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DoomGaze3
Minmatar
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2010.10.21 13:21:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: DoomGaze3 on 21/10/2010 13:48:05
So I've recently come back from hiatus. I played for a couple months back in 08. The reason I stopped playing was my work schedule simply didn't permit it. I'd get home, do chores and then I'd get to play for like a half an hour before maintenance kicked in.

Anyways, at the urging of a friend, I fired my account back up recently because I now have the time to play the game proper. However, I'm constantly running into recruiters who are asking me about the hiatus. So far, all of my applications have been rejected because of it.

"Yes, I'm in an NPC corp."
"I couldn't play because I didn't have the time."
"Yes, I've been in an NPC corp for 2 years because my previous corp went bust and booted everyone."

Am I hosed? Should I just delete this toon and start from scratch? Because I suspect I look like some kind of a sleeper agent or something to these people. Give it to me straight, folks. How hosed am I?

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.10.21 13:22:00 - [2]
 

I don't know why you should be hosed at all. Just keep looking.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.10.21 13:23:00 - [3]
 

Not very.
If a corp won't let you in because of that, you probably don't want to be in it anyway.

Ran Khanon
Amarr
Swords Horses and Heavy Metal
Posted - 2010.10.21 13:27:00 - [4]
 

What miss De'Veldrin said. Don't see why you would be hosed at all. You are one of many with long hiatii in their corp histories due to breaks from EVE.

If you really want to join a particular corp which has issues with it, offer them your limited API so they can do a background check on all the chars on your account. If they are still *****ing over it, screw them and move on.

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2010.10.21 13:30:00 - [5]
 

Seconding that any recruiter that is too dumb to accept that people take breaks from the game isn't worth wasting your time with.

Rather than chasing corps to apply for, you could make a 'FOR HIRE' thread in the recruitment subforum listing your experience and of course explaining that you are a returning player. Might want to stress how long you intend to be back for.

Failing that, get yourself noticed in game and your past won't matter.

Ka'Zar
Posted - 2010.10.21 13:35:00 - [6]
 

I left the game and idled in an NPC corp for a littler over a year. When I came back and went to find a real corp they asked me about it but were just like "oh ok" when I explained. Been with them ever since.

DoomGaze3
Minmatar
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2010.10.21 14:13:00 - [7]
 

One of the problems here, I suspect, is the caliber of corp that I'm trying to get into. I was trying to find a pretty serious corp with open recruitment. No offense to anyone present, but I'm tired of fly-by-night operations that disintegrate after a few months. My last corp pulled the old bait and switch on me after telling me I wouldn't be mining. I wound up mining after a week. Ick.

Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.10.21 14:29:00 - [8]
 

o/

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.10.21 15:08:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Lady Spank
Seconding that any recruiter that is too dumb to accept that people take breaks from the game isn't worth wasting your time with.

Rather than chasing corps to apply for, you could make a 'FOR HIRE' thread in the recruitment subforum listing your experience and of course explaining that you are a returning player. Might want to stress how long you intend to be back for.

Failing that, get yourself noticed in game and your past won't matter.


THIS...QFT.


Marko Riva
Posted - 2010.10.21 15:19:00 - [10]
 

Then again, while I understand that people can have legitimate reasons for a "weird" corp history, I can fully understand corps (with some standards) to go "no thanks". It's called not willing to take a "risk", which you take anyway when taking on new players.

Just keep at it, explain the situation and at some point you should find a corp. On the other hand, if you're really low on SP and you wasted/misused your remaps then you might want to reconsider restarting. But that's difficult for us to gauge atm.

Cyrus Doul
E0 Corp
Posted - 2010.10.21 16:53:00 - [11]
 

Get your friend who made you come back get you into his corp. He can vouch for you.

DoomGaze3
Minmatar
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2010.10.22 03:16:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: DoomGaze3 on 22/10/2010 03:18:30
Unfortunately, he's new to EVE. He just upgraded from a trial. Oh, and hello Aiwha. o/

His corp, 101st Marines, is one of the corps I applied to. They rejected me as well. :/

Komen
Gallente
Capital Enrichment Services
Posted - 2010.10.22 16:27:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: DoomGaze3
One of the problems here, I suspect, is the caliber of corp that I'm trying to get into. I was trying to find a pretty serious corp with open recruitment. No offense to anyone present, but I'm tired of fly-by-night operations that disintegrate after a few months. My last corp pulled the old bait and switch on me after telling me I wouldn't be mining. I wound up mining after a week. Ick.


