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Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle
Nostradamus Effect
Posted - 2010.10.22 21:40:00 - [1]
 

So, it would seem to me, ganks on the increase BIG time, that null sec was, and will remain safer than high sec for quite some time.

Besides the many, MANY Tengus being ganked by many solo pilots lately, I also read about a 20-30 billion isk Kronos meeting it's untimely death in a high sec system.

Now, having spent probably half of my EVE life in High Sec, and half in Null Sec, I've come to the conclusion that, yes, if you live in Null Sec, expect to loose ships. BUT, for the most part, you can control the ships you loose, because you only loose them defending your space or going on roams, OR being stupid like I found on the hard way. Generally speaking, you know when there's an inbound fleet due to numerous intel channels, and have time to dock up your nice big expensive plex/anom running or rock smashing ship, get out your cheapy gank fitted whatever, and have some pew pew with a 50/50 chance (Depending on who you're with) of loosing your ship.

But in High Sec, it's anyone's game. I undocked in Jita, only to have my hull targeted by a Dominix. What was I in? Tengu? CNR? a piddly little 19mil isk Manticore (15 for the hull, 4 for the cloak), with nothing on board. Now I know it's Jita, but still....it's a Manticore, and a Domi trying to target and warp scram me. I mean come one.

Anyways, this is not a whining post, or a bragging post, I just like discussion. I personally try to keep things a bit smarter than undocking in high sec with a ship worth more than 300 mil MAX. So this does not affect me whatsoever, nor probably ever will.
So without further adieu,

Discuss.

Xious
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.10.22 22:04:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Xious on 22/10/2010 22:14:03
It kind of helps that high sec is about 95% more populated than null.

King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2010.10.22 22:08:00 - [3]
 

That's the result of player patrols combined with local chat as an infallible intel tool. My home low sec system is also safer than much of high sec. I fly pve ships there I wouldn't dare take to high sec as they would get suicide ganked sooner rather than later. That said, I don't think high sec is unnecessarily dangerous. It's about right IMHO. It's low/null sec that's the problem. As it stands, you have a 0% chance of catching me or anyone else out there who isn't looking for a fight or being careless. And that's the problem.

With local chat giving fool proof real time intel, you just can't sneak up on anyone. That combined with the ability to add combat probes to your overview with an external tool (and it isn't considered an exploit) and you have no excuse for getting caught. I am assuming of course you have friends or an alt around around so you know about any hostiles camping the gate next door. So until local is removed as an intel tool, low and null sec will remain the safest places in eve to do your carebearing.

Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.10.22 22:12:00 - [4]
 

I too like to make posts and drawn conclusions after my ship is merely targeted by another ship. How dare they target me. In high-security space no less, where is concord anyways. Go live in 0.0 and I'll show you exactly how "safe" it is.

Direwolf Lord
Posted - 2010.10.22 22:53:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Direwolf Lord on 22/10/2010 22:55:33
my understanding is that a warp scrable would have been an agressive act and in turn the domi would be killed. so you might complain but someone just lost a BS to Warp scramble you.

now if this was because of a war dec then what the hell are you doing here? all is fair in love and war

Originally by: Corporal Punishment08
So, it would seem to me, ganks on the increase BIG time, that null sec was, and will remain safer than high sec for quite some time.

Besides the many, MANY Tengus being ganked by many solo pilots lately, I also read about a 20-30 billion isk Kronos meeting it's untimely death in a high sec system.

Now, having spent probably half of my EVE life in High Sec, and half in Null Sec, I've come to the conclusion that, yes, if you live in Null Sec, expect to loose ships. BUT, for the most part, you can control the ships you loose, because you only loose them defending your space or going on roams, OR being stupid like I found on the hard way. Generally speaking, you know when there's an inbound fleet due to numerous intel channels, and have time to dock up your nice big expensive plex/anom running or rock smashing ship, get out your cheapy gank fitted whatever, and have some pew pew with a 50/50 chance (Depending on who you're with) of loosing your ship.

But in High Sec, it's anyone's game. I undocked in Jita, only to have my hull targeted by a Dominix. What was I in? Tengu? CNR? a piddly little 19mil isk Manticore (15 for the hull, 4 for the cloak), with nothing on board. Now I know it's Jita, but still....it's a Manticore, and a Domi trying to target and warp scram me. I mean come one.

