
Banque: 200M (PAID)
Lashka Gar: 300M (PAID)
River Ace 200M (PAID)
Sokarage: 100M (PAID)
Brian Petersberg: 200M (PAID)
jacqo drac: 100M (PAID)
treefoxer: 1,000M (PAID)
Worgmen Fratmon: 50M (PAID)
rig seller: 400M (PAID)
amy garzan: 100M (PAID)

Bond launched
1 month
10%
25% of profit, same deal as the last one that i just finished.

Lashka Gar
Posted - 2010.11.09 01:51:00 - [2]
 

I'll take 300m. Should be able to log on shortly.

Scott Ryder
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.11.09 08:56:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Scott Ryder on 10/11/2010 15:17:09
Edited by: Scott Ryder on 10/11/2010 06:54:44
Actually, my reservation was 200. And Im sending it today @ aproxematly 1600 hours.
Id much apriciate some more transparancy in the future tough.
Perhaps an audit or some form of securety.

[10/11-2010] Edit: sorry, I have to send it today when I get home. Aproxematly @ 1600. Accidently worked overtime.
[10/11-2010] Edit2: Isk transfered.

River Ace
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.11.09 10:33:00 - [4]
 

Ok, I'll bite.

just 200m at this time though as discussed.

Will send isk today.

Many Thanks

River


Sorakage
Posted - 2010.11.09 12:12:00 - [5]
 

Sent on the 7th 100M

Brian Petersberg
Posted - 2010.11.09 14:47:00 - [6]
 

Hi, I'm in for 200M, I've already sent you the ISK.

Dalmont Delantee
Gallente
Shiloh Technologies
Posted - 2010.11.10 22:53:00 - [7]
 

Already paid 4/11 :)

Frie Dargon
Posted - 2010.11.11 16:54:00 - [8]
 

bond will launch on saturday. anyone else want in?

Jaqo Drac
Amarr
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:25:00 - [9]
 

I will give it a shot.

100M sent on the 11th.

JD

Treefoxer
Posted - 2010.11.11 23:51:00 - [10]
 

Money sent you should almost have all the isk you need.Smile Please don't blow it all on some lottery...just kinding.

Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2010.11.12 00:30:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Taram Caldar on 12/11/2010 00:34:48

I really wish you'd get an audit. :)
Edit: Forgot you refused audit. Still not willing to invest w/o one.

BTW creating a new thread you should specify the full details of the bond in the thread not just post saying 1.2bil remaining to mask that you're asking for an unsecured 4bil bond with no audit. No audit on any past bonds and only a 1 bil bond in your past to prove trustworthiness.



Frie Dargon
Posted - 2010.11.12 01:48:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Taram Caldar
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 12/11/2010 00:34:48

I really wish you'd get an audit. :)
Edit: Forgot you refused audit. Still not willing to invest w/o one.

BTW creating a new thread you should specify the full details of the bond in the thread not just post saying 1.2bil remaining to mask that you're asking for an unsecured 4bil bond with no audit. No audit on any past bonds and only a 1 bil bond in your past to prove trustworthiness.





taram i don't think anything was masked. i clearly linked it to the old bond where it is described in the first post. and i put in all the reservations so that shows how much is outstanding, so i disagree, it is transparent. masking would be starting a new thread without any reference or detail and asking for 1billion. What you are asking for is redundancy and obviously needless given the players investing.

understand your concern about an audit, and has been voiced by many investors.
and it was a 1.8B bond - just to be clear


Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2010.11.12 01:55:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Frie Dargon
Originally by: Taram Caldar
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 12/11/2010 00:34:48

I really wish you'd get an audit. :)
Edit: Forgot you refused audit. Still not willing to invest w/o one.

BTW creating a new thread you should specify the full details of the bond in the thread not just post saying 1.2bil remaining to mask that you're asking for an unsecured 4bil bond with no audit. No audit on any past bonds and only a 1 bil bond in your past to prove trustworthiness.





taram i don't think anything was masked. i clearly linked it to the old bond where it is described in the first post. and i put in all the reservations so that shows how much is outstanding, so i disagree, it is transparent. masking would be starting a new thread without any reference or detail and asking for 1billion. What you are asking for is redundancy and obviously needless given the players investing.

understand your concern about an audit, and has been voiced by many investors.
and it was a 1.8B bond - just to be clear




No, it was 4bil based on your own statement:

Quote:
I would like 4B in funds, paying 10% interest. The 4B number is derived based on the number of trades I can have outstanding X the average capital investment (roughly) - it is not random. I expect returns to be much greater than 10% a month, based on trade volumes and return per trade.


