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Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2010.10.14 06:48:00 - [31]
 

Gaming is in a hard spot right now, for hardware.

VideoCard: nVidia beats the **** out of ATI, any day. Avoid ATI, they're notoriously ****ty. When i worked for a game developer, the majority of bugs / complaints we recieved were caused by ATI's drivers. and by majority i mean a good 70% This problem still exists today.

go for the warrenties. for the most part, different brands mean very little. Pick your GPU chip, and then pick the brand with the best warrenty for you. EVGA, BFGTech are my favorites, they have lifetime warrenties, if your card ever stops working, they'll replace it, and they even have trade-up programs to upgrade cheaply!

CPU:Intel's chips are quality, and only slightly behind AMD's performance. Quadcore is definatly what you want, (don't listen to the people who say dual core is enough) Modern games make full use of all 4 cores. NOt to mention, running multiple eve clients is a huge help here also!

One problem, is AMD's CPU's are best, and nVidia's GPU's are the best, and AMD+nVidia rarely party. If you can find a good AMD board that supports nvidia, go for it. But you'll most likely be looking at Intel motherboards simply due to intel's support for nvidia. which means you'll also be looking at intel CPU's (not a bad thing, they are quality too!)

Ram: Go for the cheapest you can find, unless you are an overclocker. If you don't overclock your hardware, then valuram is the way to go! Those bulky heatsyncs and fan equipment for your memory makes NO DIFFERENCE unless you're overclocking. Mushkin is a great brand for this!

PSU: The most important, and most overlooked piece of hardware in a computer. A ****ty PSU can fry every piece of hardware in the box, and possibly even burn down your house. Always go for more power then you need, and dont be afraid to spend an extra 40 bucks for the good brand. Stay AWAY from Ultra!

AudioCard: In a Nutshell, it doesn't matter. If you have 7.1 speakers, get a card that supports 7.1. Go for the economy/cheap editions of cards. The "gamer" editions are little more then placebo with paint added to the card to make it look awesome. There is NO noticeable improvement in audio quality, unless you're measuring it with professional sound equipment (and then only the equipment will be able to tell you theres a difference... You wont hear it)

Guilliman R
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.10.14 07:15:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Gaming is in a hard spot right now, for hardware.

VideoCard: nVidia beats the **** out of ATI, any day. Avoid ATI, they're notoriously ****ty. When i worked for a game developer, the majority of bugs / complaints we recieved were caused by ATI's drivers. and by majority i mean a good 70% This problem still exists today.

go for the warrenties. for the most part, different brands mean very little. Pick your GPU chip, and then pick the brand with the best warrenty for you. EVGA, BFGTech are my favorites, they have lifetime warrenties, if your card ever stops working, they'll replace it, and they even have trade-up programs to upgrade cheaply!

CPU:Intel's chips are quality, and only slightly behind AMD's performance. Quadcore is definatly what you want, (don't listen to the people who say dual core is enough) Modern games make full use of all 4 cores. NOt to mention, running multiple eve clients is a huge help here also!

One problem, is AMD's CPU's are best, and nVidia's GPU's are the best, and AMD+nVidia rarely party. If you can find a good AMD board that supports nvidia, go for it. But you'll most likely be looking at Intel motherboards simply due to intel's support for nvidia. which means you'll also be looking at intel CPU's (not a bad thing, they are quality too!)

Ram: Go for the cheapest you can find, unless you are an overclocker. If you don't overclock your hardware, then valuram is the way to go! Those bulky heatsyncs and fan equipment for your memory makes NO DIFFERENCE unless you're overclocking. Mushkin is a great brand for this!

PSU: The most important, and most overlooked piece of hardware in a computer. A ****ty PSU can fry every piece of hardware in the box, and possibly even burn down your house. Always go for more power then you need, and dont be afraid to spend an extra 40 bucks for the good brand. Stay AWAY from Ultra!

AudioCard: In a Nutshell, it doesn't matter. If you have 7.1 speakers, get a card that supports 7.1. Go for the economy/cheap editions of cards. The "gamer" editions are little more then placebo with paint added to the card to make it look awesome. There is NO noticeable improvement in audio quality, unless you're measuring it with professional sound equipment (and then only the equipment will be able to tell you theres a difference... You wont hear it)


Although I would argue ATI GPU's being pretty good for their price, I will agree their driver support is quite poor.

All in all, best advice I've seen +1!

Paknac Queltel
Baden's Army
Posted - 2010.10.14 07:20:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Gaming is in a hard spot right now, for hardware.

