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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.11.10 21:14:00 - [151]
 

I feel a historical perspective on some of these issues is necessary to understand the thinking of the Freecaptains of the Star Fraction when it comes to the situation in the Providence region.

Our involvement in Providence dates from the very beginning of the CVA and Ushra'Khan's own respective involvements with the region. Our first war as an alliance against the CVA was in large part aimed at their nascent 'Deliverance Project' and we have fought many wars since, often alongside the Ushra'Khan, against the CVA and its avowed vassals and 'Holder' allies. We were present in strength at the Battle of Karishal's Defiance. We witnessed the fall of Unity Station. We prosecuted campaigns against the CVA from KBP7-G to R3-K7K, we struck at our foes out of Assah, Misaba and Dital, against the slavers and their allies in Catch and we harried them and their allies into the Throne Worlds and beyond.

We saw many a long, hard fight. Many a reversal, many a setback, defeats certainly but also victories and achievements that, along with the fighters of the Ushra'Khan, other Minmatar freedom fighters, libertarians of all races and, since the events of YC110, militia warriors, kept the struggle for freedom in Providence alive. Indeed, we had embarked on our last campaign against the CVA and allies at their hegemonic height Operation Black Lustrum before the so-called "Providence War" erupted, as the chronology shows. That campaign, only in its initial phase, and while proceeding well, was overtaken by the events of the greater regional war. The calamitous diplomatic and political errors of the CVA did as much to hasten their demise, in my view, as the forces of AAA, Atlas, the Ushra'Khan and others did.

In our own area of operation, essentially the XV7L-S, P6N8-J and G2E-RJ constellations (sometimes known as "Northern Providence") our primary target the Sev3rance alliance was overcome by the actions of the Daisho Syndicate, Sodalitas XX and Ushra'Khan alliances. Our role as guerilla fighters was at this stage supplementary and by necessity hampered by our hostile posture to certain of the invading powers, not least AAA and Atlas. The experience of being frozen out of the campaign against the CVA in several respects, despite the best efforts of Ushra'Khan diplomats and the example of Sodalitas in setting us blue, gave a foretaste of what was to come in Providence politics but we refrained from comment and focused our efforts against the undoubted foes of all freedom: the CVA and their hold-out vassals their carefully constructed and for quite a time effective feudal empire having been fractured by neglect of the most important principle of feudal politics: rights and responsibilities flow in both directions, not merely to the feudal overlord from the vassals. Yet let me emphasise that while it was operated as a truly feudal polity the CVA hegemony was, by the lights of feudalism, effective.

In the wake of the fall of Holder Providence and the driving of the CVA into a rump state in the south-western arm of Providence, we of the Fraction took stock and considered our options. A campaign that had been planned to last for months, potentially many months, had been cut short and our resources were at a considerable level. We were in close contact with our allies in the Ushra'Khan and we were invited to establish a presence in Providence within the northern area. At this point the AAA-imposed non-invasion pact or "NIP" was in the air, so to speak, and in our discussions with Ushra'Khan leadership we made clear we considered any local treaty to be with them, our allies, and no-one else. We had no intention of cleaving to an imposed NIP and at no point did we do so. This is underlined by later developments I will presently describe.

[conts...]


The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.11.10 21:17:00 - [152]
 

[...contd.]

The Freecaptains of the Star Fraction considered the invitation of the Ushra'Khan to establish a presence in one of the as yet abandoned and unoccupied systems of Northern Providence. We looked at the proposition from the point of view of an opportunity to develop infrastructure in a system of the outer regions with the possibility of establishing a freeport station. The question of security was addressed by our bilateral treaty with the Ushra'Khan, which was determined at that time to move to an NRDS engagement posture in order to politically develop the region and encourage trade. From our point of view this was ideal. It was also helpful that our neighbours Sodalitas XX were allied to us in a bilateral relationship, together with various other alliances in the region.

Initially, Daisho Syndicate had also adopted a non-aggression pact with us but enclosurist tendencies began to manifest themselves rapidly, culminating in Daisho forces deliberately firing on Star Fraction vessels in the XV7L-S constellation. The issue, as so often, was primarily a question of free transit and access to resources. From our viewpoint, Daisho Syndicate had adopted a deeply old-fashioned and short-sighted view of Outer Region development, retrograde in its outlines even compared to the policies of the CVA vassalage. Conflict was inevitable but Daisho Syndicate did not wish open warfare and with the arbitration of Ushra'Khan and Sodalitas diplomats an openly-agreed peace treaty with terms guaranteeing free transit and resource exploitation rights was brokered. The Owner-Captains of the Star Fraction voted in open council for this treaty and we adhered to it.

