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Stroveni
Posted - 2010.10.26 12:18:00 - [1]
 

Hi all,

Decided to bail on the BT forums as its full of people complaining about their speeds.

I would like to completely block bittorrent or limit the bandwidth allocation significantly on my whole network as my housemate is using all the bandwidth so much so that i cant even watch a 240p video on youtube.

I have a homehub which is about as technical as a ball attached to a cup by a piece of string.

I am aware of port forwarding and have forwarded a massive range of ports to 0.0.0.0 on 255.255.255.255 but that didnt work. I have also tried to use BT's Access control on the hub but unsurprisingly that didnt work.

So...i have two questions:

1. Can BT completely block all ports torrent use which will not effect the speed of the broadband on all other ports?
2. Can i throttle the torrent speeds or block bittorrent completely from the router?

Im going to get the 50Mb virgin connection next month so he can have the BT connection to himself but i still want torrents blocked to teach him a lesson. (The BT connection is free for me because i work for them hence why im not disconnecting it when i get virgin)

Cheers in advance for any help given

Tom

P.S Before anyone says, you would think i would know if BT can block this stuff because i work for the company but im in a different BT Group so dont have a clue.

Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
Posted - 2010.10.26 12:23:00 - [2]
 

hi cat here

I don't know about BT or their silly routers, but I have a Linksys with DD-WRT which has some nifty QoS features.

On a related note, I would quite strongly advise against Virgin. I'm sure their limit is higher for 50mb than my 10mb, but I think if you download ~2gb in four hours they throttle your connection to 1MB for five hours... Pretty weak really considering I watch all my entertainment using things like iplayer. Weekends I have to be quite careful not to go over otherwise I end up pulling my fur out in frustrations lol

x

Stroveni
Posted - 2010.10.26 12:29:00 - [3]
 

BT routers are awful, they are so dumbed down for the general nit wits who use them and think the internet is a "a very big computer with lots of wires coming out of it". Anyone like me who has studied networking cant make sense of them. anyhoo, rant over.

Im not too bothered about download limits as i dont personally download torrents or download anything really. I thought the main limits were applied if there are high downloads which have gone through the torrent ports. I read somewhere that normal ports are ignored in terms of download limits. I will need to find out more about this. Im going to Virgin because my uncles wife works for them so i will get 50% mates rates. 15 for 50Mb sounds lovely to me. Laughing

Tom

ceaon
Posted - 2010.10.26 12:37:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: ceaon on 26/10/2010 12:43:41
afak there are no QoS that allow you some bandwidth speed reduction on desired ports

DD wrt have some Qos features but only set a priority not cap speed for certain ports, there is a expensive solution to this, for example TL-WR1043ND have a feature that allow you to set a bandwidth cap

Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.10.26 16:05:00 - [5]
 

You are doing it wrong.



I run a torrent client. The things you want are all controlled through the torrent client. Stop wasting your time on the router. Make your housemate to set their torrent client to upload at 7 kBytes/s, that will solve your issues.

If you want to block his torrent client completely:
Raise firewall setting in the router. Or. Remove all the ports that are forwarded to the torrent client. Side note, when the firewall in my router is set to Low, torrent client does not have any trouble in working, however, when the firewall is set to Medium, torrent client can not connect to other clients and trackers, and needs ports forwarded to it to get through the firewall.

So. It depends what you want. You want to block your housemate completely, remove forwarded ports,raise the firewall setting and make sure your housemate is not allowed to change these two things. If you want to continue to share the connection with torrent client, just make the housemate to change torrent client setting for uploading, from my own observations, for service with 128 kbit/s upload speed the torrent client should be set to 7-9 kByte/s, after 9 kByte/s I have trouble downloading websites and stuff.

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.10.26 16:16:00 - [6]
 

Using a loadbalancer here which is used between ~30 people. Can set it so that only recognized mac addresses are given an ip lease, and it can limit bandwidth and connections per user.

