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Worgen Fratmon
Instapop Industries

Posted - 2010.11.14 01:30:00 - [61]

Kate McCann
Posted - 2010.11.27 03:16:00 - [62]

I support this.

Black Dranzer
Posted - 2010.11.27 03:40:00 - [63]

The Mind's Eye
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.11.27 07:04:00 - [64]

Black ops bridge please

Posted - 2010.11.28 10:18:00 - [65]


Red Countess
Posted - 2010.11.29 21:34:00 - [66]

Since Andrea Griffin showed me this topic I will copy paste my ideas that I had in other thread...

After playing with sentinel for a while I consider that EA frigs could get a buff since they dont have there place in fleets and some of them arent even used.

-Only 2 out of 4 EA frigs are being used, those are Kitsune and Sentinel while Keres/Hyena are alike endangered species(I only saw hyena once in low sec, keres never).

-EA frigs usually dont have much place in fleet, when they are in fleet they are made into primary target almost always and instantly destroyed. I know sentinel is powerhouse in 1on1 frig/destroyer fights, I beaten almost every frig outthere with it, and I am aware that kitsune's jams are nasty thing to deal with but with how squishy they are why wouldnt one simply take Blackbird/Falcon/Curse/neut-domi in fleet or some other ship that can fill same/similar role and have more survivability.

-They feel so damn slow to play, and MWD isnt really option for them (imo) since they "die" easily as it is. Catching up with targets or running away can be a bit annoying especially since this is supposed to be frigate.

Solutions (that I would like to see):

If I recall correctly there was some talk about giving AB speed bonus to assault frigates some time ago... since AF already have 2 things going for them, that is tank and spank I can see why this didn't manifest but EA frigates on other hand could use AB speed bonus with out getting overpowered and perhaps it would give them needed position in the fleets.

-Give AB speed bonus to EA frigs, lets say that standard speed with AB II would be between 1500-2000 MS with out any other rigs/gear that increase speed.

-Rework hyenas bonus to fit the new buff, or just rework it:p

-Possibly make EA frigs a bit more maneuverable so that it fits there new role of squishy/speedy/EA ships that stay on edges of battle. They do feel very bulky for there size.

P.S. I dont know mechanics of eve that well, perhaps due to way numbers work 1500m/s could be to fast in terms of speed tanking if we consider that there sig radius will remain the same. I gave it as general idea, CCP is one that can balance this if they like (or even see;) this idea. I have loads of footage in which I spank different frigs/t2frigs/t2destroyers with sentinel and might make a movie if people dont think that I am experienced with this ship.

Posted - 2010.11.29 22:19:00 - [67]

I agree that EAFs need some hot dev lovin', mainly in the area of survivability. The big question is in what area to improve it.

* Sig reduction
* Speed tanking
* Resistance buffing

Or, as an oddball idea - cov ops cloak? I guess it would depend on whether you want EAFs as a minature combat recon or force recon.

Mimiru Minahiro
Posted - 2010.11.29 23:51:00 - [68]

Originally by: Anyura
Or, as an oddball idea - cov ops cloak? I guess it would depend on whether you want EAFs as a minature combat recon or force recon.

I could get behind this so long as EAF were left squishy.

Genos Occidere
Posted - 2010.11.30 11:59:00 - [69]

Edited by: Suitonia on 30/11/2010 11:59:16
I'm not sure if covert ops would help them out all that much, their main problems are that they can't really commit to their ranges in combat due to dying in a fire whenever they try. Covert ops cloak doesn't really change that, it would only give them some short lived utility.

Hells Missionary
Posted - 2010.12.01 14:58:00 - [70]

Yeah electronic attack ships definitely need to be buffed.

Posted - 2010.12.01 17:14:00 - [71]

Edited by: Portmanteau on 01/12/2010 17:17:12
Originally by: Suitonia

  • Sentinel
    Is currently the best, and probably the only EAF which is currently 'flyable'. I wouldn't recommend tweaking it too much, but it could do with getting the cap recharge bonus built in and given a drone hitpoint bonus or something similar.

