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Ellsmins
Posted - 2010.11.08 01:33:00 - [1]
 

Solo PVP Thorax.

I had been considering flying a thorax with small blasters so that I would have more room for armor. I know there are many who like this fit, and many who do not. Then I was thinking, why not fit small autocannons? If I use small blasters I get no damage bonus so no difference there with the autocannons, however. The autocannons use no cap so it makes sense? Right?

So I was thinking of something like this.
5x 200mm AutoCannon II
1x Mirco Warp Drive II
1x J5 Warp Scrambler
1x X5 Webifier
1x 1600 plate (probably meta 3)
1x DCU II
2x Adaptive nano membrane I (II when I can get them)
1x For this I wasn't sure for the last slot here, more armor? I was considering a repairer but have ditched the idea.

Any thoughts or tips are welcome and appreciated.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.08 01:40:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 08/11/2010 01:41:52
Why not...

5x Medium Electron Blasters

1x MWD
1x Point
1x Web

1x 1600
1x DCU
1x EANM
1x NANO
1x Magstab

1x Powergrid Rig
2x Trimarks

Works just as wekk I hear?

Mutant Caldari
Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2010.11.08 06:00:00 - [3]
 

[Thorax, New Setup 2]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator

Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Hammerhead II x5
I guess 200's could work also.

Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
Posted - 2010.11.08 07:20:00 - [4]
 

Why do people insist on flying bad setups? This is the only Thorax setup you'll ever need:

[Thorax, Solo]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1

Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
Posted - 2010.11.08 07:40:00 - [5]
 

I've never quite understood putting small blasters (or even ACs) on a Thorax. It's a pointless ship without medium Ions or Neutrons. If you're Gallente and want tank and decent damage, just use a Vexor. If you want (theoretical) face melting dps from a glass cannon then use a Thorax.

I mean I can understand doing stupid stuff with a Moa, or Ferox, or Maller. But it makes no sense to do it with a Thorax. You just end up with a gimp ship. If you have problems applying blaster dps, then use a Vexor or cross-train to a Ruppie instead.


Asuka Smith
Gallente
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Posted - 2010.11.08 08:23:00 - [6]
 

AUTOCANNON thorax? SO scandalous.

TaluxA
Posted - 2010.11.08 08:46:00 - [7]
 

Although Merin is really boring the hurricane is basically better than a t1 cruiser, although soloing you'll have a lot of people refusing to engage you - especially frigates. Plus I find the other tier 2 battlecruisers more fun and it's cool to go out in a cruiser for lols every now and then.

I think the big buffer thorax is usually done with small neutrons but 200mm autocannons should work just as well. Use a YT8 microwarp and a t2 scram at least.

Berendas
Posted - 2010.11.08 08:54:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Berendas on 08/11/2010 08:56:08
How about using medium blasters guns AND a 1600mm plate? Don't see why people insist on flying crap setups.

Heavy Electron Blaster II
Heavy Electron Blaster II
Heavy Electron Blaster II
Heavy Electron Blaster II
Heavy Electron Blaster II

Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive

Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plate
Reactor Control Unit II (works with a t1, but only just)

Hammerhead II x5

Edit: added drones.


Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.11.08 08:56:00 - [9]
 

@Merin, some people prefer t1 cruisers though, especially since insurance changes the difference is a bit more significant (mainly when they reupdate insurance values, granted that would require CCP to do something they said they would do, so is unlikely).

Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
I've never quite understood putting small blasters (or even ACs) on a Thorax. It's a pointless ship without medium Ions or Neutrons. If you're Gallente and want tank and decent damage, just use a Vexor. If you want (theoretical) face melting dps from a glass cannon then use a Thorax.

I mean I can understand doing stupid stuff with a Moa, or Ferox, or Maller. But it makes no sense to do it with a Thorax. You just end up with a gimp ship. If you have problems applying blaster dps, then use a Vexor or cross-train to a Ruppie instead.



This pretty much. There is no reason to fit something besides medium blasters on a thorax, use a vexor if you want that.

Petrov Kreigt
Caldari
Asteroids Civil Rights Union
D'Haran Empire.
Posted - 2010.11.08 09:35:00 - [10]
 

Want to use off race guns on an Gallente cruiser? use a vexor

Lugalzagezi666
Posted - 2010.11.08 11:32:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
@Merin, some people prefer t1 cruisers though, especially since insurance changes the difference is a bit more significant


The second you decide to fit trimarks/acr on cruiser /4-5mil x3/ the difference is gone.