Something Random
Gallente
The Barrow Boys
Posted - 2010.10.26 16:58:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Reiisha
Using a loadbalancer here which is used between ~30 people. Can set it so that only recognized mac addresses are given an ip lease, and it can limit bandwidth and connections per user.


This is your route to glory in this case. The Homehub does very little clever but it does block connections to specific MAC addresses if you wish - go into homehub settings, insert your MAC addresses (found with an IPCONFIG, then read off the info for your connection).

When he comes crying, kindly point out to him that attempting to leach the entire internet of 'stuff' in one night ****es you off. Unless he sets his torrent fairly, he dont get nuttin - pull a knife at this point for 'emphasis'.

Some elements of this process are purely voluntary.

Besides - how the hell did he get a torrent working right during your surf time ? If your in job, torrents are pretty much shaped to death by BT. Maybe your shift worker?

el Sabor
Posted - 2010.10.26 20:30:00 - [8]
 

I had this issue with some housemates a couple of years back on a virgin media connection. They knew nothing about torrents and didn't seem to understand they were uploading too.

We just unplugged their cable whenever the internet slowed down... problem solved!

Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
Posted - 2010.10.26 20:39:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: el Sabor
I had this issue with some housemates a couple of years back on a virgin media connection. They knew nothing about torrents and didn't seem to understand they were uploading too.

We just unplugged their cable whenever the internet slowed down... problem solved!


hah reminds me of a story, back when i rented a room, i gave someone else in the house an ethernet cable and access (for a price) and was dismayed at the high level of traffic going through that port... he swore he wasn't torrenting etc, so i investigated.

i remember asking the guy "erm... not to intrude, i mean whatever you're into, but there's some suspicious traffic coming from your pc..."

i ended up sorting his pc virus out for him (for a price lol) but it was a strange virus. seemed to visit some fetish sites that i would never have dreamed existed, repeatedly Shocked

x

Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Posted - 2010.10.26 22:24:00 - [10]
 

The problem with torrent is (in many cases) not bandwidth, but the fact that some of the most popular programs for it have extremely crappy default settings.

If he sets the limit to 20 connections incoming/outgoing (and no additional outgoing slots opened if it's slow) and require encryption at least on incoming connections, that should take care of it.

Default is in many cases more than 150 connections.

Afaik you can't reliably detect and block/shape bittorrent traffic. It's easy to use nonstandard ports, and it's difficult to analyze if encryption is activated.

dr doooo
Posted - 2010.10.26 23:18:00 - [11]
 

I'm no expert on this kind of stuff, but I guess this really shouldn't be hard to sort out. I figure from your post that the freebee virgin hardware doesn't help you here?

If you can afford 50mb broadband, then I guess you can afford 30 or 40 on a decentish cable router that can let you each have your own networks, and share the bandwidth out fairly?

I've been getting by on a crap old router for a few years now, with the aerial ripped out by a toddler a while ago. I just bought a new Cable Wireless Router that gives you all sort of options for controlling traffic on your network(s). I was mainly looking for gigabit wired networking and a usb port, but I am pretty sure I saw routers when looking that could share the bandwidth out fairly, on your own personal networks if needs be, for much less than the 60 I spent.


dr doooo
Posted - 2010.10.26 23:45:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Scorpyn
The problem with torrent is (in many cases) not bandwidth, but the fact that some of the most popular programs for it have extremely crappy default settings.

If he sets the limit to 20 connections incoming/outgoing (and no additional outgoing slots opened if it's slow) and require encryption at least on incoming connections, that should take care of it.

Default is in many cases more than 150 connections.

Afaik you can't reliably detect and block/shape bittorrent traffic. It's easy to use nonstandard ports, and it's difficult to analyze if encryption is activated.


I'm not really too sure about this. I have a 15mb cable connection, and I have huge numbers of connections running sometimes ( I think it's set to 300 atm). That never really seems to be a big issue on it's own these days. It's just high download (obviously) and upload bandwidth that screws things for other stuff. Even voip is passable with torrents running these days if you allow enough bandwidth, where as not that long ago I would always have to kill utorrent when using it.