VideoCard: nVidia beats the **** out of ATI, any day. Avoid ATI, they're notoriously ****ty. When i worked for a game developer, the majority of bugs / complaints we recieved were caused by ATI's drivers. and by majority i mean a good 70% This problem still exists today.

go for the warrenties. for the most part, different brands mean very little. Pick your GPU chip, and then pick the brand with the best warrenty for you. EVGA, BFGTech are my favorites, they have lifetime warrenties, if your card ever stops working, they'll replace it, and they even have trade-up programs to upgrade cheaply!

CPU:Intel's chips are quality, and only slightly behind AMD's performance. Quadcore is definatly what you want, (don't listen to the people who say dual core is enough) Modern games make full use of all 4 cores. NOt to mention, running multiple eve clients is a huge help here also!

One problem, is AMD's CPU's are best, and nVidia's GPU's are the best, and AMD+nVidia rarely party. If you can find a good AMD board that supports nvidia, go for it. But you'll most likely be looking at Intel motherboards simply due to intel's support for nvidia. which means you'll also be looking at intel CPU's (not a bad thing, they are quality too!)

Ram: Go for the cheapest you can find, unless you are an overclocker. If you don't overclock your hardware, then valuram is the way to go! Those bulky heatsyncs and fan equipment for your memory makes NO DIFFERENCE unless you're overclocking. Mushkin is a great brand for this!

PSU: The most important, and most overlooked piece of hardware in a computer. A ****ty PSU can fry every piece of hardware in the box, and possibly even burn down your house. Always go for more power then you need, and dont be afraid to spend an extra 40 bucks for the good brand. Stay AWAY from Ultra!

AudioCard: In a Nutshell, it doesn't matter. If you have 7.1 speakers, get a card that supports 7.1. Go for the economy/cheap editions of cards. The "gamer" editions are little more then placebo with paint added to the card to make it look awesome. There is NO noticeable improvement in audio quality, unless you're measuring it with professional sound equipment (and then only the equipment will be able to tell you theres a difference... You wont hear it)
Also +1-ing this. Sound advice that will get you a good machine at a reasonable price.

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2010.10.14 08:07:00 - [34]
 

OK here goes ...

Small PC

+ a nice Keyboard and mouse <- these are the hardest to suggest - but a Logitech weighted mouse gets my vote.

that PC will be fine....

Taser Monkey
Against All Asteroids
Posted - 2010.10.14 08:33:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Taser Monkey on 14/10/2010 08:37:03
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
I am the perfect example of clueless.


The only Chip nVidia have that's better than AMD's offering at the same price range is the 104 chips, in other words the GTX 460. Everything else nVidia cost more, are more power hungry and, thus, create more heat. nVidia drivers are better than AMD's, as long as you ignore all the problems nVidia's drivers have and I switched from nVidia to AMD because of nVidia's driver issues.

He's also right, go for the warranties EVGA and BFG offer... if only BFG still existed and hadn't gone bankrupt Laughing

Quote:
CPU:Intel's chips are quality, and only slightly behind AMD's performance. Quadcore is definatly what you want, (don't listen to the people who say dual core is enough) Modern games make full use of all 4 cores. NOt to mention, running multiple eve clients is a huge help here also!


I much prefer AMD, as do Cray, over Intel but what could I say about the stupidity of this post? Are you still stuck in the K8 era and haven't realised the world has moved on from Netburst and A64?

Laughing @ you and your poasts Laughing

Originally by: RaTTuS
OK here goes ...

Small PC

+ a nice Keyboard and mouse <- these are the hardest to suggest - but a Logitech weighted mouse gets my vote.

that PC will be fine....


You're recommending Ion for gaming? Shocked

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2010.10.14 09:22:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Taser Monkey


You're recommending Ion for gaming? Shocked


Yes for running Eve-o as the Original Poster asked for.

as long as you don't want to run 4 clients and lots of other mental excessive games you'll be fine

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.10.14 09:57:00 - [37]
 

  • CPU: I'd go with a Intel i7 930 or a 950, the Intels easily outperforms the AMDs on performance to performance but are more expensive and while I think the Intels are well worth it, your needs (and wallet) may differ from mine.

  • Motherboard: In my opinion, only two options here really, either the Gigabyte UD3R or the Asus Sabertooth. Both of these motherboards have gotten some really good reviews. Gigabytes in particular.

  • Ram: Terminal Insanity is pretty much spot on, but if you can't find Mushkin near you, I'd say go with Corsair or Kingston as they works nicely as well. The Intels also support triple-channel so grab 6GB.

  • GPU: I would personally go for Nvidias 460GTX with either 1GB or 2GB, if you can find them.

