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Zino Zauber
Posted - 2010.11.08 10:03:00 - [1]
 

Hi folks,

being noob and all this question will be fairly easy to answer, i guess.
How is it that i never find any of the gravimetric, magnetometric, Ladar or Radar sites? All i ever find is Cosmic Anomalies and Cosmic Signatures.
Rookie training for "Exploration" yielded all of the sites as training areas of course and triangulating their position to get a bookmark was easy.
Now i never find any of those sites any more.
I've tried in 7 or 8 Systems so far...never to find any of these. I only found Serpentis hideouts, wormholes etc.

Any suggestions what i should try?
Is there a good *.pdf or the like about eploration?

Thanks
Zino

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.11.08 10:30:00 - [2]
 

1st - Train exploration skills at least to level 4.

2nd - Use the best equipment.

3rd - Scan systems that are off the main travel path with low to no population.

Exploration_Guide

High_sec_exploration_advanced

Probing

Exploration Sites

Contrary to popular belief, high security exploration sites can net some good isk as well as Faction loot.

Deadspace

DED_Complex_List

Complexes

Zino Zauber
Posted - 2010.11.08 10:33:00 - [3]
 

Hi,

I found the Exploration guide and read it already. I wasn't aware that there are different types of probes to use. No wonder i never found the Hacking/Salvaging sites i was looking for.
Also i need helpful additional skills apart from Astrometrics basic skill.
The guide helped me a great deal!

Thanks
Zino

TheKalila
Posted - 2010.11.08 11:00:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Zino Zauber
Hi,

I found the Exploration guide and read it already. I wasn't aware that there are different types of probes to use. No wonder i never found the Hacking/Salvaging sites i was looking for.
Also i need helpful additional skills apart from Astrometrics basic skill.
The guide helped me a great deal!

Thanks
Zino


Theres only one type of probe you need, Core Scanner Probe. There are stronger versions, Sister's Core Scanner Probe for example but they do the same thing.

You are most likely reading an old guide, there used to be different probes in the old system but it changed.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.11.08 11:02:00 - [5]
 

Core scanner probes for exploration sites, Sisters is the best.

Rangefinding and Pinpointing skills are very important.

Goog luck and welcome to exploration.

Zino Zauber
Posted - 2010.11.08 11:31:00 - [6]
 

Ok, so if i get it right, the Core Scanner Probes should in principle be sufficient enough to track down all kinds of explo sites.
What am i doing wrong then? Was it just bad luck?
Training said one should scan in the vicinity of planets and moons -that is what i'm doing. I also tried extending the scanning range of my probe to its limit. So far that scanning covers the entire solar system in many cases. I figured this way all existent sites will be listed -with a high level of uncertainty as to their exact location within the system -but listed none the less. Then i would pick one and narrow it's position down with further probes, smaller scan radiuses etc until i get a 100% certainty and the bookmark.
Will sites slip through the scanning if my scanning range is too big (as in scanning range vs. scanning scrutiny)?
Are skills like Astro Pinpoiting etc. of such importance that without them i will hardly ever find anything except Anomalies and Signatures?

Thanks for your support so far! I will try and read some more of the material you have hinted to.

Zino

Boltorano
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
Posted - 2010.11.08 11:44:00 - [7]
 

I think this is the issue where you're stuck:

Magnetometric, RADAR, LADAR, Gravimetric, and Unknown (non-Cosmic Anomaly type) sites are ALL types of Cosmic Signatures.


They will only show up under that category. You have to get the signal strength up to at least 25% to determine which subset of Cosmic Signature a particular site is. You can then determine the name of the site itself once you get the signal strength above 75%.

Finally, you need a minimum of four probes arranged in some sort of formation around the signature in order to narrow down / get a 100% warpable hit on the signature.

TheKalila
Posted - 2010.11.08 11:52:00 - [8]
 

I think you might be having issues with probe positioning, make sure to use 5 probes and use the cross like formation.

Here is a good video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-07y7zRA40c&feature=related

You see how the 4 outer probes overlap in the center of the 5th probe? This is the easiest way to center on a signature.

Then keep reducing the AU until you have higher and higher strength. Make sure there is decent overlap, atleast 20% but not more than 40% of the probes diameter.

Zino Zauber
Posted - 2010.11.08 11:52:00 - [9]
 

Ok, then it must have been bad luck. I found several Cosmic Signatures but they were always worm holes so far.
I'll just keep trying. Also, official guides explain the method of probing, pinpointing etc. and i'm doing it just like i ought to.