Caldari citizen52145894561
Posted - 2010.10.27 00:50:00 - [13]
 

Get Verizon home internet!
the router they set up is owned by them but has customizable settings, I don't know if it has QoS, but I have never had a problem with "download limits" or ****. It also has password protection so your roommate cant change settings without the password. it also has a built in firewall, and other tools. if you have any questions post them.

Oh and lose the hub, you are right about it being as technical as a ball of string (and just as effective)

Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.10.27 01:54:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Caldari citizen52145894561
Get Verizon home internet!
the router they set up is owned by them but has customizable settings, I don't know if it has QoS, but I have never had a problem with "download limits" or ****. It also has password protection so your roommate cant change settings without the password. it also has a built in firewall, and other tools. if you have any questions post them.

Oh and lose the hub, you are right about it being as technical as a ball of string (and just as effective)

lol

Back when I first got DSL from Verizon, Verizon gave me DSL modem/router/hub/wireless ap. Guesss what? That thing is not able to encrypt wireless communication because the company that makes them (Westell) built that particular series in China. To protect encryption technology from Chinese, Westell was not allowed to use some special chip while their modems were built in China.

My point is that every provider has some low points. I would not put Verizon above other providers.

fhyuiowauhsipabraphsprai
Posted - 2010.10.27 16:26:00 - [15]
 

then don't use wireless

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2010.10.27 17:57:00 - [16]
 

disabling uPNP/NATMAP should suffice, altho that also means that you won't be able to use the uPNP/NATMAP stuffs.

Victor Valka
Caldari
The Kairos Syndicate
Transmission Lost
Posted - 2010.10.28 03:24:00 - [17]
 

1. Yes. But not at port level. Instead, they could block it at protocol level.
2. See (1). It would require a rather advanced router, though. Not aware of any consumer grade router that has such a feature.

cheet sheet
Posted - 2010.10.28 08:37:00 - [18]
 

Quote:
Im going to get the 50Mb virgin connection next month so he can have the BT connection to himself but i still want torrents blocked to teach him a lesson. (The BT connection is free for me because i work for them hence why im not disconnecting it when i get virgin)


Grow some balls and tell him about what he is doing he may not know and if he gives you some lip break his face. Crying on here how you want to teach him a lesson.

Major Kaboomski
Posted - 2010.10.28 23:04:00 - [19]
 

1. buy a cheap computer
2. set up centos
3. iptables configuration
4. tc on portrange
5. ?????
6. profit

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.10.29 03:19:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
hi cat here

I don't know about BT or their silly routers, but I have a Linksys with DD-WRT which has some nifty QoS features.

On a related note, I would quite strongly advise against Virgin. I'm sure their limit is higher for 50mb than my 10mb, but I think if you download ~2gb in four hours they throttle your connection to 1MB for five hours... Pretty weak really considering I watch all my entertainment using things like iplayer. Weekends I have to be quite careful not to go over otherwise I end up pulling my fur out in frustrations lol

x


Cat, you just went up a notch on my respect roster. Now if you stopped putting MSG in your recipes I just might let you serve as a rifleman in my beloved corp.


thatbloke
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.29 10:34:00 - [21]
 

simple solution: tell your housemate to stop being a douche and stop hogging all bandwidth while other people are using the network. If he refuses, take a pair of scissors to the ethernet cable he's using. If he's on wireless then even the homehub should have the ability to block a MAC address. Do that.

I have very little tolerance for people with such little consideration for others.

Zebram
Posted - 2010.10.29 10:54:00 - [22]
 

Hi if you work for BT why not upgrade to Infinity Broadband unlimited if its in your area you could get a possible 40mb connection and it would still be free and give you and your housemate enough bandwith for both.
I get free Infinity due to my lass working for BT and the upgrade was free and still no cost per month :)


 

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