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Brannoncyll
The Rip Tide
Posted - 2010.10.21 16:29:00 - [211]
 

I am disappointed with the choices as well.

Joshua Deakin
Posted - 2010.10.21 16:34:00 - [212]
 

Edited by: Joshua Deakin on 21/10/2010 16:42:24
Posting here to echo the sentiments, **** poor choices on most entries. I liked 2-3 but there were too many mediocre ones that didn't deserve their place in semifinals.

CCP choose your own semifinalists, do NOT honor the choices devian"ART" has chosen for us.

Lyn Farel
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown

Posted - 2010.10.21 16:48:00 - [213]
 

I am quite disappointed too. Some are the choices I expected to see selected, but a lot, not really. Not that I am mad or whatever not to have been selected, I was prepared to that and did it mostly for the experience (and it was a great one), especially as I think some designs deserved way better than mine, and were not selected either (except one or two I was watching carefully).

It is always difficult to criticize and speak about that when you actually are part of the contest and lost. But I have to support this petition though. As an artist myself, the semi finals choice makes little sense for me.

Makindi
Posted - 2010.10.21 16:49:00 - [214]
 


Constantine Merlonne
Posted - 2010.10.21 17:32:00 - [215]
 


Mijaka
Posted - 2010.10.21 18:08:00 - [216]
 

Agree.

Altaica Amur
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.10.21 18:21:00 - [217]
 

Tornado makes me want to fly Minmatar, I fly everything but Minmatar thusfar.

By contrast LA battlecruiser and OKHOS Battleship make me glad that for the most part they'll be distance blips.

Deviant art was the right place to post the contest, the wrong place to decide what from the contest was good and fit into the EVE universe as it's abundantly clear that some of them don't know a thing about EVE and have no real care for the end product of this ( a ship roughly like the winners goes into EVE ) vs the prizes.

Kitti Kenzaki
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.10.21 19:06:00 - [218]
 

Edited by: Kitti Kenzaki on 21/10/2010 19:07:33

+1

Quote:
They have now openly admitted that "fitting into the existing EVE universe" was not a priority in selecting the finalists, and insulted the EVE community in the process.

and +1 again

Krotfric McEnchroe
Gallente
Medical Mechanical
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2010.10.21 19:22:00 - [219]
 

So many good entries overlooked Sad

Flesh Slurper
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.10.21 20:58:00 - [220]
 


Fohacidal
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
Posted - 2010.10.21 21:07:00 - [221]
 

+1

Stahlvogel where are you!!!


Mara Rinn
Posted - 2010.10.21 21:36:00 - [222]
 

Originally by: Fohacidal
Stahlvogel where are you!!!


Spine-mounted railgun, in my EVE? IMHO the Stahlvogel looks like it belongs in Fusion 2097, not EVE Online.

The contest had rules, many of the good entries didn't follow them. For example take the Sandstorm Minmatar Battlecruiser - it has the required views, but they're all done with shaded models not line art as per the rules.

At the very least, the judging panel should have been joint between DA staff and EVE Online art department. And perhaps the EVE community should have been more involved at the beginning of the process by commenting on the ships they liked.

There is always the possibility of the EVE community viewing the entries and picking our own list of what is good, what is funny (as a minmatar pilot, I'm saddened that noone submitted an office chair with uzi machine guns), what is bad, and what is terrible.

The people that did comment on the contest have been extremely poorly behaved - there are rules on the DA site about being polite, even if you don't agree with someone. I suspect that the behaviour of the EVE community has left a very bad impression on all the DA folks who participated in the competition, regardless of the judging.

The final 15 do show that the DA community has a very different idea of what a spaceship looks like than the EVE community does. Some of them would be best described as rocket planes, not spaceships. I think the DA community needs to go pull out a few dozen issues of "Analog" to get some inspiration :)

Look at the BES for example - a very creative design, complies with the contest conditions, is very EVE-ish in its appearance, but relies on using line of sight to protect the ship inside it's dry dock. Everyone knows that weapons don't use line of sight! What was the guy thinking? At least the design showed some originality.

FWIW I can see the merits of the current pick of semifinalists - but the judging was about compliance with the rules, and artistic merit. I agree with the sentiment that the Precursor/Precursor Mk 2 should have made it into the finalists list. Perhaps CCP could approach that artist independently?