And, like I said, the title of this thread is misleading. You simply state you have xyz remaining on a bond, nowhere in this thread do you disclose how much you are actually borrowing in public funds, only providing a link to another thread which is somewhat confusing as to what you're doing.

It's a badly written offering which conceals reality and hides the fact that you've never submitted to an audit and, in fact, have refused to be audited.

If folks invest anyway that's their concern. I just felt it's my duty as an honest person to put it out there that
a) You originally asked for 4bil
b) there is no collateral
c) you have not only not sought an audit but have refused to get an audit.

That's all.

Frie Dargon
Posted - 2010.11.12 01:58:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Frie Dargon on 12/11/2010 01:59:56

Originally by: Taram Caldar
Originally by: Frie Dargon
Originally by: Taram Caldar
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 12/11/2010 00:34:48

I really wish you'd get an audit. :)
Edit: Forgot you refused audit. Still not willing to invest w/o one.

BTW creating a new thread you should specify the full details of the bond in the thread not just post saying 1.2bil remaining to mask that you're asking for an unsecured 4bil bond with no audit. No audit on any past bonds and only a 1 bil bond in your past to prove trustworthiness.





taram i don't think anything was masked. i clearly linked it to the old bond where it is described in the first post. and i put in all the reservations so that shows how much is outstanding, so i disagree, it is transparent. masking would be starting a new thread without any reference or detail and asking for 1billion. What you are asking for is redundancy and obviously needless given the players investing.

understand your concern about an audit, and has been voiced by many investors.
and it was a 1.8B bond - just to be clear




No, it was 4bil based on your own statement:

Quote:
I would like 4B in funds, paying 10% interest. The 4B number is derived based on the number of trades I can have outstanding X the average capital investment (roughly) - it is not random. I expect returns to be much greater than 10% a month, based on trade volumes and return per trade.


And, like I said, the title of this thread is misleading. You simply state you have xyz remaining on a bond, nowhere in this thread do you disclose how much you are actually borrowing in public funds, only providing a link to another thread which is somewhat confusing as to what you're doing.

It's a badly written offering which conceals reality and hides the fact that you've never submitted to an audit and, in fact, have refused to be audited.

If folks invest anyway that's their concern. I just felt it's my duty as an honest person to put it out there that
a) You originally asked for 4bil
b) there is no collateral
c) you have not only not sought an audit but have refused to get an audit.

That's all.



my reference to 1.8bil was the prior bond, not the current one. you said 1, but it was 1.8. very deceptive of you to round down that way.

the current one is 4.0bil.

i agree, it is a confusing thread if you are
(a) unable to perform simple math and add up the full list of investors to a total and add it to the additional amount requested (which equals 4.0bil)
(b) have trouble flying on the information superhighway and using hyperlinks to navigate to other web pages.


Under those conditions, i agree, very very deceiving. anyone equally as confused as you can request a full refund.

i expect to see a line out the door taram, thanks for pointing all this out.



Worgen Fratmon
Minmatar
Instapop Industries
Posted - 2010.11.12 02:06:00 - [15]
 

Can I get in on this to 50Mil? I'm new to all this bond stuff and I read over your other thread, but wish to minimize my risk before loaning more than this.

If so, I will send ISK before downtime (I'm currently at work and will be her for a few more hours).


Frie Dargon
Posted - 2010.11.12 02:32:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Worgen Fratmon
Can I get in on this to 50Mil? I'm new to all this bond stuff and I read over your other thread, but wish to minimize my risk before loaning more than this.

If so, I will send ISK before downtime (I'm currently at work and will be her for a few more hours).




sure, why not? i was thinking 100M minimum, but its not such a big deal since all the other slots are taken.