Dav Varan
Posted - 2010.11.08 11:43:00 - [12]
 

Yeah if your gonna fit small guns Ac's are best if you have the skills for them.

I have a Rokh with 8 x 200mm ac's fitted.
Huge tank and 2 x gyro , 2 x te's

Its perfect for jumping into frig swarms and swatting them out of the sky.

Cyniac
Gallente
Twilight Star Rangers
Posted - 2010.11.08 11:54:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Why do people insist on flying bad setups? This is the only Thorax setup you'll ever need:

[Thorax, Solo]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1


Some things I cannot resist.

WTB - BPO for thorax with a 6/4/8 slot layout.

Aerilis
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.11.08 12:10:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Aerilis on 08/11/2010 12:10:20
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Why do people insist on flying bad setups? This is the only Thorax setup you'll ever need:

[Thorax, Solo]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1

http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=7184903Laughing

Lugalzagezi666
Posted - 2010.11.08 12:13:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Aerilis
http://gallente.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=7184903Laughing


Real men hull tank.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2010.11.08 14:30:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
I've never quite understood putting small blasters (or even ACs) on a Thorax. It's a pointless ship without medium Ions or Neutrons. If you're Gallente and want tank and decent damage, just use a Vexor. If you want (theoretical) face melting dps from a glass cannon then use a Thorax.

I mean I can understand doing stupid stuff with a Moa, or Ferox, or Maller. But it makes no sense to do it with a Thorax. You just end up with a gimp ship. If you have problems applying blaster dps, then use a Vexor or cross-train to a Ruppie instead.



It makes good bait. You toss small AC or blasters on a Thorax and you can stick 2x 1600s on it. At that point you're talking a BC level tank.

People don't expect a Thorax to tank like that so while the enemy gang is wasting time beating on the thorax you are spending your time killing them.

Makes much better bait than a Maller which everyone knows is bait. A thorax they expect to have lots of DPS and melt instantly so when it doesn't it usually throws people off a bit.

Ar Zor
Jupiter Force
Posted - 2010.11.08 14:47:00 - [17]
 

If you're going to use undersized weapons and have equal AC and blaster skills, going ACs makes sense.

Note though that the Thorax fits 2x800mm plates (same HP as 1x1600mm plate) and medium electrons, which get a bonus.

No repairer on your fit. Gyro or a third EANM.

I prefer the Vexor for Gallente cruiser with undersized guns. It naturally fits a neut and a 1600mm plate.

Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
Posted - 2010.11.08 15:03:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Cyniac
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Why do people insist on flying bad setups? This is the only Thorax setup you'll ever need:

[Thorax, Solo]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1


Some things I cannot resist.

WTB - BPO for thorax with a 6/4/8 slot layout.


Its not a serious Thorax setup its a poor attempt at sarcasm suggesting that noone should bother with the green dong of death and just fly a Hurricane.

Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.11.08 15:10:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Dav Varan
I have a Rokh with 8 x 200mm ac's fitted.
Huge tank and 2 x gyro , 2 x te's


]SadSmileVery Happy

Seriously though, if your going to use anything but medium blasters on a thorax, you may as well just train minny ships and use a rupture, afterall these will be the ships tearing your rax a new one.

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2010.11.08 15:19:00 - [20]
 

I don't understand why people don't just use the Vexor for this, since you're only losing 20% of your (now unbonused) turret DPS and gaining a ton of drone ability...

p.s. thanks for your helpful contribution to the thread, Merin!! Rolling Eyes

Roosterton
Eternal Frontier
Posted - 2010.11.08 15:20:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Skex Relbore
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
I've never quite understood putting small blasters (or even ACs) on a Thorax. It's a pointless ship without medium Ions or Neutrons. If you're Gallente and want tank and decent damage, just use a Vexor. If you want (theoretical) face melting dps from a glass cannon then use a Thorax.

I mean I can understand doing stupid stuff with a Moa, or Ferox, or Maller. But it makes no sense to do it with a Thorax. You just end up with a gimp ship. If you have problems applying blaster dps, then use a Vexor or cross-train to a Ruppie instead.



It makes good bait. You toss small AC or blasters on a Thorax and you can stick 2x 1600s on it. At that point you're talking a BC level tank.

People don't expect a Thorax to tank like that so while the enemy gang is wasting time beating on the thorax you are spending your time killing them.

