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Dentevard
Posted - 2010.10.20 13:30:00 - [1]
 

When doing the math on building ships ( most T2 ) I have noticed people are selling themselves short when it comes to selling their product . And as I don't mind buying up chep T2 ships I wonder why would someone would sell a ship that cost 30 mil to build even under the best of conditions . Why would u sell for 27m ?Confused

Scott Ryder
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.10.20 13:34:00 - [2]
 

Where do all theese new people in md with less then 10 posts in their total posting history come from?
Oh and to answer your question, people are stupid and lazy.

PinkFish
Posted - 2010.10.20 13:46:00 - [3]
 

Just because it costs you 27m doesn't mean it costs them 27m. Maybe they get their minerals for a discount or subsidize them with minerals they mine theirself.

Shadroch
Gallente
Todespropheten
Cloud 7 Nebulosa
Posted - 2010.10.20 13:50:00 - [4]
 

Maybe these persons bought the ships cheaper from the markets.
So they dont have to care about the production costs.

Dentevard
Posted - 2010.10.20 13:53:00 - [5]
 

Wow no kidding?? You think I just come on here and spout bs? I know all about buy orders and how to get things cheep I realize people are stupid and lazy as all heck ok. But when ur building a let's say orca. And the cost to build is higher then it is to sell. Don't you think theirs a problame?
So now what ******ad thing do you have to say about that?
I all ready know it's comming

Diesel47
Posted - 2010.10.20 13:56:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Dentevard
Wow no kidding?? You think I just come on here and spout bs? I know all about buy orders and how to get things cheep I realize people are stupid and lazy as all heck ok. But when ur building a let's say orca. And the cost to build is higher then it is to sell. Don't you think theirs a problame?
So now what ******ad thing do you have to say about that?
I all ready know it's comming


Calm down, big boy.

Drexciyian
The Water Margin Tech
Posted - 2010.10.20 14:13:00 - [7]
 

They are building from a bpo and you from invention

PinkFish
Posted - 2010.10.20 14:23:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Dentevard
Wow no kidding?? You think I just come on here and spout bs? I know all about buy orders and how to get things cheep I realize people are stupid and lazy as all heck ok. But when ur building a let's say orca. And the cost to build is higher then it is to sell. Don't you think theirs a problame?
So now what ******ad thing do you have to say about that?
I all ready know it's comming


Maybe if you use your knowledge of how to get things cheap you will be able to compete for the lucrative undervalued orca market and assert your dominant personality on all of eve miners.

Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2010.10.20 14:25:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Dentevard
I know all about buy orders and how to get things cheep


Then stop asking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KT2BJzAwbU

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2010.10.20 14:27:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Dentevard
Wow no kidding?? You think I just come on here and spout bs? I know all about buy orders and how to get things cheep I realize people are stupid and lazy as all heck ok. But when ur building a let's say orca. And the cost to build is higher then it is to sell. Don't you think theirs a problame?
So now what ******ad thing do you have to say about that?
I all ready know it's comming


Caln dowm ... and breathe.


Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.10.20 14:45:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Drexciyian
They are building from a bpo and you from invention


I think this is your answer and to be fair, it isn't something that is so clearly presented that people would figure it out in their first couple months of play or first few hundred posts read on the forums

TooFatToFish
Posted - 2010.10.20 23:29:00 - [12]
 

Nerf T2 BPo's, they give an unfair advantage to people who paid billions for them. Twisted Evil

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2010.10.21 00:09:00 - [13]
 

oh its easy, they mine their own minerals so they are free


:)

Jita Bloodtear
Posted - 2010.10.21 00:24:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: TooFatToFish
Nerf T2 BPo's, they give an unfair advantage to people who paid billions for them. Twisted Evil


Agree, the T2 BPOs are what's ruining this game. Wipe them clean, replace them with low run BPCs. As for the original poster, it's because all the minerals you mine yourself are FREE! FREE MONEY!

Ash Donai
Minmatar
Kanu Industries
Posted - 2010.10.21 00:41:00 - [15]
 

Original T2 BPO owners have a huge advantage. Those who paid billions for their T2 BPOs, so much that it takes years of constant production and sales to recoup the purchase price, don't really make that much money unless they sell the T2 BPO to some sucker who's willing to pay even more than they did.

Lots of people undervalue their goods because they do not do the math, they simply try to be the lowest seller assuming that it's still profitable. Others mine for free and even after years and years there are still a lot of those. Heck, I routinely buy Trit at 30-40% under hub buy orders and have very little trouble getting the orders filled. People value their time differently, that's really the essence of it.

Fred Barbossa
Free Mineral Collective
Posted - 2010.10.21 02:26:00 - [16]
 

There are people out there who build ships for the sake of building ships. Just like there are people out there who make posts and aren't looking for a response.

Netheranthem
Eve Engineering Finance
Eve Engineering
Posted - 2010.10.21 04:36:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Ash Donai
Original T2 BPO owners have a huge advantage. Those who paid billions for their T2 BPOs, so much that it takes years of constant production and sales to recoup the purchase price, don't really make that much money unless they sell the T2 BPO to some sucker who's willing to pay even more than they did.