Anyways, this is not a whining post, or a bragging post, I just like discussion. I personally try to keep things a bit smarter than undocking in high sec with a ship worth more than 300 mil MAX. So this does not affect me whatsoever, nor probably ever will.
So without further adieu,

Discuss.

Ormus Vinge
Posted - 2010.10.22 23:13:00 - [6]
 

As long as you need just some cheap BS to kill expensive Missionrunner Ships, some deadend 0.0 is way safer than Highsec.

Rolling Eyes

Freelance Swan
Posted - 2010.10.22 23:29:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Freelance Swan on 22/10/2010 23:33:03
It is very easy to loose the POD in nullsec becouse of the bubbles.
I never lost a POD in high or low sec, just becouse of this (spam warp button and you are safe).
So: in nullsec is extremely risky to use implants, you can end up wasting a huge amount of money, while you can keep a single high-grade of whatever for almost your whole eve life if you are carefull.

And: if you stay in your deep homebase in your huge alliance then you can really be safe before enemies get through, but be in a contested zone or in a npc controlled null sec space: that is a complete different thing.

Not all nullsec is the same, but one rule is for all: you can loose pod there A LOT more easier then in high/low sec space.

PS
about the domi locking your manticore, it's a very silly example: he wanted to "test" you maybe, or he wanted to scan your cargo (a lot of people put crazy expensive thing in those little ships) or he wanted to simply get you aggressed and concorded (think if you had some module on 'standby'....

Ghoest
Posted - 2010.10.22 23:30:00 - [8]
 

An empty null-sec systems is obviously safer than any system anywhere that has even 1 person in it.

On the other hand a null-sec system with 1 person you dont know is more dangerous than almost all high sec.

Captain Sweatervest
Posted - 2010.10.22 23:38:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: King Rothgar
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Hit the nail on the head. I've not been caught with my pants down in ages (the combat probes on overview is just icing on the cake really) and I have some really rediculous carebear ships in regular use. Laughing Granted, most of what I do for isk is taken care of in a cheaply fit carrier with a toss-away cyno alt, but if I needed to fly one of my marauders i'd be in almost no danger.

kano donn
New Path
Posted - 2010.10.22 23:44:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
An empty null-sec systems is obviously safer than any system anywhere that has even 1 person in it.

On the other hand a null-sec system with 1 person you dont know is more dangerous than almost all high sec.


QFT

Amy Aim
Posted - 2010.10.23 00:04:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Amy Aim on 23/10/2010 00:25:29
It's actually pretty silly. The carebearing is so strong with the 0.0ers well some of them.

Here's my experience with 0.0 from a couple weeks ago.

I had randomly decided to buy an industrial character when I was drunk. So my main who was involved in low sec pvp at the time was put on hold for a little bit. So I joined this industrial 00c0 indutrial corp that was blue to the NC. It was based out of HPS5 or something if I can remember. Sometimes people got ganked if they were afk mining and there was a red in system. Or alone at a sanctum But is was pretty cool. I got bored obviously though in a couple days.

So... I decided to buy a character and put in a spy. I was to lazy to go to Evoke but I found a corp called The Highflyers, pretty much part of IT. joining them was really easy. They kept all their jump bridge passwords on the alliance bullitins? I dunno if everyone does that.... anyway besides losing tons of ships due to other spys, lol. (My first day there were lol invasions and outrages at a spy because they had given a bunch of passwords away and everyone got roflslaughtered, the whole allians TS was funny, all the whining. But anyway most people in Highrolers and seemingly the entire place wanted to rat more than join fleets they were more carebare then the industry nc corp.

All in all I wasn't about to get rofl slaughtered I was a spy anyway so I was doing wormholes and playing games in intel chat/ alliance chat. I would join defense fleets and just listen as I was in unknown space at the time clearly this is probably lack of protocal on their part.

Anyway I got bored with that. All the spys didn't need any spy help. Some of them realized I was probably a new spy and invited me to the counter intel channel this was the most hilarious channel aiI've been in.

But anyway I eventually went back to my main who was in faction warfare where there was more semi balanced pvp fights and actually pretty fun. Any way the moral of the story is if you want to carebear and do it hard, I mean really hard, go to 0.0 it does not get anymore hardcore carebear then that.

Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.10.23 00:25:00 - [12]
 

In null, you're surrounded by people you trust almost completely. When somebody you don't trust pops in system, you kill them.

Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.10.23 01:12:00 - [13]
 

Quote:
So, it would seem to me, ganks on the increase BIG time



Stopped reading here, *yawn*

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.10.23 02:12:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Corporal Punishment08
null sec was, and will remain safer than high sec for quite some time

And this is news how ?
Also, depends on perspective (or rather, alliance controlling the area and your affiliation to them).

Bhattran
Posted - 2010.10.23 02:18:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Corporal Punishment08
... I just like discussion. I personally try to keep things a bit smarter than undocking in high sec with a ship worth more than 300 mil MAX. So this does not affect me whatsoever, nor probably ever will.
So without further adieu,

Discuss.


I do too, but there isn't anything to discuss, I'm sure some newer players would be unaware of this but a few seconds of thought on how 00 works and they'd figure it out.


Mr Kidd
Posted - 2010.10.23 09:27:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Mr Kidd on 23/10/2010 09:28:29
Originally by: Ormus Vinge
As long as you need just some cheap BS to kill expensive Missionrunner Ships, some deadend 0.0 is way safer than Highsec.

Rolling Eyes


I was ganked by a geddon while in a badger with 10mil in cargo in hisec. The bar is dropping.

Neith Ankt
Posted - 2010.10.23 09:36:00 - [17]
 

Nothing like ratting(anoms) in null with two thanatos. You ever seen what 26 Warden II do to gurista battleships?

We see 1 hostile in our ratting system on average every two-to-three weeks. Ratting 1h a day earns enough to loose 3 carriers a month haha :D

Screw highsec


(obvious alt for safety reasons /glare at the east space)

BingBing Betty
Posted - 2010.10.23 09:49:00 - [18]
 


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.10.23 09:55:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 23/10/2010 09:58:45
Originally by: Corporal Punishment08
So, it would seem to me, ganks on the increase BIG time
What makes you say that?
Quote:
Now I know it's Jita, but still....it's a Manticore, and a Domi trying to target and warp scram me.
How do you know this?

Mrs Destruction
Posted - 2010.10.23 10:11:00 - [20]
 

This thread is dumb, ambiguous, and subjective. 0.0 is simply a lack of CONCORD.

Some "may" feel as safe as high sec if you have a really great alliance and are deep in a carebear enclave surrounded by PvPers, but I guarantee you that you won't fly around in a PvE fitted faction BS or pimped Mar in 0.0 with the same careless nature that you would in empire.





\O

Jhagiti Tyran
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2010.10.23 10:23:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Mrs Destruction
This thread is dumb, ambiguous, and subjective. 0.0 is simply a lack of CONCORD.

Some "may" feel as safe as high sec if you have a really great alliance and are deep in a carebear enclave surrounded by PvPers, but I guarantee you that you won't fly around in a PvE fitted faction BS or pimped Mar in 0.0 with the same careless nature that you would in empire.


Thats the whole point most pilots in nullsec take charge of their own safety, people do fly pimped ships but they do it responsibly and cautiously so most of the time they don't get themselves into a situation where they would get killed.

Empire missions runners feel safe and don't take any responsibility for their own safety and fly around carelessly and when the inevitable happens it hits them like a gang **** from 20 angry gorillas without using lube.

Br41n
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.10.23 11:32:00 - [22]
 

The only reason for this is that 95% of ppl in highsec go around solo without any corp mates / friends nearby.

In 0.0 you live with a bunch of ppl all looking at the same interest and are close by thus you make it safe yourself.
If one would apply the same tactics in highsec it would be just as safe (minus just shooting neutrals/reds coz yeah that'd make concord busy)

ZenSun
SniggWaffe
FREE KARTTOON NOW
Posted - 2010.10.23 12:29:00 - [23]
 

Losing, lose; Opposite of gaining, winning..

Loosing(lol?), loose; The action of expanding or changing something in size. 'My jeans are too loose'.

Hanneshannes
Posted - 2010.10.23 12:40:00 - [24]
 

I feel a lot safer in 0.0. There aren't so many people, as you said, you know when something is happening, you have JBs and POSs to get safe/out...

I prefer life in 0.0.

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2010.10.23 13:43:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Antihrist Pripravnik on 23/10/2010 13:45:18
Originally by: Corporal Punishment08
So, it would seem to me, ganks on the increase BIG time, that null sec was, and will remain safer than high sec for quite some time.