  • PSU: Corsair, Antec, Seasonic or Enermax. (Enermax Modu87+ 600W!! *drool*)

  • Case: I am a big fan of Antecs P-183 case.

  • SSD: The Intel G2 80GB works well for the OS installation, some apps and EVE.

  • Storage: 1-2TB perhaps? I got Western Digital Blacks myself.

Serpents smile
Posted - 2010.10.14 10:01:00 - [38]
 

Why bother poasting if you cannot be assed to read the OP:

Quote:
I'm not looking for a SUPERcomputer, but one that can run Eve (and only eve) with good performance and doesn't cost heavens.


/o\

Alpheias
Euphoria Released
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.10.14 10:08:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Serpents smile
Why bother poasting if you cannot be assed to read the OP:

Quote:
I'm not looking for a SUPERcomputer, but one that can run Eve (and only eve) with good performance and doesn't cost heavens.


/o\


Because the stuff we recommended is affordable? We are not talking about overpriced Apple garbage.

Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2010.10.14 10:21:00 - [40]
 

Well I'm not getting anything with less that 4Gb on ram that's for sure. I'm also thinking ahead and as I said I'm not looking for the cheapest alternative, but a good one. Not the best buy, but the best bang for the buck so to speak.

I've been leaning towards Intel due to good working relationship with Nvidia's (as posters have said...Ati/amd and their drivers...ugghh..). The SSD will probably be a 120/160GB as those are basically the only ones on the market here with good price. Also thanks for the SWAP info, I also remembered they had some issues with it, but as I'm going for 8GB of ram I should be ok with only one drive. If not, I'l just add some normal drive it.

As I said, I've already ordered a screen that's a good one for both Eve on my other activities (i have two of those at work at the moment).

As for bluerays and such...well I wouldn't even be installing one if it wasn't for win7 :)

I'm in no instant hurry, so i can easily wait for the 6's series coming out. I do know that my rig (white c2d, x1600, imac 20") will have issues when incarna and incursion comes out, because it's already working like crap. As someone said the win-client also has issues. Yes I know, but with mac client you get those issues (it's a cider port, same client) and cider issues. So you have BOTH problem when it comes to mac clients. If software isn't native you are bound to have issues. Either problems or performance loss.

I can easily play Eve at the moment with medium settings, but I want FULL SETTINGS and a framerate that actually makes me enjoying what I see. I'm a graphical designer (among other design things) and visuals are a very important part for me.


Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2010.10.14 10:25:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Dr Sheepbringer on 14/10/2010 10:36:36
Originally by: Alpheias
Originally by: Serpents smile
Why bother poasting if you cannot be assed to read the OP:

Quote:
I'm not looking for a SUPERcomputer, but one that can run Eve (and only eve) with good performance and doesn't cost heavens.


/o\


Because the stuff we recommended is affordable? We are not talking about overpriced Apple garbage.


At least over here a SUPERDUPER gaming rig costs around 2000e, a normal one perhaps 1000e, I'm going in the middle with 1500e.

Apple garbage...heheh... there is a reason why i'm buying a pc for eve and running all my work on the mac side. Macs and games don't really mix, but neither do pc's and work ;) I do have a ps3 for other gaming activities, but getting a pc for Eve is a mind relaxing choice and well if you can afford it, why not.

I did consider buying a new iMac, but that doesn't change the fact about the mac client. yes, you could run eve with better performance and visuals, but it would still run like a turd compared to same spec win7. Bootcamping isn't really an option, because I need a OSX to be running almost all the time.

Taser Monkey
Against All Asteroids
Posted - 2010.10.14 10:38:00 - [42]
 

For just EVE you can get an Ion, though I don't recommend it.

I recommend the following:
CPU AMD X2 255
Asrock 785G Motherboard

I know I'm linking Newegg but I don't know where you're from and it's just a guide.

You don't need a more powerful CPU nor GPU, as you're only after a PC for EVE. You won't need a super motherboard for OCing and Asrocks are great for their price.

If you don't like this you can always look at something better/different but there's no need to waste more money than you need to.

Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2010.10.14 10:53:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Dr Sheepbringer on 14/10/2010 10:55:10
Originally by: Taser Monkey


You don't need a more powerful CPU nor GPU, as you're only after a PC for EVE. You won't need a super motherboard for OCing and Asrocks are great for their price.

If you don't like this you can always look at something better/different but there's no need to waste more money than you need to.