Lots of people undervalue their goods because they do not do the math, they simply try to be the lowest seller assuming that it's still profitable. Others mine for free and even after years and years there are still a lot of those. Heck, I routinely buy Trit at 30-40% under hub buy orders and have very little trouble getting the orders filled. People value their time differently, that's really the essence of it.

Note that you don't have to reach the price you bought it for the BPO to be efficient.
The thing is that you can always resell the BPO and go away with profits!

Mme Pinkerton
The pink win
Posted - 2010.10.21 05:34:00 - [18]
 

Even people who don't think minerals they mine by themselves are free often do not value their stockpiles to market but according to the historical purchase price.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.10.21 08:24:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 21/10/2010 08:26:48
Quote:

Wow no kidding?? You think I just come on here and spout bs? I know all about buy orders and how to get things cheep



Then, why do you post asking why they do so? Your knowledge should have told you that. Otherwise it means you don't really know all about how to get things cheap.

There are seemingly undepletable precious resources both in game and RL: ignorance, idiocy, lack of care. Use them to your advantage.


Quote:

Even people who don't think minerals they mine by themselves are free often do not value their stockpiles to market but according to the historical purchase price.



I also played other MMOs catering at crafters where one may see the same phenomenon that *can* happen in EvE since it's a game. People who are not stupid, ignorant etc. but just don't care (as posted above).
They have fun building for the sake of building.

They will get elation researching a freighter BPO to 15 PE and will get warm inside seeing it produced with zero wastage.
Others will feel good when mining veldspar for a day along with their corpies chit chatting on ventrilo, they never cared to get rich selling the stuff.

Since EvE (nor the other games) don't forcibly impose people to go bankrupt for inefficiencies like these, you cannot avoid having people selling at ridicolous prices (since they had their fun before selling, selling is just seen as a plus, a nice appendage).


So, the truth is simple as that: many people not only they don't see beyond historical prices, they don't *care* to min max or get lots of virtual money.
It takes an handful of them to crash whole markets of course. Some that do care instead, will reap benefits from all of the above of course.

heheheh
Phoenix Club
Posted - 2010.10.21 12:45:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: heheheh on 21/10/2010 12:47:34
Its nothig to do with BPOs, i can produce more of module X with cheaper build costs, using invention, than a friend can with the BPO of the module i produce.
The material cost has much more to do with it that bpos do, theres a hint.

Scott Ryder
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.10.21 12:50:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: heheheh
Edited by: heheheh on 21/10/2010 12:47:34
Its nothig to do with BPOs, i can produce more of module X with cheaper build costs, using invention, than a friend can with the BPO of the module i produce.
The material cost has much more to do with it that bpos do, theres a hint.


You mine your own materials?

Dentevard
Posted - 2010.10.22 17:45:00 - [22]
 

Eather way I see all the great points that everyone has In the end it's the lazyness of the players. It's the fact that ther content to sell a Raven for 59m even knowing that they can sell it for 70+. At the same time it's a great thing. I love buying Dow way less and put it right back on the market. The only thing I hate is moding my orders every 2 min by .01

HiMyNameIsBoxxy
Posted - 2010.10.25 13:50:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Dentevard
Wow no kidding?? You think I just come on here and spout bs? I know all about buy orders and how to get things cheep I realize people are stupid and lazy as all heck ok.
(...)


Another topic you created
Originally by: Dentevard
Why is some buyers highlited green and others are not. I noticed why I place a order it comes up green and even if player X has a order out for 10 x my price. I get the product. Wierd but nice


Sooo ... you know all 'bout buy orders.

Zeta Zhul
Caldari
Preemptive Paranoia
Posted - 2010.10.25 18:11:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Zeta Zhul on 25/10/2010 18:13:20
Originally by: Dentevard
Eather way I see all the great points that everyone has In the end it's the lazyness of the players. It's the fact that ther content to sell a Raven for 59m even knowing that they can sell it for 70+. At the same time it's a great thing. I love buying Dow way less and put it right back on the market. The only thing I hate is moding my orders every 2 min by .01


Another concept you might want to consider is something called "opportunity cost". Basically the idea is here is that the isk sunk into an item is locked away and you don't have the ability to earn more isk with that money until that item is sold.

So you can sell a raven for 59m immediately and then turn around and use that money to earn more, again immediately -or- you can try and sell the raven for say 75m but that might take a week for it to be sold. Additionally the person choosing this sort of market strategy doesn't have to deal with 0.01 isking. If a sell order is cleared out then it's cleared out and available for another sale. No further management is required. If you're running one character with 300+ orders then going through each and every single order to ensure you're in the best possible situation to make a sale is tedious and time consuming.

Now imagine if you're running 2x accounts with a total of 6x characters with 300+ orders each. 1,800+ orders and you'd be in an insane asylum trying to 0.01 isk that.

*shrug* do the math.

heheheh
Phoenix Club
Posted - 2010.10.26 13:46:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Scott Ryder
Originally by: heheheh
Edited by: heheheh on 21/10/2010 12:47:34
Its nothig to do with BPOs, i can produce more of module X with cheaper build costs, using invention, than a friend can with the BPO of the module i produce.
The material cost has much more to do with it that bpos do, theres a hint.


You mine your own materials?


Only what i can get from 1 moon, other than that its all buy orders.


 

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