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Shaalira D'arc
Posted - 2010.10.21 03:57:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Valeronx
Originally by: Shaalira D'arc

It does not take personal ties to be enraged that this would make it to the top 15 in a contest brimming with talented entries.


It is not in the top 15.
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Yes, it was.

It was in the initial top 15 until the community outrage blared out. In the end, it was swapped out for a community favorite, the Tornado, when it was pointed out that it had a water mark in the lower right - a blatant rules violation.

Almaria Assalla
Posted - 2010.10.21 03:58:00 - [152]
 

Edited by: Almaria Assalla on 21/10/2010 04:01:25
/Signed

Lorgren Benirus
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.21 04:02:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: Valeronx
Edited by: Valeronx on 21/10/2010 03:53:28
Originally by: Lorgren Benirus
And the majority is mad not becaus the ship of a friend didnt get chosen.



Yes, they are. Several of the most vocal posters here and on the DA board are entrants into the contest. Others are climbing on the Bandwagon because a design they personally liked didn't get chosen ahead of a design they personally didn't like.

That is the nature of a contest. A few Entrants will win, most Entrants will loose. Now CCP will have the final say.

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That is the nature of a fair and honest contest, and this one is nothing like that.
And of course the ones voicing their concern are entrants into the contest. Its major humiliation to see that subpar ships are choosen over superior designs. Most of the contestants are ok with being beaten by a superior oponent.
But to lose becaus someone is trowing a fit and doing what they like with the results, giving it away to designs that would have a rough time against some of the excluded ones, is humiliating and insulting.

These people voice their concern becaus its a direct attack against them, the players of eve and generaly becaus people do not like injustice.

Some of the designs are awsome, but then again some shouldnt be among the semi finalists.

And the people thats "jumping" on the bandwagon can be explained with this.

Too quote Edmond Burke "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

Im not saying dA is evil, but this also applies to injustice.

Valeronx
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Fallen Angels Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.21 04:04:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: Shaalira D'arc
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Yes, it was.



No, it is not. It does not matter that it might have been at one time, or why it is not there now, it is not on the list that will be submitted to CCP for judging.

So all the angst and drama over why it might have been included is now moot.


Valeronx
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Fallen Angels Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.21 04:10:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: Lorgren Benirus
But to lose becaus someone is trowing a fit...


And to want CCP to step in is also a grave injustice.

Lorgren Benirus
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.21 04:12:00 - [156]
 

Edited by: Lorgren Benirus on 21/10/2010 04:17:56
Originally by: Valeronx
Originally by: Shaalira D'arc
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Yes, it was.



No, it is not. It does not matter that it might have been at one time, or why it is not there now, it is not on the list that will be submitted to CCP for judging.

So all the angst and drama over why it might have been included is now moot.




Somewhere on this forum (was posted earlier) is a quote by one of the dA judges stating the LA Battlecruiser was nr 15 and that the Tornado was nr 16. If you compare those designs its pretty hard to belive, becaus if the tornado was nr 16, it means it wasnt disqualified, and if it wasnt disqualified the dA team saw it as subpar to all the other semi-finalists. And thats even harder to belive.

Now what is easy to belive is that they freaked out due to the major collective outburst at the ridicule of the LA battlecruiser as a semifinalist, and swapped it with the Tornade, a favorit, to save face.

This is cause for great concern since they first let trough an entry that was obviusly breaking the rules, but that also wasnt as good as many other designs. It was unoriginal, it already recembles the Catalyst Destroyer, and no major artistic skills or effort looked to have gone into the creation of it.

To sum it up, theres is ground for concern at the judges skills and credebility.

Edit: Sorry for the my bad english

Shaalira D'arc
Posted - 2010.10.21 04:13:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Valeronx

It does not matter that it might have been at one time, or why it is not there now, it is not on the list that will be submitted to CCP for judging.

So all the angst and drama over why it might have been included is now moot.


Oh it certainly does matter because it means the DA judging process decided that this unimaginative, rules-breaking entrant was of such merit that it was to be in the top 15 of all the entries.