This treaty was later summarily torn up by Daisho Syndicate shortly after the illusory comforts of cynosural jamming came online in their systems. Before this, however, came our decision to commit fully and openly to the development of the region by constructing an outpost TAZ Norlonto in our administered system of YWS0-Z. Before too long Sodalitas XX were, in our view, led astray as the madness of the "Fight Club" toxic meme descended on Providence and reset us to neutral and valid targets in open space for their pilots. This was sad inasmuch as Sodalitas XX had certainly behaved as courteous and trustworthy neighbours and, indeed, several of their pilots appeared to regard TAZ Norlonto as a useful waystation in the KBP to 9UY corridor.

Of wider and even more tragic significance was the unthinking acceptance of the Fight Club meme into the political framework of those who had fought alongside one another to liberate most of Providence from the slaver's iron heel. By now events elsewhere had in large part captured the attention of AAA and Atlas, drawing them out of meaningful involvement in the politics of Providence. A resident alliances of Providence council had formed out of the war councils of the campaign against the slavers. This council involved alliances fully under the AAA-imposed NIP, those who were in a direct allied position with respect to AAA and those few, like the Star Fraction, with independent bilateral relationships with other Providence residents. It was with incredulity that we witnessed the abandonment of allied relations across Providence even while the CVA, Paxton and other hold-outs fought back. The treachery that befell the Ushra'Khan led to a temporary re-establishment of normal relations between natural allies but again we goggled as the alliances were once again abandoned while the job of expelling Hydra and frustrating the opportunism of the CVA was unfinished. Always the toxin of the Fight Club meme was allowed to pulse through the veins of the body politic and override rational, strategic relationships in favour of sheerest lunacy.

[conts...]

The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.11.10 21:20:00 - [153]
 

Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 10/11/2010 21:55:38
[...contd.]

A hopeful counter-sign to the insanity of the Fight Club meme, was the recognition by the residents of Providence that a freely-federated political framework was desirable. Out of this recognition and several open meetings among the leaders of the various alliances was born the voluntary non-invasion pact or NIP. This was the first time that the various residents entered into an agreement with one another on equal terms and freely-negotiated. At this point the Star Fraction, having no difficulty with the terms of the NIP treaty voted for and freely-entered into the Providence residents NIP. It is important to understand that the NIP was a basic agreement to refrain from attacks on the sovereignty and infrastructure of other signatories. It was in no way a mandatory mutual defence pact. Anyone who argues it was must, by simple logical consistency, argue that the NIP was violated when several notable signatories refused to aid Damu'Khonde in their defence of KBP7-G against the Pandemic Legion invasion force. Yet often, loud and long were the complaints from various quarters when one "call to arms" or another was not answered by one alliance or another.

Never did it seem to penetrate into the minds of those hypnotized by the Fight Club meme that the corrosive effects of constant ship-to-ship warfare between the Providence residents were the true root of the lack of enthusiasm, among many alliances, corporations and, most importantly, pilots for answering the call from one alliance or another to help defend them. Basic human responses coupled with basic rationality cannot be overlooked when constructing a political system. If a pilot is on one day ambushed and destroyed by multiple members of a "neighbour" alliance is he really going to be inclined to risk everything to defend such people? Some might, under the lash of their alliance leaders or because in thrall to the madness of the Fight Club, but others are hardly going to give it their all to aid on the morrow those who on the yesterday ruthlessly destroyed their ship. Perhaps some pilots made a show, bringing to fights some easily expendable ships with substandard equipment and, perhaps, crews that could be sacrificed without too much regard. Others, more principled we would argue, simply disdained to take their ships and crews into battle to defend those who would otherwise kill them.

The only logic that made this crazed political system even function was the logic of temporarily allying with one enemy to destroy another greater enemy. This is a logic that works in a transient situation and which we certainly have no difficulty with when it makes sense. It makes very little sense as the rickety foundation of a free federation of capsuleers in compact to develop a region and defend it from the resurgence of slavers and the encroachment of new overlords. It makes even less sense when time and again the threat assessments made were complacent and totally wrong. Those who know Providence and its ways, who understand the astropolitics of the region, as it were, know that it is ever under external threat and pressure. Its position astride secure space, low-sec and various unstable Outer Regions, combined with multiple stations in virtually every constellation, throws up many challenges. Quite apart from the inherent lunacy of the Fight Club meme, is the fact that it is stark staring madness to actively seek internal conflict when there are conflicts aplenty to be found with pirates, raiders, wolfsheads, rump imperialists, opportunistic invaders and all the rest.

One would think, by now, that some alliances would realise that Providence is not a fight ring respected and protected by the conventions of sportsmanship. It is a battlefield and it has long been a battlefield and it will long be a battlefield. To lose sight of this simple truth is to lose one's ability to take sensible decisions in the region.

[conts...]

The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.11.10 21:22:00 - [154]
 

[contd...]