Fohacidal
SPORADIC MOVEMENT
Posted - 2010.10.21 21:59:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Mara Rinn
Originally by: Fohacidal
Stahlvogel where are you!!!


Spine-mounted railgun, in my EVE? IMHO the Stahlvogel looks like it belongs in Fusion 2097, not EVE Online.

The contest had rules, many of the good entries didn't follow them. For example take the Sandstorm Minmatar Battlecruiser - it has the required views, but they're all done with shaded models not line art as per the rules.

At the very least, the judging panel should have been joint between DA staff and EVE Online art department. And perhaps the EVE community should have been more involved at the beginning of the process by commenting on the ships they liked.

There is always the possibility of the EVE community viewing the entries and picking our own list of what is good, what is funny (as a minmatar pilot, I'm saddened that noone submitted an office chair with uzi machine guns), what is bad, and what is terrible.

The people that did comment on the contest have been extremely poorly behaved - there are rules on the DA site about being polite, even if you don't agree with someone. I suspect that the behaviour of the EVE community has left a very bad impression on all the DA folks who participated in the competition, regardless of the judging.

The final 15 do show that the DA community has a very different idea of what a spaceship looks like than the EVE community does. Some of them would be best described as rocket planes, not spaceships. I think the DA community needs to go pull out a few dozen issues of "Analog" to get some inspiration :)

Look at the BES for example - a very creative design, complies with the contest conditions, is very EVE-ish in its appearance, but relies on using line of sight to protect the ship inside it's dry dock. Everyone knows that weapons don't use line of sight! What was the guy thinking? At least the design showed some originality.

FWIW I can see the merits of the current pick of semifinalists - but the judging was about compliance with the rules, and artistic merit. I agree with the sentiment that the Precursor/Precursor Mk 2 should have made it into the finalists list. Perhaps CCP could approach that artist independently?



I wondered at first why you thought that ship you linked was a good submission because it honestly sucks. Then i read the rest of your post and realized you were an idiot.

Hasnpbeard
Posted - 2010.10.21 22:21:00 - [224]
 

+1

Lord Wulfengheist
Amarr
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
Posted - 2010.10.21 22:25:00 - [225]
 

In support.

Probably because I lost, but mostly because I don't really like any of the entries.

Minntinni
Posted - 2010.10.21 22:39:00 - [226]
 

Simple solution: Redo the contest from the start with one more rule; you must be an EVE member to submit a ship.

Otherwise, fire deviantart and rejudge with CCP judges (or the community) from the beginning.

Metztli De'Laputa
Posted - 2010.10.21 22:44:00 - [227]
 

Edited by: Metztli De''Laputa on 21/10/2010 22:47:38
Edited by: Metztli De''Laputa on 21/10/2010 22:45:45
without consider eve integration or not, some of the entries who was selected are a epic joke to be in the top 15 , in regards of some awsome jobs posted in the contest !!!! ( no need to link some of them, i m sure everybody here could find better eligible submission ( 6views+1 another))

Some of Those top 15 pics looked to be choosen too quickly by judge, or if not those judge needs to change job quickly too...

it s just my "modeler 3d / graphic professional" impress on this.... DA Failling!!

Caiden Baxter
Posted - 2010.10.22 00:47:00 - [228]
 

3 entries in that top 15 where decent the rest was BLAH.

Agree with all that CCP should pick the final entries themselves. Also i wonder what the flips that PR Expert at DA was smoking.

Signed from here.

CB

Zippydoo
Posted - 2010.10.22 02:18:00 - [229]
 

I keep finding ship after ship that are better designed, more in-line with racial styles, yet not similar to current stuff.

So yes, the current 15 seem to have been picked totally at random. The point of this contest was to get GOOD ships, not to let DA "judges" pick random ships- they're obviously not qualified to judge if they've never played the game.

ORPC
Posted - 2010.10.22 02:46:00 - [230]
 

The judging was just abysmal.

True Sight
Deep Freeze Industries

Posted - 2010.10.22 03:08:00 - [231]
 


Miss President
Caldari
SOLARIS ASTERIUS
Posted - 2010.10.22 04:10:00 - [232]
 


Montevius Williams
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.22 04:39:00 - [233]
 

Edited by: Montevius Williams on 22/10/2010 04:47:08
Edited by: Montevius Williams on 22/10/2010 04:45:36
This was a BS contest. This was my favorite ship.