Yeah, I know eve isn't really the hardest game out there, but I'm mainly looking for a good gaming rig that's been built with Eve in mind (basically what Eve likes more). For example.. HL/HL2 liked CPU and not so much GPU, with eve I'm a bit unsure where the performance is at the moment (probably SSD). All this will probably change with Incarna anyways. Why I'm looking for OC-stuff is the quality. From my OC days I know that they are built with better quality and you don't get hose funny hiss and pop sounds MSI motherboards make Laughing

As I said, I do understand about pc things, but I haven't been following the current trends. Also I have no idea what Eve likes as a client. Can't really compare anything because I use the mac client and it's not native. So with mac it might like CPU due to the port/wrap and with PC it might like GPU. Basically I'm flying blind here with wrong maps Very Happy

My idea of breaking down the quality is:

CPU: Best bang for buck (no extreme versions)
GPU: Best bang for the buck, something good, but nothing too fancy.
PSU: Quality, OC stuff. (they aren't built with blue smoke...)
MOBO: Quality, OC stuff (i've had those best buys...poof)
RAM: best bang for buck, no need to OC.
SDD: Quality, and I'm not afraid to pay a bit more to get it (prolly intel series)
LCD: Already have it, high quality.
CASE: midtower that can fit upgrades, but no bloody neons or flashing predator signs. Silent, under the desk invisible (no fap'licious feelings towards those...)

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2010.10.14 11:20:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: RaTTuS on 14/10/2010 11:22:46
SSD Quiet Version

I'm a fan of mini ITX ATM...

especially quiet ones ... the power supply will be the noisiest thing here.

it will run EVe fine. [and next eve - though you even can upgrade the Video if you want

there are other Mini ITX that you can stuff proper processors in and have passive cooling Options [large cases are needed] but you usually end up at 4GB RAM max , [which is enough]

but YMMV


blegh - added an extra case in that lot....

Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2010.10.14 11:28:00 - [45]
 

Nope, not an ion thanks. Also, running eve on a atom...no thanks. Been there done that, runs like crap.

I've been thinking about a barebone systems as I did have one, but fitting those GPU's is a pain that take two slots. They might squeeze in, but then you get problems with heat. I know, because I fitted a passive cooled 9800PRO into one of those. Tight fit and needed some grinding on the heatsink, but it worked. Also those small PSU's give infernal noise. Normal size PSU's are much much quieter.

A barebone would be ideal for it's size, but upgrading them...ufff...not to mention finding one that can actually fit anything sensible inside is a biatch.

Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2010.10.14 12:05:00 - [46]
 

Ideas?
=======================================================================
Antec Sonata III 500 - ATX-kotelo, 500W 132.90e
Kingston Valueram 8GB (2x4Gt) 1333MHz DD 148.90e
Asus P7P55D LE Intel P55 LGA1156 ATX-emo 111.90e
Asus ENGTX460 DIRECTCU/2DI/1GD5 1GB PCI 224.90e
Intel Core i5-760 2.8 GHz -suoritin, box 200.90e
Intel X25-M 160GB SATA SSD 2.5" (34nm) - 455.90e
=======================================================================
Whole bang in euros: 1275.40e

That's what i'm coming up with a few compromises and stuff like that. I still need a keyboard (not important) and mouse (important!)

Ishina Fel
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.10.14 13:14:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Ishina Fel on 14/10/2010 13:41:46
Reading the discussions regarding Intel vs. AMD vs. NVidia on game forums is always an adventure. Even people who give good advice on other components completely fall prey to favoritism on this topic (case in point: mister Terminal Insanity).

I'll intentionally NOT dive into that can of worms, but rather I'll present you with a build suggestion. Take this advice from someone who has been building custom, hand-assembled PCs for other people for the past three years.

CPU: The AMD Athlon II X2 220 leads the price/performance charts, and is enough for EVE. If you later need more CPU power, you can always upgrade... this thing costs like, nothing at all, and the AM3 socket has support for multiplier-unlocked 6-core CPUs if such a thing ever tickles your fancy.

And if you like things quiet, ditch the reference cooler and mount a Scythe Katana 3 onto it.

GPU: Strictly going by "best bang for the buck", it's the Radeon 5770 1GB. However, CCP is working very closely with NVidia (see all the ads on the tournament streams, or the giveaways at Fanfest etc.), so you could make an argument for NVidia cards being better suited for EVE. The price/performance ratio of the GTX460 768MB is within arm's reach of the 5770, too. Don't worry about the GTX460 1GB - you don't need that much performance for EVE.

If you pick the 5770, go for the Sapphire rev3 one. If you pick the GTX460, take the Gigabyte one with the dual fan unless the price difference to a reference model is larger than 10. EDIT: Especially stay away from the ASUS DirectCu series. They're louder than the stock cooler at all load points.