If your gonna swap cap bonuses on the keres for smth else as a buff then the cap bonuses should be built in (or just buff cap) like the senti or you'll barely be able to run an MWD let alone RSD or WD

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Posted - 2010.12.02 23:39:00 - [72]

What if we gave them the AB buff that was lined up for the assault ships? Maybe reduced to 40% per level?

Furnulum pani nolo
Posted - 2010.12.02 23:47:00 - [73]

William Cooly
Sol Enterprises
Posted - 2010.12.03 01:31:00 - [74]

Posted - 2010.12.03 10:49:00 - [75]

I think the problem with electronic attack ships has more to do with the requirement to fit a MWD to most any frigate in pvp.

MWDs still give too much of a speed boost over afterburners, so if you don't fit a mwd to your frigate you get easily run down by larger ships. I think if the difference in speed between ships was less, say 5-10% difference from class to class. It should of course take larger ships longer to reach full speed though. I think then MWDs wouldn't be such a "must have" and the speed boost on them could be scaled back. I think the ability to warp to any location on the map, with a cooldown of some sort, would also help. Getting too far off topic though I think.

The point is I think until they tweak base speed / speed booster / warp ability EASs will continue to be unattractive.

Daniel L'Siata
Don't Regret Until Next Keg
Posted - 2010.12.03 11:18:00 - [76]

Edited by: Daniel L''Siata on 03/12/2010 11:18:39
Fix the little blighters! There should NOT be more SC's than a form of Frigate...

Naomi Knight
Posted - 2010.12.03 13:00:00 - [77]

Give them drone immunity , nearly every cruiser+ have a pack of lights which can tear these EFs into piecies way too quickly.

Fallout Project
Posted - 2010.12.03 13:51:00 - [78]

I support this

hired goon
Posted - 2010.12.03 17:34:00 - [79]


Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Posted - 2010.12.03 18:03:00 - [80]

Sentinel: Suitonia is right, Sentinel is the only flyable EAS.

Hyena: 25% web range increase could help. Also give the Hyena speed bonus similar to Vigil.

Keres: piece of crap. Suffers from known damp impotence.
I like the drone bandwidth increase idea.

Kitsune : stealth nerfed by last ECM adjustments. Though still usable.

Yes, sig radius is a serious issue for all EAS.

Crazy KSK
Posted - 2010.12.04 02:49:00 - [81]

make them more like AFs I say the keres for example is just like another ceptor nothing new

Genos Occidere
Posted - 2010.12.05 13:53:00 - [82]

Originally by: Naomi Knight
Give them drone immunity , nearly every cruiser+ have a pack of lights which can tear these EFs into piecies way too quickly.

I think *any* kind of immunity is a bad thing. And personally, I think light drones probably should be the counter to EAFs (rather than any Medium sized weapon, which is what happens right now). A medium shield extender on most of the EAFs gives you a decent 20-30 second lifespan against a flight of Warriors right now, and presuming they lower the sig radius of the ships as outlined by the proposal, hopefully they won't instantly die to Hurricanes, Harbingers, Zealots, Omens, Stabbers, Vagabonds etc.

Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant

Posted - 2010.12.06 04:55:00 - [83]


Genos Occidere
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:08:00 - [84]


Estella Gateau
Posted - 2010.12.09 21:52:00 - [85]

I'm pretty pleased with the Sentinel as-is, but I would love a real reason to use a Kitsune instead of a Blackbird when flying ECM.

Maylin Li
Genos Occidere
Posted - 2010.12.11 14:42:00 - [86]

Originally by: Sigras
What if we gave them the AB buff that was lined up for the assault ships? Maybe reduced to 40% per level?

This would be interesting

Reed Tiburon
Future Corps
Sleeper Social Club
Posted - 2010.12.11 20:24:00 - [87]

An easy support.

Posted - 2010.12.11 23:29:00 - [88]

Genos Occidere
Posted - 2011.01.01 02:34:00 - [89]


Posted - 2011.01.01 02:47:00 - [90]

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