This calls into question the DA judging process.

Many members of both the DA and EVE communities have called for more transparency in the judge's selection and scoring. An explanation of how 'LA Battlecruiser' got into the top 15 is, at the very least, owed to the many artists who actually put research time, creativity, and effort into making an aesthetically pleasing ship that would mesh seamlessly into EVE's artistry.


Valeronx
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Fallen Angels Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.21 04:32:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Shaalira D'arc
....making an aesthetically pleasing ship that would mesh seamlessly into EVE's artistry.




My apologies. I read the rules and didn't notice that part.

My impression was that the contest was not that specific. I didn't realize that a seamless mesh and pleasing aesthetics was required.

I noticed some entries had a lot of detail, even extending to slots, PG, Bonuses, Etc. etc.

I didn't realize CCP was looking for complete, seamlessly artistic, ships to place in game. I thought they were looking for a design that they ( CCP ) could adapt and place into the game at some point, perhaps at a size, or in a role, or with some different details not envisaged by the original artist.


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Grideris
Gallente
Fleet Coordination Command
Fleet Coordination Coalition
Posted - 2010.10.21 04:39:00 - [159]
 

Bloody oath, this is just shambles.

(Also, remember to tick support guys!)

DJohnson
Posted - 2010.10.21 04:59:00 - [160]
 

Oh man... wtf is this?

Dasani Waters
Involuntary Trepanation
Posted - 2010.10.21 05:03:00 - [161]
 

CCP should pick the top 3 from those semi-finalists and give them the material prizes, but since it's their game, they should choose the ship to be included in the game from all the entries submitted. At least then I wouldn't have to fly with some POS design that the DA judges picked.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.21 05:19:00 - [162]
 

/Facepalm!

Myronik
Posted - 2010.10.21 05:33:00 - [163]
 

/signed
Folks from DevianArt have no idea about EvE Universe Evil or Very Mad

Double Dee
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.10.21 05:49:00 - [164]
 

i think it is bull**** that they picked 15 and then because of cry babies remove one and replace it. the guy made it to the semifinals and you troll him out. just because you don't like it does not disqualify the fact he won.

DuKackBoon
Posted - 2010.10.21 05:52:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Myronik
/signed
Folks from DevianArt have no idea about EvE Universe Evil or Very Mad


Word. CCP should have been judging the contest entries, not DeviantArt.

Zabby Gabby
Posted - 2010.10.21 05:57:00 - [166]
 

I think CCP should just completely ignore DA's semi-finalists, and create their own top-15.

Then have a poll on the eve-o website about what ship people wants the most.


krickettt
Golden Orb Technology inc
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2010.10.21 07:21:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Double Dee
i think it is bull**** that they picked 15 and then because of cry babies remove one and replace it. the guy made it to the semifinals and you troll him out. just because you don't like it does not disqualify the fact he won.


That submission was removed because it broke the rules. Which is astounding that the judges didn't catch that before picked as a semi-finalist.

Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.10.21 07:23:00 - [168]
 

/Signed!

Frakir Shedimbirut
Posted - 2010.10.21 07:29:00 - [169]
 

+1
Rejudge the contest, try to get some ships that actually fit in EVE.

Dek Kato
Amarr
Delusions of Mediocrity

Posted - 2010.10.21 07:33:00 - [170]
 

Design 101: You are making something for a client who will have certain expectations for you to design within. In this case, a universe that your ship must fit in.

And almost all of these failed terribly, yet were chosen over entries that were far superior. Screw DA.

Garr Anders
Minmatar
The Red Circle Inc.

Posted - 2010.10.21 07:37:00 - [171]
 

Supported

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2010.10.21 07:39:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Double Dee
i think it is bull**** that they picked 15 and then because of cry babies remove one and replace it. the guy made it to the semifinals and you troll him out. just because you don't like it does not disqualify the fact he won.

It seems your lights are on, but no ones home.