Um...just say no to pushy CEO's? I'd have told them in no uncertain terms that there would be no need to boot me for nonparticipation, because I would be departing immediately if not sooner. Of course, I have a special hate for mining, having done it for three years. Luckily I discovered missio...oh wait. Laughing

Orange Lagomorph
Posted - 2010.10.22 16:49:00 - [14]
 

Welcome back to EVE. Enjoy your elitist hassle perpetuated by imbeciles who fancy themselves the Cigarette Smoking Man from The X-Files. Most of these people couldn't out-think a carrot, but by God they won't be letting any spies into their organization.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.10.22 17:39:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
Welcome back to EVE. Enjoy your elitist hassle perpetuated by imbeciles who fancy themselves the Cigarette Smoking Man from The X-Files. Most of these people couldn't out-think a carrot, but by God they won't be letting any spies into their organization.


I really love reading your posts. They always make me snicker.

Cozmik R5
Minmatar
Dock 94
Posted - 2010.10.22 19:13:00 - [16]
 

Delete and lose what you already have? Blasphemy !!!

Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention
Middle of Nowhere
Posted - 2010.10.22 19:43:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Catari Taga on 22/10/2010 19:44:45
When recruiting people, a hiatus usually is not a problem. On the contrary, if you've been here and are back there's a better chance of you staying this time, in particular if people have friends in the game which give them a reason to stay around. But I don't think I would recruit you. Why?

1. Dude, your face!
2. You are whining on the forums.
3. Sounds like you are not playing with your friend, i.e. either you do not have a friend, you are disloyal or you are not a team player.
4. You name contains a number, i.e. you are probably dull because you cannot even come up with an original name (or you are in fact the alt of DoomGaze 1 and 2).
5. Your bio. You must confuse EVE with Facebook. I don't like Facebook.
6. Your bio says you did get to play 1-2 hours, your OP says 30 minutes, which gets me back to item #2, or you invented the whole thing and are just bad at remembering it.
7. You want a "pretty serious corp with open recruitment" and don't see the contradiction in that.

Good luck.

DoomGaze3
Minmatar
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2010.10.23 02:46:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Catari Taga
Edited by: Catari Taga on 22/10/2010 19:44:45
When recruiting people, a hiatus usually is not a problem. On the contrary, if you've been here and are back there's a better chance of you staying this time, in particular if people have friends in the game which give them a reason to stay around. But I don't think I would recruit you. Why?

1. Dude, your face!
2. You are whining on the forums.
3. Sounds like you are not playing with your friend, i.e. either you do not have a friend, you are disloyal or you are not a team player.
4. You name contains a number, i.e. you are probably dull because you cannot even come up with an original name (or you are in fact the alt of DoomGaze 1 and 2).
5. Your bio. You must confuse EVE with Facebook. I don't like Facebook.
6. Your bio says you did get to play 1-2 hours, your OP says 30 minutes, which gets me back to item #2, or you invented the whole thing and are just bad at remembering it.
7. You want a "pretty serious corp with open recruitment" and don't see the contradiction in that.

Good luck.


My personal feelings about the tone of your post aside, I chose my name for a good reason and I regularly play with my friend (and others). So if you think you'd be a good recruiter because you can make specious assumptions about people, you might want to reconsider your logic just a bit. Or perhaps I'm the one who's wrong and being a good recruiter is actually entirely about making specious assumptions about people. Food for thought...

Anyways, the point of my post wasn't to whine. It was to opine the forums about a course of action. I am not asking for sympathy. I'm asking for advice.

Still looking, BTW. :)

Catari Taga
Centre Of Attention
Middle of Nowhere
Posted - 2010.10.23 03:07:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: DoomGaze3
Anyways, the point of my post wasn't to whine. It was to opine the forums about a course of action. I am not asking for sympathy. I'm asking for advice.

Alas, my post, while tongue in cheek, is also good advice since it might give you an idea what those recruiters rejecting you might have been thinking. Apart from that is making specious assumptions indeed all a recruiter's job is about, both in RL and in this game, but in particular in this game where new alts are quickly made or bought and where ruining someone else's day is both the most profitable way to play the game and the reason many if not most people actually play. Wink

Tangonis Galt
SOMER Blink Transport
Posted - 2010.10.23 18:21:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
Welcome back to EVE. Enjoy your elitist hassle perpetuated by imbeciles who fancy themselves the Cigarette Smoking Man from The X-Files. Most of these people couldn't out-think a carrot, but by God they won't be letting any spies into their organization.


LOL Cool

Templar Dane
Amarr
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2010.10.23 18:37:00 - [21]
 

A simple api check on their part would solve the problem of them suspecting you're an infiltration alt, mostly.