Well... I'll just keep trying!

Thanks
Zino

heheheh
Phoenix Club
Posted - 2010.11.08 14:54:00 - [10]
 

This is just how it is sometimes man,
There are so many people doing exploration that it can take 10 or more systems before you find something decent.

Mavnas
Posted - 2010.11.08 15:36:00 - [11]
 

Put a probe in the middle of a system with max range. Scan. If it covers the whole system and no sigs were picked up, there aren't any to pick up. Exploration is very hit or miss, mainly because a couple of other explorers in your area can easily pick it clean of any useful sites.

Higher skills and good probe positioning will only help you scan down sites faster, they won't help you find more sites within a system. But if you can scan down those sites faster, you can move on to the next system sooner and hopefully find one with some good radar sites.

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
Core scanner probes for exploration sites, Sisters is the best.


Actually, RSS scanner probes are slightly better, but way more expensive.


Durnin Stormbrow
Posted - 2010.11.08 17:26:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Zino Zauber
Ok, then it must have been bad luck. I found several Cosmic Signatures but they were always worm holes so far.


Are you exploring in densely populated areas of space? If so, that's probably a big part of the problem. You are competing against too many other explorers for the same spawns.

If exploration is what you want to do, get away from trade hubs, mission hubs and training agents. Move to one of the many areas of space that are relatively abandoned. Even in hi-sec there are many areas with relatively few players, and the hi-sec pockets are often empty.

Check the star map for systems with few players in space, and few NCP kills. Dotlan maps is another great resource for finding systems with few players.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.11.09 10:51:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Mavnas
Put a probe in the middle of a system with max range. Scan. If it covers the whole system and no sigs were picked up, there aren't any to pick up. Exploration is very hit or miss, mainly because a couple of other explorers in your area can easily pick it clean of any useful sites.

Higher skills and good probe positioning will only help you scan down sites faster, they won't help you find more sites within a system. But if you can scan down those sites faster, you can move on to the next system sooner and hopefully find one with some good radar sites.

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
Core scanner probes for exploration sites, Sisters is the best.


Actually, RSS scanner probes are slightly better, but way more expensive.



RSS Probes only last for about 15 minutes and are 1 point stronger in scan strength compared to the Sisters Probes which last for over 1 hour.

Vasha Sannavah
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:24:00 - [14]
 

I was recently trapped in a wormhole for 3 days... imagine scanning one down, entering it to explore and when you go to bookmark the exit, it's gone. Anyways, I was in a Anathema with Sister Core Probes.... I fired one off to get an idea how many anomalies I was going to have to scan down to get out.... 18!!!

So one after another I started scanning them... it got late the first day so I called it quits. Got back online after work the 2nd day and spent 4 hours finding Mags, Radar, Grav, and Ladar sites.... but NO wormholes... so last night I was determined to "find my way home"! I spent 7 hours scanning... ugh.... and since I had to re-start from scratch all the ID numbers were different... I scanned all 18 locations and no exit WH... it was midnight, I started thinking I would go blow myself up and get podded at the station in system.... I switched the core probes to combat probes to find out where the ships were sitting at their station and imagine my surprise when DIFFERENT anomaly ID's showed up in addition to the structure and ships.

So I scanned one down and it was a WH to freedom!!!

So my question is..... are WH's only scannable with Combat probes and not core probes?

Boltorano
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:32:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Vasha Sannavah

So my question is..... are WH's only scannable with Combat probes and not core probes?


You can find them with both. Odds are you were not scanning enough territory around all the planets to make sure you got all the signatures. Coverage of at least 8AU from a planet is more than sufficient and makes sure you're going to find all of them.

You also need more practice at scanning in general. If it took me more than half an hour to scan 18 signatures (unless I was doing it half-AFK) I would be ashamed of myself. Practice, practice, practice!

Donde Esta
Posted - 2010.11.11 17:32:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Vasha Sannavah


So my question is..... are WH's only scannable with Combat probes and not core probes?


No.

Worgen Fratmon
Minmatar
Instapop Industries
Posted - 2010.11.11 22:13:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Worgen Fratmon on 11/11/2010 22:14:17
Originally by: Vasha Sannavah

So I scanned one down and it was a WH to freedom!!!

So my question is..... are WH's only scannable with Combat probes and not core probes?


To expand upon the above poster, Core probes can scan areas as large as 32 AU to as small as .25 AU. Combat probes scan as large as 64 AU to as small as .5 AU.