Still, despite all the political difficulties and the instability of the diplomatic environment, we kept our own counsel, never speaking out publicly against any Providence resident, not engaging in the internecine political warfare we saw take place between some, not actively hunting or raiding against Providence residents even though most would happily attack us. We had made our commitment to the region. We had fought alongside those who were our true allies, we answered their calls as best we could. We constructed a new post-liberation outpost in Providence. We operated it as a freeport at which all allies and neutrals could dock. We kept open the door of diplomacy and would have been happy to negotiate bilaterally with any Providence resident, and indeed with some we did and do maintain bilateral agreements. We had no time for the various plots and counter-plots of Providence and quite frankly attended to our own business as was our sovereign right as free capsuleers.

The shape of the future began to become apparent, however, when lines began to be drawn within Providence and new sub-hegemonies and "Gentlemen's Agreements" began to emerge in certain quarters. It was clear that certain alliances had decided that they would be the arbiters of who administered which system, who operated which outpost. Their view of this took no account of whether a given alliance had constructed a given outpost themselves, taken it as a spoil of their own combat with the CVA and its allies or been allocated it as a crumb from the table of the victors. It was nonetheless uncomfortable for them to be reminded that TAZ Norlonto had been constructed by us with our own resources in the post-liberation phase. This point carried weight with many Providence alliances and stymied at least one attempt to "administratively reallocate" the station.

Of course, there are certain realities and it is a sad fact that the power struggle began to tilt in the favour of the new hegemonists and Fight Clubistas when Pandemic Legion mounted its invasion of key Damu'Khonde holdings and certain Providence powers stood aloof, apparently not regarding the invasion as a serious threat to them even though they had regarded previous threats to the very same systems as the direst of emergencies. When I do not know the full facts about a political development, I do not make firm assumptions but I do let the ancient Amarr principle of Cui Bono guide me in my tentative analysis of the situation. When one examines the political and diplomatic situation before the Pandemic Legion invasion and compares it with the situation after the conclusion of the invasion and applies Cui Bono then, at the least, certain, shall we say, not unreasonable suspicions begin to make themselves apparent in one's mind.

By this point, the grim picture of things to come was crystal clear. We saw Damu'Khonde/Ushra'Khan betrayed and brought to the point of departing Providence. We saw the Final Stand removed in favour of race traitors and turncoats. We were then summarily ejected from the NIP without a hearing or notice, itself a violation of agreements made in open council, and the ICE alliance was imported as clients of BDEAL to take our outpost when we refused to part with it for the absurd sum of 400m ISK. Even while we defended ourselves, NOIR were handed an ultimatum and took such action as they felt appropriate an action I do not agree with but hardly have difficulty in understanding given the actions of their, and our, erstwhile fellow Providence residents and voluntary NIP signatories. We then fought against and defeated the invaders and continue to fight those who have vowed to remove us from our outpost.

Understanding all this history, as we see it, can anyone really believe that we would regard overtures from the Fight Club Top Hat and Monocle Supreme Council to fight on their behalf with anything but incredulity?

The Cosmopolite

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.11.10 21:51:00 - [155]
 

I consider Star Fraction to be quite wise in not placing any trust in the Providence residents. While a few can form some personal loyalty towards other groups they're all happy to use and discard anyone else.

CCP Jericho

Posted - 2010.11.11 02:33:00 - [156]
 

Out of character posts removed.

Caius
Caldari
Posted - 2010.11.11 12:46:00 - [157]
 

Quote:
I cannot speak for the rest of Teutonic Guard or for the Providence Coalition, but I think that, if you fought against Ev0ke alongside the rest of the Coalition, relations between our alliances and the rest of Providence might improve.


I will never fight beside you Mr. Faust. You are a dishonourable dog. Emaline, one of your pilots asked me for a 1v1 and I took her up on it. Once she was almost dispatched with you and 2 others came on to the field and began to try and kill me. You and another lost their ships for this treachery, and more than mere isk loss, I lost all respect for you and your pilots. I will never fly to defend your space or that of any "big hat" group, as you dont deserve anything but distain for your dishonourable nature.

Dunn Idaho
Caldari
Core Impulse
Posted - 2010.11.11 19:54:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Dame Death
Edited by: Dame Death on 10/11/2010 15:00:08
Hrmm yet annother 5+ page sf post could someone give me the TL;DR by any chance?


****ty alliances trowing **** at each other.
Its not pretty, and they all make themselfs look bad, over and over again.

Dunn Idaho
Core impulse

Flashh Gorden
Exile Consortium
Nihilists Social Club
Posted - 2010.11.12 14:13:00 - [159]
 

Most of the people involved in that Nip represent everything the so called free captains claim to fight against.

Why on earth enter into deals pacts and bargains with such villans and scumbags in the first place?
Was holding some space that important?


Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.11.12 14:55:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Flashh Gorden
Most of the people involved in that Nip represent everything the so called free captains claim to fight against. Why on earth enter into deals pacts and bargains with such villans and scumbags in the first place? Was holding some space that important?


I think if you read closely you will see that the only people we really cared about in Providence were our allies in the Ushra'khan. As for the rest, well, we hoped to persuade them on the merits of NRDS free trade and we worked quite hard in the months after liberation to sell the advantage of a freespace pipe through KBP->9UY as a first step in opening the region to neutral pilots. Of course history will show we were less than successful in that attempt and indeed our primary allies in the region ended up getting back-stabbed and turned upon by the johnny-come-lately outfits in the "big-hat" coalition.

But here's the thing pilot Gorden. We didn't expect anybody would take us seriously in our urging for a global NRDS/Freespace policy in Providence if we didn't stake anything ourselves. The construction of TAZ Norlonto in YWS0-Z system was us putting our isk where our mouths were and standing up to demonstrate what we believed in could work. We staked 25b isk to construct an open-borders system with a free access outpost because otherwise we were simply talking heads without anything to bargain with. We installed full bounty-hunting upgrades in the IHUB not because we ever wanted to be staying there to use them but so visiting neutrals could earn isk to spend on the things we were selling them. This was construction for ideology.

As for the NIP pact stuff. Well, I think we've all seen what that is worth in the long term. Interesting if you read back to last summer on the issue with our short war with Diasho Syndicate in the first weeks after liberation you'll see that the Fraction was pretty divided on the issue of trying to deal with these people or simply shoot them in the head. It was a marginal open vote of the free captains that swung it to diplomacy and though the Fraction leadership honoured that decision to the best of our ability, its no secret that Jericho leadership specifically was pretty opposed to the notion and many of us had deep misgivings from the beginning. But an organization like ours respects internal democracy and free choice of the movement, and sometimes mistakes need to be made to learn from them.

"Holding Space" has never been important to the Free Captains pilot Gorden. Opening a Freeport so that all neutrals could dock and trade in post-liberation Providence was. In retrospect you can certainly say that we were foolish or misguided to expect any fellow-feeling or understanding of our ideological intentions from the "big-hats" but this is a cold hard universe when all is said and done, and you really get anything unless you try.

Its an adage as old as new eden that you don't fly what you can't afford to lose and I think it goes for outposts as well. Don't build what you can't afford to lose.

This campaign of ours is not about saving TAZ Norlonto, as you can see, the dream of the place and notion of a freespace outpost in a gradually opening Providence has been betrayed and stiffled by the insanity of the "big-hat" fightclub (regional NAP coalition) and the base jealousies and petty xenophobia of its leadership.

Of course one might have hoped for better from those displacing slavers and tyrants than simply putting on the discarded slaver's robes and sitting on the thrones to order a new tyranny in place, but thats the tricky thing with territorial memetics and regressive hierarchical thinking. Its very difficult to remove from the human psyche and while we try our utmost with peaceful persuasion, diplomacy, economic incentives and open debate, it is a sad fact of the universe that often the most compelling argument remains ...

Shooting imperialism in the face.

We can do that to.

Intigo
Amarr
Genos Occidere
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.11.12 16:42:00 - [161]
 

I miss Revan. She was cute. :3

And I would like to state for the record that I am utterly surprised to find Jade writing walls of text.

claire xxx
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.11.13 14:33:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: Flashh Gorden
Most of the people involved in that Nip represent everything the so called free captains claim to fight against.

Why on earth enter into deals pacts and bargains with such villans and scumbags in the first place?
Was holding some space that important?




What's that old saying? "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."

We tried to be friendly and engaged in diplomacy with other organizations in Providence, and it didn't work out so well. Basically it boils down to three things.

1. We wouldn't join their gate camps to attack neutrals.
2. We wouldn't join in their "fight club" attitude.
3. They violated pre-existing diplomacy on more than one occasion.

So now they're all whining and crying that we won't help defend them.

Whether we lose or keep YWS0 still leaves to be seen, but either way we are (as an alliance and individual pilots) not compromising our ethics to help alliances and pilots that have betrayed us in the past.

Claire XXX

Sinti Vailatti
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Posted - 2010.11.13 16:04:00 - [163]
 

""Holding Space" has never been important to the Free Captains..."

Interesting words considering all the crying that occured whenever you lost a POS in Kamela.

Got me thinking though. SF and U'K have been allies, yes. In another thread I was giving a Dadelus X pilot grief because for all thier talk of freeing slaves, they're employing at least one person that regularly commits atrocities on slaves.

This would be like the Theology Council hiring Koronakesh as an interpreter.

Anyway, I think a lot of us are well used to how SF and by extension Daedalus X spin their actions. Whatever. Everyone spins a story to make themselves look like the hero.