Amy Garzan
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.12 02:45:00 - [17]
 

Ill do 100mil. Shoot me an evemail ingame to get it.

rig selller
Gallente
Ship Mod Unit Technicians
Posted - 2010.11.12 17:35:00 - [18]
 

Send me a mail in game and i will do the last 400mill when i get home in 4 hours.

Kythran
Posted - 2010.11.13 00:43:00 - [19]
 

You sent me an eve mail linking to this thread. .05 billion is like 50 million, so its an easy enough buy in for an investment nub more interested in learning the trade.....

however, without an Audit i don't feel terribly comfortable. Your previous bond was much less than this one. For all we know you didn't even station trade and instead just payed people the cash so you could build up trust. Just because i am a nub does not mean i won't be critical of things I see. Though good job on the personal eve-mail. i certainly felt important. Laughing

Audits btw, from what i have read, will NOT reveal the names of other alts you have. it won't expose their identity UNLESS you default on the bond. Since your concerned for their welfare and exposure, submitting to an audit would provide extra security to your investors. That security is a backwards way of putting more money into your pocket btw. A high security bond can pay less intrest rate to investors and allow you to keep more of the proceeds.

Worgen Fratmon
Minmatar
Instapop Industries
Posted - 2010.11.13 03:01:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Frie Dargon
Originally by: Worgen Fratmon
Can I get in on this to 50Mil? I'm new to all this bond stuff and I read over your other thread, but wish to minimize my risk before loaning more than this.

If so, I will send ISK before downtime (I'm currently at work and will be her for a few more hours).




sure, why not? i was thinking 100M minimum, but its not such a big deal since all the other slots are taken.



K, you have acknowledged receipt of 50 Mil, via EVE-mail.

rig selller
Gallente
Ship Mod Unit Technicians
Posted - 2010.11.14 11:24:00 - [21]
 

Can you update the with my investment please? or return my isk?

Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2010.11.14 16:18:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/11/2010 16:22:34

Originally by: Frie Dargon

i agree, it is a confusing thread if you are
(a) unable to perform simple math and add up the full list of investors to a total and add it to the additional amount requested (which equals 4.0bil)
(b) have trouble flying on the information superhighway and using hyperlinks to navigate to other web pages.


Under those conditions, i agree, very very deceiving. anyone equally as confused as you can request a full refund.

i expect to see a line out the door taram, thanks for pointing all this out.



When someone is pointing out obvious problems with an offering the person making the offering responding with insults is a sure fire indicator that they have something to hide.

Bottom line you try to say that your method is a 'common' practice when it, in fact, is not. Most bonds stay in a fully listed offering not split off 2 and 3 times from the original offering.

This is how offers usually work:
1st offering start to close
2nd offering link to 1st offering for info. Full offering writeup.... continue with thread till it's closed
3rd offering has links to 1st and 2nd offering for background info and is a full writeup in it's own right.

What you are doing is this:
- Make a 1st offering. Don't get what you asked for because you refuse an audit. Pay that small bond back.
- Immediately Make a 2nd offering for more than what you originally wanted again refusing to get an audit.... get a few nibbles but don't get what you want because you again refuse to get an audit.
- Make a new thread that just says 'Bond almost full - XYZ isk remaining' with a link to the offering before it. Nowhere in this new thread do you provide a summary of the original offering so that people easily see how much you are borrowing or the fact that you have not only not gotten an audit but have flat out refused to get one.

It's deceptive. Whether you realize it or not. You are asking for our isk, not the other way around. The burden is on YOU to show you are trustworthy, not on us to spend our time having to dig through links and eve-search to find the information.

Just sayin.

Worgen Fratmon
Minmatar
Instapop Industries
Posted - 2010.11.14 23:43:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Taram Caldar
Edited by: Taram Caldar on 14/11/2010 16:22:34

Originally by: Frie Dargon

i agree, it is a confusing thread if you are
(a) unable to perform simple math and add up the full list of investors to a total and add it to the additional amount requested (which equals 4.0bil)
(b) have trouble flying on the information superhighway and using hyperlinks to navigate to other web pages.


Under those conditions, i agree, very very deceiving. anyone equally as confused as you can request a full refund.

i expect to see a line out the door taram, thanks for pointing all this out.



When someone is pointing out obvious problems with an offering the person making the offering responding with insults is a sure fire indicator that they have something to hide.