DoomGaze3
Minmatar
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2010.10.26 03:27:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Templar Dane
A simple api check on their part would solve the problem of them suspecting you're an infiltration alt, mostly.


The funny thing is that they still think I'm a spy or alt even after they check my API key.

Ma'kal
The Imperial Commonwealth
E.Y
Posted - 2010.10.26 03:45:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Not very.
If a corp won't let you in because of that, you probably don't want to be in it anyway.


Agreed

Shura'Sokoris
Gallente
Point of No Return
Waterboard
Posted - 2010.10.26 06:45:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
Welcome back to EVE. Enjoy your elitist hassle perpetuated by imbeciles who fancy themselves the Cigarette Smoking Man from The X-Files. Most of these people couldn't out-think a carrot, but by God they won't be letting any spies into their organization.


"couldn't outthink a carrot"...I'm stealing that. Laughing

Phoebus ApolloX
Posted - 2010.10.26 07:24:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Phoebus ApolloX on 26/10/2010 07:29:18
No one should have to scrap a character in this game, each pilot's story is part of what makes them who they are in the game, more importantly there is never a reason to lose hard earned SP. I'd think it's fair to ask about a long hiatus, sure, but I've recruited some players who had long breaks from the game and they wound up being some of my best pilots. Fact is my bigger concern about someone having a long hiatus is just to gauge whether they actually like Eve and want to get back into it or if their resumed play is just done on a lark, not if they're someone's alt/toon spy. This is very much a game where people 2-3 years ago quit and are now getting back into it en mass to see what's changed. There's so many lulls in Eve and the game is old enough now it's hard to expect from all but the most dedicated players to not have taken a long break or two.

Every recruiter will be paranoid about alts and toons, fact is aside from asking for an api key and getting a backstory, you have no way to know if someone is or isn't a spy. Spies will get into any corp/alliance they really seek, so a recruiter is just kicking himself in the shin trying to do more than get api checks and consistent backstories to clear members from the spiez. Anyone who thinks anything else is just being naive/stupid.

The best defense against spies? Don't have privileged roles in your corp because even hundred man corps can be managed administratively without delegating all the special roles out, don't have privileged information that relies on it being secret to be useful because it's not always possible to keep information secret these days, and don't take people who are single profession because almost all alts/toons are single profession players (most pvp'ers nowadays pay for their ships with empire mission/miner alts that are skilled for that one task and only perform that one task). Get people who are willing to do whatever the corp needs to both have fun and be productive. Then, most of all, stop worrying about it. At the end of the day there will be that one guy in Vent who is recording your fleet comms to post on Youtube and who will relay your movements to your most despised enemies - you have no real control over that barring never recruiting people - so just work with that assumption. In fact you tend to make MORE strategic decisions when you suspect the enemy is listening than you do when you don't anyways, so it's all for the best.

Soporo
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.26 10:13:00 - [26]
 

It's clear what you must do to achieve an EVE happy ending: Start your own Corp with your friend and WarDec those other Corps and emo/rage/foam 'splode them.

Djavo
Midas Tycho
Posted - 2010.10.26 10:32:00 - [27]
 

Hi there

If all you want to do is log in and shoot people while also having people hunt you then Storm could be for you.

We don't expect anything from our corp members, it's pretty easy going and that's how we like EVE, log in and off when ever you want and if you fancy just spinning your ship in the station... then well... that's fine too.

And for all the PRIV haters, no we don't sit outside Jita all day long, although if that's what you want to do... guess what... that's fine too!

000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
Posted - 2010.10.26 11:26:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Catari Taga
4. You name contains a number, i.e. you are probably dull because you cannot even come up with an original name (or you are in fact the alt of DoomGaze 1 and 2).

Whats wrong with numbers in ur name? been living with that for 6 years, never had a problem finding a corp, nor did they ever find me boring. Evil or Very Mad

gfldex
Posted - 2010.10.26 12:11:00 - [29]
 

Human beings make decisions based on feelings, yet it is seen as unpolite to reject an application stating: "I have a bad feeling with you.". The human brain is a funny thing.

Shin Chogan
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.26 17:13:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: DoomGaze3
Edited by: DoomGaze3 on 21/10/2010 13:48:05
So I've recently come back from hiatus.
...
However, I'm constantly running into recruiters who are asking me about the hiatus. So far, all of my applications have been rejected because of it.



Depending on your age and your game style preferences look up :
Blueprint Haus - you need to be over 29.5 but other wise we're very relaxed on the requirements front and do a bit of everything - BPH Recruitment thread
or Senex Legio - these guys are PVP focused and have more stringent requirements for joining but age isn't one of them - Senex Recruitment thread


 

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