Then I was thinking...see, I was telling U'K that they should be careful who they hire because they already got jacked from within.

Now I see it Jade. Very smooth. You're trying to be the one who pulls U'K strings.





The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.11.13 17:51:00 - [164]
 

Occasionally Amarr agents provocateurs and race-traitors are subtle in their attempts to drive wedges between those who fight for freedom and against the monstrous empire they serve. This is not one of those occasions.

As for the strange reference that I assume to be to one of the Battles for Space and Freedom in Kamela: I see no necessary connection between a battle centered on a fixed asset in space and a concern with holding space. Obviously in the mindset of the race-traitors and imperialists it is all one and the same but this hardly means it is so in the minds of the freecaptains and other lovers of liberty.

Meanwhile, the struggle against those who wished to steal another fixed asset in space, TAZ Norlonto, and who continue to vow to dispossess us, continues.

The Cosmopolite

Victoria Stecker
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2010.11.13 18:03:00 - [165]
 

I see Sinti is still bent out of shape over an incident that occurred several months ago. Apparently she hasn't noticed everyone telling her that U'K doesn't care about capsuleer "slaves," and they like Ammatar scum even less than I do. How exactly she spun that into SF trying to pull our strings... I really have no idea. Maybe if I get bored, I'll try to figure it out. Or I'll just find her and put her out of her misery as a "slave."

Nah, she's kinda cute. Maybe I'll keep her soul in a jar next to Gemma's.

claire xxx
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.11.14 12:57:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Sinti Vailatti
""Holding Space" has never been important to the Free Captains..."

Interesting words considering all the crying that occured whenever you lost a POS in Kamela.

Got me thinking though. SF and U'K have been allies, yes. In another thread I was giving a Dadelus X pilot grief because for all thier talk of freeing slaves, they're employing at least one person that regularly commits atrocities on slaves.

This would be like the Theology Council hiring Koronakesh as an interpreter.

Anyway, I think a lot of us are well used to how SF and by extension Daedalus X spin their actions. Whatever. Everyone spins a story to make themselves look like the hero.

Then I was thinking...see, I was telling U'K that they should be careful who they hire because they already got jacked from within.

Now I see it Jade. Very smooth. You're trying to be the one who pulls U'K strings.







Out of curiosity, do you even live in the same reality as the rest of us?

~Claire

Ugleb
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.11.15 17:12:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: The Cosmopolite

It is important to understand that the NIP was a basic agreement to refrain from attacks on the sovereignty and infrastructure of other signatories. It was in no way a mandatory mutual defence pact. Anyone who argues it was must, by simple logical consistency, argue that the NIP was violated when several notable signatories refused to aid Damu'Khonde in their defence of KBP7-G against the Pandemic Legion invasion force. Yet often, loud and long were the complaints from various quarters when one "call to arms" or another was not answered by one alliance or another.


For the Ushra'Khan (and latter Damu'Khonde), our treaties were all negotiated as mutual defence pacts against outside threats. This was meant to be the basis for the entire coalition, each alliance having the freedom to run their own daily affairs but to join together to defend each others holdings when threatened. So it was as you say, a complete breach of the pacts in place for Daisho Syndicate, Sodalitas XX and Dara Cothrom to stand aside when Pandemic Legion launched their attack upon KBP7-G. Their hope at this time was for Pandemic to do the work of removing us as their perceived rivals for them.

Originally by: Jade Constantine
This campaign of ours is not about saving TAZ Norlonto, as you can see, the dream of the place and notion of a freespace outpost in a gradually opening Providence has been betrayed and stiffled by the insanity of the "big-hat" fightclub (regional NAP coalition) and the base jealousies and petty xenophobia of its leadership.

Of course one might have hoped for better from those displacing slavers and tyrants than simply putting on the discarded slaver's robes and sitting on the thrones to order a new tyranny in place, but thats the tricky thing with territorial memetics and regressive hierarchical thinking. Its very difficult to remove from the human psyche and while we try our utmost with peaceful persuasion, diplomacy, economic incentives and open debate, it is a sad fact of the universe that often the most compelling argument remains ...


Something that is often missed or ignored about the foundation of the Providence 'NIP' pacts is that it was a collaboration between -A- and Ushra'Khan, and that the NIP was meant to be enforced between its membership, not by threat of -A- intervention (although that possibility obviously played on the minds of many entering into it).

The result was that some alliances were brought into the NIp by -A-, and others by Ushra'Khan. I think an underlying issue came in with this, those alliances brought in by -A- typically looked to -A- as traditional 'overlords' over the region, by virtue of being the local superpower. -A- on the other hand once offered that title to Ushra'Khan, and some of our neighbours knew it. I think that on some level this inspired the urge to usurp our position, despite the simple fact that we turned down -A-'s offer and sought to deal with our neighbours as equals.