Combat probes also have less scan strength than Core probes.

What happened with you, I would guess, is that you were able to scan more of the system with the 64 AU of the Combat probe, due to placement. Meaning the system you were trapped in was larger than 32 AU across.

A scanning suggestion, start at the star and place your 5 probes at the 4 cardinal directions (N,S,E,W) on the outermost planet's orbit ring and 1 on the star. If there is alot of uncovered area at 32 AU, you'll need to move the probes around a few times to cover the entire system.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.11.12 12:30:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Boltorano

You also need more practice at scanning in general. If it took me more than half an hour to scan 18 signatures (unless I was doing it half-AFK) I would be ashamed of myself. Practice, practice, practice!


I'm gonna call you on this since there's really no need to say that. Why whip out the EPEEN? You have no idea of the players skill level or equipment being used.

I say 'GRATZ' to the player for finding his way out without any help or doing a suicide run.

Maybe using top equipment with high skill level and 'Ignoring' all Radar, Grav, Mag and Ladar sites as soon as you get 25% or more signal strength to show the group type and then 'Ignoring' all Unknown Combat sites after getting 75% signal strength to show the name, then you'd probably be able to scan 18 + signatures in less than 1/2 hour.

Celes Steele
Posted - 2010.11.12 13:36:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Worgen Fratmon

Combat probes also have less scan strength than Core probes.


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I've been away from the game awhile, and don't want to confuse the OP, but I'm pretty sure both have the same scan strength, at the same scan range. For example scan something with the core probes at lets say 8au. Switch to combat probes, place those probes in the same location as the core probes and set range to 8au, scan, and the signal strength % on the sig should be identical. Could be wrong here but had tested this before.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.11.12 14:51:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 12/11/2010 15:00:10
Originally by: Celes Steele
Originally by: Worgen Fratmon


Combat probes also have less scan strength than Core probes.



I've been away from the game awhile, and don't want to confuse the OP, but I'm pretty sure both have the same scan strength, at the same scan range. For example scan something with the core probes at lets say 8au. Switch to combat probes, place those probes in the same location as the core probes and set range to 8au, scan, and the signal strength % on the sig should be identical. Could be wrong here but had tested this before.




Hmmm, I think you're mistaken.

Combat_Scanner_Probe_I

Core_Scanner_Probe_I

The Combat probe has a base sensor strength of 20 points.
The Core probe has a base sensor strength of 40 points.


Vasha Sannavah
Posted - 2010.11.12 16:36:00 - [21]
 

Thanks for the responses.

The system I was in was only 16AU across, the Core probes covered the whole system... I set up the probes N,S, E, W, and one on the star... my skills aren't top notch in scanning, but the problem I kept having was I'd scan down to 1AU and the damn thing would move on me no matter how fast I re-sized the probes and repositioned them.

I agree that practice makes perfect... and I'll keep exploring, but there are times when it gets frustrating... especially when your "trapped" in a WH.

Skills:
Astrometrics (training to lvl 4 now)
Astrometric Acquisition - lvl 2
Astrometric Range-finding - lvl 3
(Hmm.. though they were higher Confused)

Ship:
Anathema
Expanded Probe Launcher
Sister Core & Combat probes
2 Gravety Capacitor Upgrades I

Worgen Fratmon
Minmatar
Instapop Industries
Posted - 2010.11.12 17:22:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Vasha Sannavah
Thanks for the responses.

The system I was in was only 16AU across, the Core probes covered the whole system... I set up the probes N,S, E, W, and one on the star... my skills aren't top notch in scanning, but the problem I kept having was I'd scan down to 1AU and the damn thing would move on me no matter how fast I re-sized the probes and repositioned them.

I agree that practice makes perfect... and I'll keep exploring, but there are times when it gets frustrating... especially when your "trapped" in a WH.

Skills:
Astrometrics (training to lvl 4 now)
Astrometric Acquisition - lvl 2
Astrometric Range-finding - lvl 3
(Hmm.. though they were higher Confused)

Ship:
Anathema
Expanded Probe Launcher
Sister Core & Combat probes
2 Gravety Capacitor Upgrades I


Not too bad for skill. What you described as the dot moving, is the deviation. Astrometric Pinpointing to at least 3 with help in that alot (you need Astrometrics 4 first). Don't forget that your Covert Ops skill increases your scan strength by 10% per level (if you are in a cover ops ship). Get that to 4 at your first opportunity.

