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Nair Al-Zaurak
Posted - 2010.10.22 20:14:00 - [31]

A reason to actually train the skills beyond plugged in.. yes please Very Happy

Shine Red
Posted - 2010.10.22 20:22:00 - [32]

They really need fixed.

Posted - 2010.10.22 20:53:00 - [33]

Here ye, here ye! The Vigil/Hyena hull was why I opted for the Matar as my race, I was disappointed to find that the Vigil was altogether more useful than the tech-2 variant, Hyena.

Full-fledged support from the next generation of depraved denizen of New Eden.

Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.10.22 23:23:00 - [34]

Not necessarily these changes, but some changes.

Resistances on par with their bigger brothers (combat recons) would be a good start. A Caldari heavy assault ship's shield resistances are 0/70/50/80 while the Rook has 0/62/50/70. The assault ship's shield resistances are the same as the heavy assault ship, but the Kitsune's resistances are 0/55/50/60, making them quite a bit lower. Other EAF resistances compare similarly.

If they aren't set apart from their big brothers in terms of capabilities, they should at least have comparable bonuses. The Keres in particular is a poor choice when the Lachesis has a 20% instead of 10% bonus to warp disruptor/scrambler range. The down side to the Keres should be that it's smaller and easier to kill, not that it has to get twice as close to be effective -- where range-scripted sensor dampeners will do it absolutely no good. It's already got fewer slots to fill with Remote Sensor Dampeners. I understand the reasoning for the smaller bonus (there aren't sizes of warp disruptors and scramblers, so it's a way to make the smaller ship have a smaller effect) but it means that for direct conflict there is really not much reason to choose a Keres.

There are myriad ways to improve these frigates.

Samican Nutikor
Posted - 2010.10.23 06:38:00 - [35]

For the Keres I'd propose

- higher dronebay and -bandwidth (50 bay, 25 bandwidth)
- change the tackle boni to something not used already by 'ceptors, 'dictors and Recon
- add a bonus to EWar drones (5% or 7.5% bonus on their respective effects)

For all EWars I propose

- smaller sig radius
- standard targetting range of at least 60km (EWar ships are back row ships, not front row grunts)
- reduced cost to produce
(- bonus to cloaking devices like Blackops...don't know if that would be out of whack though; would imply an additional utility high slot)

Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2010.10.23 07:15:00 - [36]

Mortimer Civeri
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2010.10.23 18:46:00 - [37]

The Keres and Hyena, have a tackling bonus. This puts them in direct competition with Inties. For the Keres, remove the tackling bonus, and instead give it better effect on the damps, or better cap usage for them. I don't know what to do about painters, because painters are so full of fail. The whole lineup needs a complete redo/rethink.

Skothen Chetokk
Posted - 2010.10.23 20:01:00 - [38]

The Hyena could be a nice tackler/ anti-tackler, just extend the webifier range bonus to 30-40% (currently 20%, recons have 60%) and reduce the signature.

There is no reason, that ewar-frigates of any kind should be 60% "larger" than other frigates. I would propose to cut that to 30%.

Chris Shogun
Posted - 2010.10.24 15:57:00 - [39]

Great proposal!

Posted - 2010.10.24 16:58:00 - [40]

Defo supported man. Too many assault ships around, not enough mini-hugginns.

Meatshield Bastards
The Bastards.
Posted - 2010.10.24 18:52:00 - [41]

I support this!
I love flying frigate hulls and I've always wanted to find some use for the skill points I have invested in EAFs.

Posted - 2010.10.28 04:59:00 - [42]

If no boost ever comes, is it not reasonable to simply cut their cost in half? I'm looking at $17M Hyena hulls (the EAF I wanted to fly) and, considering the total number of active EAFs in game, that is beyond ridiculous.

I'd fly an underpowered, role-confused ship if it were half the price. I mean I'm just saying either/or.

Zarnak Wulf
Posted - 2010.10.28 06:16:00 - [43]

The problem with the hyena is that it is simply does not do anything well. It's bonuses cry out for a MWD. If you look at the "recommended skills" you can see that artillery and armor tanking are recommended for it! ShockedConfused

The hyena can go as slow at 2550m/s if you slap a 400mm plate on it or as fast as 3300m/s if you shield tank it. The latter has a massive 286m signature radius w/ MWD on! Neutral 4800 EHP is what you can get w/ the 400mm plate. 3k EHP is pretty standard.

Against cruisers and larger ships - absolutely no problem tracking it. None. Anyone who has remotely trained gunnery will kill you while laughing.

Against frigates? You have no firepower to speak of. 88 DPS is the most I could configure for. At the speed frigates move - by the time you slap webs on an incoming adversary they've closed the last 10km to put a scramble on you - and you're MWD fitted. Caw! Caw! Bang! ****! I'm dead!

I have EAS trained to lvl 5. I spent ALOT of time on SISSI trying to work out fits that would work. Trust me. The ship is worthless and I don't care how cheap it is - 5 seconds on the battlefield is not enough.

Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.10.28 06:45:00 - [44]

It would be nice to see more of these flying around.

Frakir Shedimbirut
Posted - 2010.10.28 08:27:00 - [45]


The Carebear Stare
Hydroponic Zone
Posted - 2010.10.28 11:46:00 - [46]

It always baffles me that people haven't figured out how to fit the Keres properly. Its already a very useful little ship. Its a mini arazu that can tackle any non sensor boostered sub capital (not including recons) with immunity to being locked back. Hint: small cap injector

However in general I support this proposal.

Adhocracy Incorporated

Posted - 2010.10.29 03:57:00 - [47]

Maylin Li
Genos Occidere
Posted - 2010.11.02 02:24:00 - [48]


Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.11.02 03:16:00 - [49]

Edited by: Malcanis on 02/11/2010 03:19:08
Some good changes to rescue a currently useless ship class. Very much supported.

Aeo IV
Xomic OmniCorporation
Posted - 2010.11.02 03:27:00 - [50]

Why not give them non-racial ewar bonuses? That is, since recons do neuting/ramming/tracking disruption, why not make it so ewar frigates don't?

IE A Kitsune would neut/vamp/tracking disrupt rather than jam, and the Sentinel would jam.

Janos Saal
Posted - 2010.11.02 12:38:00 - [51]


Posted - 2010.11.02 19:48:00 - [52]

Supported, The Keres is so pretty, I want to fly it...

Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.11.03 04:35:00 - [53]

Lady Parity

Posted - 2010.11.03 11:24:00 - [54]

OT Smithers
Posted - 2010.11.04 08:12:00 - [55]

I see several people suggesting that the Kitsune is more or less okay. This is an understandable conclusion; unlike many of the EAFs it does work. However, this functionality is more a reflection upon the effectiveness of ECM than the ship. It is an expensive T2 frigate that is only marginally better in some ways than its T1 counterpart while being actually worse in other critical ways.

That aside, EW offers an opportunity to add real tactical depth to the game. A fleet that elects to go this route should be every bit as effective as a fleet that goes for straight spank and tank, and arguably even more.

debbie harrio
Posted - 2010.11.04 12:11:00 - [56]

supported, wanna' hyena that is somewhat better than a Vigil....

Slade Hoo
Retired Gunslingers
Posted - 2010.11.05 03:15:00 - [57]

Docerra Venturra
Temporary Leave of Absense

Posted - 2010.11.05 05:13:00 - [58]

Do it to it.

Thyme Wasted
Posted - 2010.11.05 05:14:00 - [59]

Oh please yes. Make more shiny little ships viable plz!

Arctic Monkey
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.11.05 07:40:00 - [60]

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