The Providence NIP has been repeatedly held back and disrupted by the need of some of its members to approach the situation as you might a traditional null sec political structure, where one alliance takes the lead and the others follow suit. That was never how the NIP was meant to work, and that has created no end of troubles. The events following the Ushra'Khan's 'disbanding' and reforming under Damu'Khonde were ultimately an attempt by one subset of the NIP to seize control and influence by forcing a troubled 'rival' out. Ultimately we could see no benefit or need to remain in that position so left Providence to run itself without the added friction caused by our presence. How it will fare under outside pressure now being brought to bear by Ev0ke/Ewoks remains to be seen.

The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.11.15 17:44:00 - [168]
 

Ugleb, by and large, I have no quarrel with your remarks and I believe your analysis of the internecine political warfare between the Providence council member alliances to be sound.

I would note that in the remarks you quote I am discussing the voluntary NIP established by the Providence residents and which was the first and only NIP that the Star Fraction entered into. It is certainly true, as you say, that our bilateral treaty with the Ushra'Khan/Damu'Khonde was in the nature of a mutual defence pact, which we made all possible efforts to honour. I think it is worth noting that any such mutual defence clauses were left entirely out of the voluntary, Providence residents NIP and left in the realm of what I vividly recall being described as "Gentlemen's Agreements". Of course, what we can now see is that such agreements were essentially the basis for creating rival power blocs within Providence.

Sadly, I think the essential error in thinking within the Providence council goes deeper even than that which you analyse. The Providence council rapidly became, in the minds of many member alliances, an entity that had claim and powers of ownership over the entirety of the Providence region. In other words, it became a kind of Providence-wide state which arrogated to itself powers to declare who should occupy which system, which constellation even, and by default who should operate which outposts, which infrastructure, and of course, who should have access to which resources. With that kind of thinking at play it became inevitable that there would be a struggle for ascendency and overlordship. We see this all the time in statist political entities. The state, by its manifold powers and claims to ownership, control, regulation and the like, is seen as the object of power by those within and under state control. Therefore, to achieve ultimate power, achieve primacy within and, perhaps, over the state.

If the Providence residents had established themselves and remained as a free federation of resident alliances and corporations, with notions of ownership and administration over the entirety of the region left firmly outside and in the imaginations of the imperialist foes, then it may have been possible to come to a natural, region-wide framework of mutual co-operation and self-defence. Instead, we had the demented madness of the "Fight Club" meme and its inevitable concomitant: attempts to levy people at the point of a gun (ie. the threat of violent dispossession) into defensive actions in support of people who perhaps only an hour before had been deadly foes.

All those who resisted this alien imposition of statism onto a federation of allies against numerous external threats were subjected to the usual pressures and either submitted or resisted until the point came when the Supreme Top Hat and Monocle Fight Club Council decided to eliminate such resistance by the only logic it understands: violence.

The Cosmopolite

Ugleb
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.11.15 18:14:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: The Cosmopolite

Sadly, I think the essential error in thinking within the Providence council goes deeper even than that which you analyse. The Providence council rapidly became, in the minds of many member alliances, an entity that had claim and powers of ownership over the entirety of the Providence region. In other words, it became a kind of Providence-wide state which arrogated to itself powers to declare who should occupy which system, which constellation even, and by default who should operate which outposts, which infrastructure, and of course, who should have access to which resources. With that kind of thinking at play it became inevitable that there would be a struggle for ascendency and overlordship. We see this all the time in statist political entities. The state, by its manifold powers and claims to ownership, control, regulation and the like, is seen as the object of power by those within and under state control. Therefore, to achieve ultimate power, achieve primacy within and, perhaps, over the state.


A valid observation, in our own case we found that other NIP members began to see it as their right to demand that we cede whole systems over to them, for various reasons none of which we considered valid. KBP being the prime catalyst. Our position was a simple one, it was our system and one in which we provided part of a jump bridge network open to all Provi residents.

We had to deal with repeated claims and attempts to wrest control of it from us, a result we thought would have harmed both us and the rest of the coalition who relied on the jump bridge link for access to empire. The Pandemic Legion assault on it was clearly seenm as an opportunity towards that end, and so support to defend it from certain alliances was denied. Later, one of those alliances secured control of it in a transfer from Pandemic. Such opportunism is bound to weaken the the whole.

Revan Neferis
Amarr
Propaganda Due
Posted - 2010.11.16 23:09:00 - [170]
 

Edited by: Revan Neferis on 16/11/2010 23:09:37
Originally by: Intigo
I miss Revan. She was cute. :3




* winks

Many hugs to you, you're missed as well!
I'll be back later on when not so busy planeteside.