Lastly, there are 3 different implants you could use if you so choose; 1 affects scan strength, 1 affects deviation, and 1 affects scan time. I recommend getting the +3% ones (you are exploring WHs and don't want to get popped with the really expensive +5% ones) when you can afford them.


DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.11.12 17:49:00 - [23]
 

Train Astrometric Rangefinding and Astrometric Pinpointing to level 4, that should help a lot.

If you're going to be doing a lot of exploration, might want to think about getting a scanning implant. I have the Hardwiring - Poteque Pharmaceuticals 'Prospector' PPH-1 which helps a lot.

I'm going to go over a few things as a refresher and maybe there might be some new info for you.

When scanning, you'll have both Cosmic Anomaly's and Cosmic Signatures show in the scan results box. The Anomaly's will all be highlighted by default and showing at 100%, right click on one entry and select 'Ignore this result' will delete all of the Anomaly's at the same time. Left click on one specific text entry will highlight just that one and then can right click and select 'Ignore' or delete that one of choice. To pick out a certain type to delete such as Rogue Drone Anomaly's, left click on the top Drone site listed and then Shift key + Left click on the bottom Drone site listed. This will only highlight the Rogue Drone Anomaly's and can remove those with the r-click 'Ignore' option.

The 'Ignore' sites can be recalled by r-clicking the white arrow located next to the 'Scan Result Filter' on the left side of the scan results box.

Cosmic Signatures are set up into 5 different group types - 4 of these can be quickly ascertained after achieving 25% signal strength. 75% signal strength will show the name of the site.
Gravimetric = Asteroids
Magnetometric = Archaeology/Salvage
Radar = Hacking
Ladar = Gas Clouds

After 25% signal strength, the 'Unknown' group type is actually 2 different types and will show 'Unknown' up to 75% signal strength. At 75% signal strength the name will appear showing which of the 2 different types it actually is.
Wormhole
Combat

The above information can be used with the 'Ignore' option to quickly find the desired type of Cosmic Signature you are looking for, such as a wormhole that hopefully will lead you back to "Known Space", (aka K-space, aka New Eden) or "Wormhole Space", (aka W-space).

I hope this helps you and welcome to exploration.

Vasha Sannavah
Posted - 2010.11.18 21:07:00 - [24]
 

UPDATE: I discovered Melted Nanoribbons!! A few more days of ratting sleepers and I'll be able to buy that Rattlesnake I've always wanted!! Laughing

Celes Steele
Posted - 2010.11.19 04:03:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson


Hmmm, I think you're mistaken.

Combat_Scanner_Probe_I

Core_Scanner_Probe_I

The Combat probe has a base sensor strength of 20 points.
The Core probe has a base sensor strength of 40 points.





I am aware that their base scan strengths are different, but when you set the range the same it equals out. A combat probe has its base strength of 20 at 64 au, half the range to 32 au and the base scan strength will double, to 40. A core probe has a base scan strength of 40 at 32 au, meaning they are equal (when both used at the 32 au range setting). The only reliable way to test this is scan a known object with both types of probes at the same range settings, in the same location. If the % comes back the same then they are scanning at the same strength. I have tested it. Do this and the result should be identical.

Not trying to split hairs here, this is only academic to me. The primary difference between the two is the range they can scan and the fact combat picks up ships etc. and core wont, at the same range they both work the same.

Transient Drifter
Posted - 2010.11.19 20:35:00 - [26]
 

Someone posted a guide to exploration where they started with a new character and made a journal of their first week or two of exploration. The guy was making some decent change, for being a brand new character.

i wish i could find the damn blog... anyone know what i'm talking about?

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2010.11.19 21:13:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Transient Drifter
Someone posted a guide to exploration where they started with a new character and made a journal of their first week or two of exploration. The guy was making some decent change, for being a brand new character.

i wish i could find the damn blog... anyone know what i'm talking about?


I believe this is what you're looking for:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1342231

Noxides
APEX ARDENT COALITION
Nulli Tertius
Posted - 2010.11.22 02:24:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Noxides on 22/11/2010 02:25:35
I know some people wont agree with me but the way I learnt and praticed scanning was to throw myself into the deep end. With very very little scanning experiance I grabbed a small pos and a weeks worth of fuel and moved into a c2 wormhole. If I wanted to do anything in Eve that week I had to scan it down.

I ended up staying there for a few weeks more and now I can scan pretty well. A corpie spent 4 hours trying to scan down a 10/10 complex eariler this week. With the same skills but worse equipment I manage to scan it to 100% in about 8 minutes.

Take the risk Razz


 

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