Makes much better bait than a Maller which everyone knows is bait. A thorax they expect to have lots of DPS and melt instantly so when it doesn't it usually throws people off a bit.



Except the OP called his fit a solo pvp fit.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2010.11.08 18:38:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: Skex Relbore

It makes good bait. You toss small AC or blasters on a Thorax and you can stick 2x 1600s on it. At that point you're talking a BC level tank.

People don't expect a Thorax to tank like that so while the enemy gang is wasting time beating on the thorax you are spending your time killing them.

Makes much better bait than a Maller which everyone knows is bait. A thorax they expect to have lots of DPS and melt instantly so when it doesn't it usually throws people off a bit.



Except the OP called his fit a solo pvp fit.


I was replying to Vladimir who said he didn't understand why anyone would ever put small blasters on it. Not to the OP specifically.

I was just explaining why one would use a small gun fit. Also if you happened to know you would be facing a high number of frig hulls then it would still be a perfectly valid fit. Or if you were playing docking games.

The point is there are many viable uses for such a fit.

Captain Pompous
Is Right Even When He's Wrong So Deal With It
Posted - 2010.11.08 19:39:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Roosterton
Originally by: Skex Relbore
Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
I've never quite understood putting small blasters (or even ACs) on a Thorax. It's a pointless ship without medium Ions or Neutrons. If you're Gallente and want tank and decent damage, just use a Vexor. If you want (theoretical) face melting dps from a glass cannon then use a Thorax.

I mean I can understand doing stupid stuff with a Moa, or Ferox, or Maller. But it makes no sense to do it with a Thorax. You just end up with a gimp ship. If you have problems applying blaster dps, then use a Vexor or cross-train to a Ruppie instead.



It makes good bait. You toss small AC or blasters on a Thorax and you can stick 2x 1600s on it. At that point you're talking a BC level tank.

People don't expect a Thorax to tank like that so while the enemy gang is wasting time beating on the thorax you are spending your time killing them.

Makes much better bait than a Maller which everyone knows is bait. A thorax they expect to have lots of DPS and melt instantly so when it doesn't it usually throws people off a bit.



Except the OP called his fit a solo pvp fit.



Except the fact that you fail at reading comprehension

Mutant Caldari
Caldari
Percussive Diplomacy
The Phoenix. Consortium
Posted - 2010.11.08 20:39:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Originally by: Dav Varan
I have a Rokh with 8 x 200mm ac's fitted.
Huge tank and 2 x gyro , 2 x te's


]SadSmileVery Happy

Seriously though, if your going to use anything but medium blasters on a thorax, you may as well just train minny ships and use a rupture, afterall these will be the ships tearing your rax a new one.

Too bad the Thorax has 13k more EHP and 50 more DPS. Rolling Eyes

Ellsmins
Posted - 2010.11.08 21:05:00 - [25]
 

Some very good points all around. I am going to try the ACs on the thorax, but also I think I will try the ACs on the Vexor. At first honestly the reason I wanted thorax over vexor was for looks. The looks of vexor have since grown on me.

Ringo Jeicha
Posted - 2010.11.08 21:25:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Why do people insist on flying bad setups? This is the only Thorax setup you'll ever need:

[Thorax, Solo]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1


WTB thorax with hurricane slot layout.

Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.11.09 02:55:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Mutant Caldari
Originally by: Brian Ballsack
Originally by: Dav Varan
I have a Rokh with 8 x 200mm ac's fitted.
Huge tank and 2 x gyro , 2 x te's


]SadSmileVery Happy

Seriously though, if your going to use anything but medium blasters on a thorax, you may as well just train minny ships and use a rupture, afterall these will be the ships tearing your rax a new one.

Too bad the Thorax has 13k more EHP and 50 more DPS. Rolling Eyes


Very Happy
because there is only one fit right ?

Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2010.11.09 13:16:00 - [28]
 

when i flew thoraxes i used

5 med electrons

mwd, point, web

1600mm plate, rcu, ean, dcu, magstab

worked great :)

omgfreemoniez
Posted - 2010.11.09 14:24:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Ringo Jeicha
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Why do people insist on flying bad setups? This is the only Thorax setup you'll ever need:

[Thorax, Solo]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Damage Control II

10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II

425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
425mm AutoCannon II, Barrage M
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I


Warrior II x5
Warrior II x1


WTB thorax with hurricane slot layout.


First you might want to get a clue.


 

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