R.N

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.11.22 16:53:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Sinti Vailatti
""Holding Space" has never been important to the Free Captains..."
Interesting words considering all the crying that occured whenever you lost a POS in Kamela.


Are you referring (somehow) to the heroic sequence of tower fights in Kamela beginning last autumn and concluding in the epic victory of the Fraction and our matari allies at the battle of space and freedom IV?

Quote:
Anyway, I think a lot of us are well used to how SF and by extension Daedalus X spin their actions. Whatever. Everyone spins a story to make themselves look like the hero. Then I was thinking...see, I was telling U'K that they should be careful who they hire because they already got jacked from within. Now I see it Jade. Very smooth. You're trying to be the one who pulls U'K strings.


So your theory is that Daedalus X is a Star Fraction infilitration attempt against our allies in Ushra'khan? Mind-boggling really. Here, let me award you the most clueless post in the thread award against some quite stern opposition.

DDSacrilege
Posted - 2010.11.23 16:06:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

So your theory is that Daedalus X is a Star Fraction infilitration attempt against our allies in Ushra'khan? Mind-boggling really. Here, let me award you the most clueless post in the thread award against some quite stern opposition.



<3 Jade

Icarus3
Gallente
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.11.23 16:11:00 - [173]
 

Just wait until you see what DX4 has planned for the near future Twisted Evil

SpotlessBlade
Trust Doesn't Rust
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.12.02 04:13:00 - [174]
 

Edited by: SpotlessBlade on 02/12/2010 04:14:39
So I've just now read this post. And I just about fell out of my chair laughing at the reversals from the providence big (A**) Hats. Jade first of all, well damned done. Recognizing capabilities versus ego is the penultimate quality of any small or guerilla alliance of freedom fighters. I am ashamed to say that is a lesson that we in Ushra'Khan may have forgotten and are just now relearning. That being said, -SF- performance has been stellar and your adherence to the cause has been unwavering.
And when faced with an organization of freedom fighters who have not forgotten their purpose, what do our enemies do? Some fall apart, some ask for forgiveness, and others beg for your help.

Never forget their rationalizations for their betrayals of the NIP and Ushra'Khan. How many reasons they had!!! some were real but the majority were convoluted exscuses for territorial expansion. And where did there aspirations bring them? To the brink of destruction, with hordes of soulless enemies baying at their doors with the puny remnants of their NIP as protection. Oh the irony.

U'K I believe wanted what was best for providence. A fertile ground where strength by ability and honor remained instead of pure numerical superiorities and meta-gaming. The alliances of the time scorned the united strength that we could have shown, and now they fall in droves, fleeing providence as we once did in the face of their treachery. Can you imagine the response that a unified providence with Bdeal, CO2, SF, Agony, U'K, and all could have shown these interlopers? So much wasted potential at the hands of their greed.

At least with CVA's return to power, maybe honor and the warrior spirit will return to providence, along with the Ushra"khan.

Well Done SF!
O7

Wingnuut
Gallente
Cryo Innovations
Posted - 2010.12.02 20:40:00 - [175]
 

To the Free Captains of the Star Fraction,

Speaking on behalf of Teutonic Guard, I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for the misunderstanding regarding the attack by Teutonic Guard on the Free Port of TAZ Norlonto. The circumstances were confusing, miscommunication occurred and actions were taken that were not intended. We have taken steps within our alliance to prevent another occurrence such as this from happening again.

As such, we accept the cessation of hostilities with the Star Fraction. In addition, we are willing to acquiesce to the request of allowing the pilots of Star Fraction to dock in G-5.


Former CEO Of Teutonic Guard Alliance
Wingnuut

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.12.02 21:13:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Wingnuut
To the Free Captains of the Star Fraction,

Speaking on behalf of Teutonic Guard, I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for the misunderstanding regarding the attack by Teutonic Guard on the Free Port of TAZ Norlonto. The circumstances were confusing, miscommunication occurred and actions were taken that were not intended. We have taken steps within our alliance to prevent another occurrence such as this from happening again.

As such, we accept the cessation of hostilities with the Star Fraction. In addition, we are willing to acquiesce to the request of allowing the pilots of Star Fraction to dock in G-5.


Former CEO Of Teutonic Guard Alliance
Wingnuut



There comes a time to accept that a particular opponent has been wounded enough for the needs of vengeance and its fair to say that the last couple of months has been particularly hard on Teutonic Guard. The war with the Fraction began when pilots of Teutonic Guard aided the cowardly assault on the Freespace Outpost of TAZ Nortlonto alongside the now dead "on the rocks alliance" and we considered this a particular betrayal given the friendly welcome we'd given to TG on their arrival in providence in the months before Ushra'khan were driven out by the "big hats."