Megalodon

How did this get chosen? No offense to the artist cause its a GREAT drawing, but it doesnt fit with EVE at all.

BES

**** poor job at understanding the EVE universe.

Lorgren Benirus
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.22 05:00:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: Montevius Williams
Edited by: Montevius Williams on 22/10/2010 04:47:08
Edited by: Montevius Williams on 22/10/2010 04:45:36
This was a BS contest. This was my favorite ship.

Megalodon

How did this get chosen? No offense to the artist cause its a GREAT drawing, but it doesnt fit with EVE at all.

BES

**** poor job at understanding the EVE universe.


Yeah, several of the semi's are a bit missplaced. Also too me it looks like they didnt care much if the submission looked like a ship already existing in Eve either.

Andrei Nikoli
Impaired Judgement
Disturbed Behavior
Posted - 2010.10.22 05:28:00 - [235]
 

Originally by: Montevius Williams
Edited by: Montevius Williams on 22/10/2010 04:47:08
Edited by: Montevius Williams on 22/10/2010 04:45:36
This was a BS contest. This was my favorite ship.

Megalodon

How did this get chosen? No offense to the artist cause its a GREAT drawing, but it doesnt fit with EVE at all.

BES

**** poor job at understanding the EVE universe.


Thats exactly what I thought, I loved the Megaladon design but instead they give us a giant space vagina.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2010.10.22 05:43:00 - [236]
 

Originally by: Andrei Nikoli

Thats exactly what I thought, I loved the Megaladon design but instead they give us a giant space vagina.


Well... in all honesty... we DO need more giant space vaginas... you know to balance out ships like the Thorax, the Armageddon, the Stabber, etc., etc., etc. Rolling Eyes

Andrei Nikoli
Impaired Judgement
Disturbed Behavior
Posted - 2010.10.22 05:45:00 - [237]
 

Edited by: Andrei Nikoli on 22/10/2010 05:48:30
Originally by: ShahFluffers
Originally by: Andrei Nikoli

Thats exactly what I thought, I loved the Megaladon design but instead they give us a giant space vagina.


Well... in all honesty... we DO need more giant space vaginas... you know to balance out ships like the Thorax, the Armageddon, the Stabber, etc., etc., etc. Rolling Eyes


Hopefully you have the option to combine with a thorax to create BESAX which would then spew out drones until everything had died.

Aeo IV
Amarr
Xomic OmniCorporation
Posted - 2010.10.22 06:39:00 - [238]
 

imo, the whole contest is a disaster. CCP should have given more information on what they were looking for, and less vague.

Here's a good example, telling people it should look like it'd fit into eve is pointless, because there's very little in terms of common ship design. An Amarrian ship looks vastly different than an minnie ship, for example. Rather than posing a chart, they should have made a list of things that should be included, like engines (rather than star trek style nacelles) and things not to do.

It probably didn't help that the chart they posted includes all the ships in the game including sleeper models, Talocan models, and Jovian ships, none of which are public and none of which are likely to become public.

The second problem is that they didn't make it clear what they starship will be used for; for example, if I posted an amarrian factory ship, would they discard it because they're not looking to make 3 other Empire ships of the same type? Are these ships going to be standard models or one of gifts?

All this information would have helped focus the design efforts of these artists towards producing better ships.

Tray LiSans
Posted - 2010.10.22 07:10:00 - [239]
 

I didn't even bother to follow the main of the competition, and looking at it now I'm kind of glad.

It annoys the hell out of me that practically all of the semi-finalists seem completely ignorant of Eve's own art style or back history. I'm glad they put the Tornado up there after all, without it only the only ship I could even remotely imagine seeing in space would be the Tsunami. Too many flashy lights without a single familiar shape that I can relate to any of the factions. Aside from the 'advertising transport', which is pretty much the Iteron.

Lots of good art sure, but almost nothing I would want to run into in the game.

Chief Picajing
Posted - 2010.10.22 07:51:00 - [240]
 

Pathetic!

CCP should have judged all - DA blew it.

Serious competitors summarily cast aside - it's insanity.

They admitted to not reading descriptions or even having knowledge of the game - FAIL



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