Besides the many, MANY Tengus being ganked by many solo pilots lately, I also read about a 20-30 billion isk Kronos meeting it's untimely death in a high sec system.

Now, having spent probably half of my EVE life in High Sec, and half in Null Sec, I've come to the conclusion that, yes, if you live in Null Sec, expect to loose ships. BUT, for the most part, you can control the ships you loose, because you only loose them defending your space or going on roams, OR being stupid like I found on the hard way. Generally speaking, you know when there's an inbound fleet due to numerous intel channels, and have time to dock up your nice big expensive plex/anom running or rock smashing ship, get out your cheapy gank fitted whatever, and have some pew pew with a 50/50 chance (Depending on who you're with) of loosing your ship.

But in High Sec, it's anyone's game. I undocked in Jita, only to have my hull targeted by a Dominix. What was I in? Tengu? CNR? a piddly little 19mil isk Manticore (15 for the hull, 4 for the cloak), with nothing on board. Now I know it's Jita, but still....it's a Manticore, and a Domi trying to target and warp scram me. I mean come one.

Anyways, this is not a whining post, or a bragging post, I just like discussion. I personally try to keep things a bit smarter than undocking in high sec with a ship worth more than 300 mil MAX. So this does not affect me whatsoever, nor probably ever will.
So without further adieu,

Discuss.


Ok, your point is somewhat valid, BUT... (there's always "but"Smile)

What exactly prevents your corporation or alliance to make a list of known ganker corporations/alliances? You can just put them on red standings list and form an intel channel, much like in 0.0

Next thing - if you do missions, stay away from overpopulated mission hubs just as 0.0 players stay away form doing plexes or ratting in populated 0.0 hubs

A battleship managed to target your Manticore in front of the station? Then you are flying it wrong. The first principle of undocking in 0.0 is to always have insta-warpout point. Use that in highsec too and a battleship could not target even your Orca after undock, let alone a stealth bomber.

Docking is almost the same. If you live in 0.0 and have reds in local you should never warp directly to a station by clicking it on the overview. Good 0.0 pilots avoid docking in potentially dangerous stations, but since highsec don't have bubbles you can always make an insta-dock point somewhere around the station perimeter. That spot should be in the middle of nowhere, ex. the spot shouldn't be between the station and any celestial. Use that spot to dock.

Many Tengus being ganked? It's solely their fault. Every good 0.0 Tengu has Covert Reconfiguration and Interdiction Nullifier. Since you don't need Interdiction Nullifier in empire, covert reconfiguration would be enough. I, and many others, are trying to tackle clacky/nullified T3s in 0.0 all the time and barely anyone ever succeeds - even with sensor boosted interceptors. If ou need to travel in your Tengu, fit a Covert Reconfiguration, put whatever subsystem you use instead for PvE in cargohold, travel to destination and just swap. When you're done, put Covert on again and you're on your way.

As you can see, the real problem of highsec ganks are not gankers, but clueless victims that don't use their brain or any effort in making themselves more secure.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.10.23 16:42:00 - [26]
 

OP your logic is inferior and you know it, and your assumption of numbers is contradictory to what CCP publishes.

The ganking of ridiculously expensive mission ships is no indication of anything other than the obvious.

V'hellu
Posted - 2010.10.23 16:51:00 - [27]
 

answer to topic subject "Null sec is safer than high sec".

No it's not.

/thread

Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.23 16:58:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Ghoest
An empty null-sec systems is obviously safer than any system anywhere that has even 1 person in it.

On the other hand a null-sec system with 1 person you dont know is more dangerous than almost all high sec.


QFT

0.0 is MUCH safer than high sec WHEN EVERYONE IN THE SYSTEM IS FRIENDLY.

Because killing anyone you can find in space is an option in 0.0, getting space that is pleasent mix of blue and green is frequent. Thus the safety. When you can PRE-EMPTIVELY kill anyone that MIGHT shoot at you in high sec, it will be just as safe.

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2010.10.23 17:12:00 - [29]
 

So, it would seem to me, paranoia is increasing big time.

I targeted some Manti in Jita just to test the locking time on my sebo Domi, and the next thing I know, I'm accused of being a hisec ganker.Sad

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.10.23 17:15:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 23/10/2010 17:27:15
Look at the areas where most PvP takes place on the map. There's reason to be on your toes in Hisec.


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