Hence the fury of the Free Captains expressed in the months of slaughter we have brought to Teutonic Guard in G-5 and Ammatar territories accounting for around 10.3 billion isk inflicted and around 221 recorded ship kills concluding in the functional collapse of TG as a spaceholding entity several weeks ago and the final dissolution of the concord sanctioned alliance indentity a couple of hours ago this evening.

In the wake of this dissolution I met with CEO Wingnuut in Faspera system where he proposed to negotiate the formal surrender of Cyro Innovations (former executor corp of Teutonic Guard) and we agreed to accept this on provision he make restitution to the symbolic total of 400m isk.

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With the formal elimination of Teutonic Guard alliance that brings our total to 3 dead alliances and 21b isk punitive damages inflicted against the "big hats" and their servants and hirelings thus far.


Xyla Vulchanus
Amarr
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.12.06 19:51:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Intigo
And I would like to state for the record that I am utterly surprised to find Jade writing walls of text.


Whenever I read a communication from a member of Hydra I want to puke in my pod. Are they incapable of posting anything that isn't sarcastic? Is every single one of them an angst-ridden teenage virgin? Why anyone would want to be associated with this bunch is totally beyond me.

Star Fraction, keep fighting the good fight!

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.02.07 19:05:00 - [178]
 


Update.

As of the beginning of this year we have moved on from dismantling the "big hat" allies who moved against Norlonto. Over the course of the campaigning several entities were effectively destroyed and we accounted for a punitive damage total of over 21b isk against the initial traitors and turncoats who sought to purchase the freeport for the laughable sum of 400m.

While a few billion short of our target (24-25) we had to yield to the conclusion that there was literally nothing left of our initial foes to break anymore.

For the last month or so we have switched our intentions to the Evoke/Ewok coalition in Providence and in due course will detail the campaigning there. Its been a fruitful beginning and we're up to 11.5b isk damage on the industrialists and minor pawns of this territorialist alliance in Providence but we have much further to go and raise a toast to the ghost of freedom in YWS0-Z as we torch the roaches and miners of this "elite combat alliance" who chose to steal the labour of others and then bleat to the Privateers for help when things went wrong at home.

It takes around 24b isk to establish an outpost. So far the enemies of the Fraction have paid 33b to steal one.

War continues.

Vaarun
Amarr
The Night Crew
Posted - 2011.02.07 19:50:00 - [179]
 

Edited by: Vaarun on 07/02/2011 19:52:17
Originally by: Jade Constantine

Update.

As of the beginning of this year we have moved on from dismantling the "big hat" allies who moved against Norlonto. Over the course of the campaigning several entities were effectively destroyed and we accounted for a punitive damage total of over 21b isk against the initial traitors and turncoats who sought to purchase the freeport for the laughable sum of 400m.

While a few billion short of our target (24-25) we had to yield to the conclusion that there was literally nothing left of our initial foes to break anymore.

For the last month or so we have switched our intentions to the Evoke/Ewok coalition in Providence and in due course will detail the campaigning there. Its been a fruitful beginning and we're up to 11.5b isk damage on the industrialists and minor pawns of this territorialist alliance in Providence but we have much further to go and raise a toast to the ghost of freedom in YWS0-Z as we torch the roaches and miners of this "elite combat alliance" who chose to steal the labour of others and then bleat to the Privateers for help when things went wrong at home.

It takes around 24b isk to establish an outpost. So far the enemies of the Fraction have paid 33b to steal one.

War continues.



Ahh...victory through better spreadsheeting.

Your skills at massaging numbers and drawing conclusions has always amazed me.

You would claim 33B of damage as a victory against a 24B station, when you need to depreciate your own balance with the loss of 24B for ths station in addition to any other losses. If they still hold the station and you have incurred more than 11.5B in losses, I think they have the upper hand, no? It's not about the amounts that have changed hands, but the ground you hold.

I am not well-versed in nullsec economics, but 33B, 24B, and 11.5B seem like pocket change. Most reports I read from nullsec speak of SOV and general conquest. They do not have to resort to making a few isk-based bullet-points to justify their situation. Having and holding SOV speaks volumes. All other efforts are background noise.

Regardless of your hand-waving, I see you without a system, without a nullsec station, and destroying Ewoks in highsec. I assume you are confident that killing frigates in Dital will have a ripple-effect to crush the economies and morale of the Ewoks in Nullsec, no?


And, in anticipation of your likely responses, I will diffuse them now so you can address the real issue of your non-victory victory:

1) Yes, COP has disbanded for now. Our ambition outweighed our determination.

2) One does not to be a "pilot of any consequnce" to be able to read between your lines.


I look forward to further massaging in your upcoming wall-of-text update on how you are winning the war...when you are really not.

Always the freedon fighter, but never freeing anyone. How romantic the endless struggle against overwhelming odds must be...


Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.02.07 19:57:00 - [180]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 07/02/2011 20:39:39

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