Smoogle
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.21 08:14:00 - [173]
 

The finalists are mostly dumb.

People have linked awesome-looking ships that actually LOOKED LIKE a races style that didn't make it to the top 15, yet random crap that would be mistaken for existing ships DID make it?

Throw it out.
Make a poll website where people can browse ships and vote (with their active eve online account, once per IP Address...) on which 15 THEY like the best.

Then boom, there you have it, ships that people will like more often than not.

But this DA contest is just junk.

Karia Sur
Posted - 2010.10.21 08:15:00 - [174]
 

oh dear Evil or Very Mad

Tarantoga
Konstrukteure der Zukunft
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.10.21 08:28:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Dek Kato
Design 101: You are making something for a client who will have certain expectations for you to design within. In this case, a universe that your ship must fit in.

And almost all of these failed terribly, yet were chosen over entries that were far superior. Screw DA.

this

/signed to the topic

Abhaya meshdatar
Preta Light Industries
Naraka.
Posted - 2010.10.21 08:39:00 - [176]
 

ShockedSurprisedugh

Personally i have to agree. CCP should redo the judging themselves. just the inclusion of the LA Battlecrapper makes me think there has to be FAR better ones out there that have been looked over and would fit into our universe or even be seriously better in an artist/art critics point of view. Them putting the Tornado (even though i think its a sexy ship)in place of the La battlecruiser, while admirable.. just doesn't cut it.

Deviantart dropped the ball on this one and while their efforts were... admirable... its time to pass the judging back into the hands of CCP.

Aphrodite Skripalle
Galactic Defence Consortium
Posted - 2010.10.21 08:41:00 - [177]
 

Edited by: Aphrodite Skripalle on 21/10/2010 08:42:48
this deviantart-contest sucks..
ccp show us, you can make it better.

I fully agree, please rejudge the contest.

Reed Tiburon
Caldari
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2010.10.21 08:41:00 - [178]
 

Edited by: Reed Tiburon on 21/10/2010 08:43:22
Originally by: Xero Cell
Originally by: Frothgar
Edited by: Frothgar on 20/10/2010 20:57:14
First time ever posting in the assembly hall.

I followed the contest almost daily and was really excited to see so many teriffic designs being submitted for consideration.

Frankly I'm disgusted by the lack of professionalism demonstrated by the deviantart judges in picking such lackluster and unpopular entries for the finalists.

The popular submissions were popular for a reason, I like many others were genuinely excited over the possibility of playing them ingame.


I hope CCP will listen to the player base and remedy this situation ASAP.

Originally by: Canine Fiend
First time I've ever posted in the Assembly hall, that's how strongly I feel about this. /Signed


same situation for me mates. i didnt even read this section of the forums until now. this contest needs re-judged immediately and by non-lazy, intelligent, real eve players.


I am in the same situation. Please rejudge this CCP. These entries are... terrible.

Does EVE really need a Minmatar Iteron V? Or a flying ruler? What happened to all the great designs we were drooling over? The Stahlvogel, the Tornado, the Aquilon?

Edited to add support. Don't forget to "Support this topic"!

Brennivargur
Posted - 2010.10.21 09:04:00 - [179]
 

Supported

Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service
Posted - 2010.10.21 09:05:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Reed Tiburon
What happened to all the great designs we were drooling over? The Stahlvogel, the Tornado, the Aquilon?
Well, the Stahlvogel (and a number of other great entries) got DQ'd because they had shading on the lineart. Apparently shading counts as "color" in the judges view.

The Tornado made it in, as we all know and are quite pleased about.

And the Aquilon... well no f#$&ing clue why that one didn't make it. It's lineart was all grey and black, it looked perfectly Gallente, and the art was great. No reason it shouldn't have been chosen. Same thing with the Horus.

Quite simply, dA screwed up badly. But in many art contests (and not just on dA) I've noticed that judges will often do pity nominations, where obviously bad art gets chosen to bolster the hopes and dreams of aspiring and/or crappy artists.



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