Bottom line you try to say that your method is a 'common' practice when it, in fact, is not. Most bonds stay in a fully listed offering not split off 2 and 3 times from the original offering.

This is how offers usually work:
1st offering start to close
2nd offering link to 1st offering for info. Full offering writeup.... continue with thread till it's closed
3rd offering has links to 1st and 2nd offering for background info and is a full writeup in it's own right.

What you are doing is this:
- Make a 1st offering. Don't get what you asked for because you refuse an audit. Pay that small bond back.
- Immediately Make a 2nd offering for more than what you originally wanted again refusing to get an audit.... get a few nibbles but don't get what you want because you again refuse to get an audit.
- Make a new thread that just says 'Bond almost full - XYZ isk remaining' with a link to the offering before it. Nowhere in this new thread do you provide a summary of the original offering so that people easily see how much you are borrowing or the fact that you have not only not gotten an audit but have flat out refused to get one.

It's deceptive. Whether you realize it or not. You are asking for our isk, not the other way around. The burden is on YOU to show you are trustworthy, not on us to spend our time having to dig through links and eve-search to find the information.

Just sayin.


Taram has some valid points. Had an audit been done, I would have loaned the entire remainder rather than just my meager, get my feet wet, 50 million.

Assuming that this is not a scam and I make money off this deal, I'll be more trusting of Frie Dargon in the future, but without an audit, I could not ever see investing more than 100 million, personally.

Frie Dargon
Posted - 2010.12.16 18:21:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Frie Dargon on 17/12/2010 19:04:32

this bond ended and all interest + a 7% additional profit was paid out to all investors.

Most investors indicated they wanted to invest for another month, so it will roll over. Here is a current list of outstanding amounts. I would also like to increase by 2B. I got close to illiquid during the last month (faction inventory) so that means there is room to expand. Of the 2B, only 1000M is not accounted for yet.
Please mail me if you want to invest.


scott ryder: 200m
jia cindell: 550m (upped 400m - paid)
iota rong: 550m (upped 200m - paid)
eckstasy: 200m
dalmont delantee: 200m
egola: 500M (upped 100M - paid)
banque: 200M
lashka gar: 300m
river ace: 200M
sorakage: 100M
brian petersberg: 200M
jaqo draco: *0* (cashed out 100M)
treefover: 1,000M
worgen fratmon: *0* (cashed out 50M)
riger seller: 900M (upped 500M - paid)
machete visor: 400M (upped 200M - paid)
amy garzan: 100M
Syndicate group: 300M (cashing out, will do later tonight)
dunravi: 1,000M

open: 300M

Jia Cindell
Posted - 2010.12.17 03:54:00 - [25]
 

Confirming that im sending the 400m now, please confirm that you have recieved.

Frie Dargon
Posted - 2010.12.17 05:29:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Jia Cindell
Confirming that im sending the 400m now, please confirm that you have recieved.

received

Dunravi
Posted - 2010.12.17 05:46:00 - [27]
 

confirming that i sent 1,000m isk per remainder of bond at 05:28 eve time

egola
Amarr
Posted - 2010.12.17 06:57:00 - [28]
 

recheck your log, i already sent the 100mil

Frie Dargon
Posted - 2010.12.17 14:03:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: egola
recheck your log, i already sent the 100mil



you are correct, sorry i was out last night and didn't update the thread.


Caldariftw123
Posted - 2010.12.17 14:53:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Worgen Fratmon


Taram has some valid points. Had an audit been done, I would have loaned the entire remainder rather than just my meager, get my feet wet, 50 million.

Assuming that this is not a scam and I make money off this deal, I'll be more trusting of Frie Dargon in the future, but without an audit, I could not ever see investing more than 100 million, personally.



Just FYI, and this is no reflection on this particular bond I have no interest in it whatsoever, this is just a general bit of advice:

getting your feet wet for 50million in no way proves or disproves someone's trustworthiness. If he is hoping to scam then he will send you your 50mill plus interest back in all likelihood because you have just blatantly told him "wait a little while and you can take more from me later!" He's either trustworthy and you can put your full amount in or he is not trustworthy and you should not give him anything. A small 'test' figure, especially when you SAY it is a test, will tell you nothing.


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