PSU: Cooler Master Silent Pro M500. For all the low-price, moderate quality products Cooler Master usually churns out, this PSU made people blink in sheer disbelief. Fully modular, extremely quiet, very resilient, and the special flat cables are better than what you find in many 100+ PSUs.

MOBO: ASRock 880G Extreme3. ASRock was once the low-price daughter of ASUS but eventually went independent, and they've come a long way in proving their own ability to provide quality boards.

RAM: The 2x2GB G.Skill DDR3-1333 CL9 kits are the "one size fits all" solution at the moment.

SDD: Crucial RealSSD C300 128MB. You have a SATA-6G port, let's make use of it!

CASE: Fractal Design Define R3. Unobtrusive design, well built, all air intakes have dust filters, comes with a small fan control unit and noise dampening built-in. Two 120mm fans provided, room for one more 120mm and 4 more 140mm's in choice locations.

Need some quiet case fans? Noiseblocker BlackSilentPro series.


Keyboard & Mouse: The only recommendation is to go to your local electronics superstore and put your grubby little fingers on every single keyboard and mouse on display. Only that way you can find one you will be truly happy with.

Well then, anything else you need? Smile

Br41n
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.10.14 13:17:00 - [48]
 

Lol why are so many ppl suggesting an I7 thats an overkill for any except 2 games at the moment and will be for a long time.

I'd go for an I5 750 / AMD Phenom II X4 965

4GB of mem if you run more than 2 clients make it a bit more

SSD is nice but definatly not needed to run eve, a seagate barracuda or a samsung sprintmaster F3 will perform fine.

As for graphics even a radeon HD5770 runs eve smoothly with 2 clients at about 80 FPS, but if you want a little future proof you might want to get a GTX 460 or Radeon HD5830

Soundcard well ok here it goes "Eve has sound?"




Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2010.10.14 13:48:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Ishina Fel

Well then, anything else you need? Smile


Thanks, good posting. I just did a count with those parts (or a bit different models) from another dealer, because the one I was using first didn't have them. Basically it's even more expensive (about +50e) than the i5 + 460 1GB version. That combined with +4GB more memory I think i need skip this idea. Seems like for pricing (in finland anyways) the i5 + 460 combo seems to be a winner.

I do admit that the case you mentioned looks pretty good for my intentions so I'm probably going for that one. I also have some fans left "from the days" that are 12db.

As for people doing "overkill". Keep in mind, that incarna will beef up the specs a lot and I'm not considering to buy a new rig every year. I might upgrade in five years or so... I want this to run Eve for a while...with good graphics. As I don't need storage space i'm 100% guaranteed to go SSD. No debate.

I'll do more research in the evening...now I need to drive home with summer tires and it's snowing outside Shocked

Taser Monkey
Against All Asteroids
Posted - 2010.10.14 13:56:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Taser Monkey on 14/10/2010 13:59:01
Originally by: Ishina Fel
Edited by: Ishina Fel on 14/10/2010 13:41:46
Reading the discussions regarding Intel vs. AMD vs. NVidia on game forums is always an adventure. Even people who give good advice on other components completely fall prey to favoritism on this topic (case in point: mister Terminal Insanity).

I'll intentionally NOT dive into that can of worms, but rather I'll present you with a build suggestion. Take this advice from someone who has been building custom, hand-assembled PCs for other people for the past three years.

CPU: The AMD Athlon II X2 220 leads the price/performance charts, and is enough for EVE. If you later need more CPU power, you can always upgrade... this thing costs like, nothing at all, and the AM3 socket has support for multiplier-unlocked 6-core CPUs if such a thing ever tickles your fancy.

And if you like things quiet, ditch the reference cooler and mount a Scythe Katana 3 onto it.

GPU: Strictly going by "best bang for the buck", it's the Radeon 5770 1GB. However, CCP is working very closely with NVidia (see all the ads on the tournament streams, or the giveaways at Fanfest etc.), so you could make an argument for NVidia cards being better suited for EVE. The price/performance ratio of the GTX460 768MB is within arm's reach of the 5770, too. Don't worry about the GTX460 1GB - you don't need that much performance for EVE.

If you pick the 5770, go for the Sapphire rev3 one. If you pick the GTX460, take the Gigabyte one with the dual fan unless the price difference to a reference model is larger than 10. EDIT: Especially stay away from the ASUS DirectCu series. They're louder than the stock cooler at all load points.

PSU: Cooler Master Silent Pro M500. For all the low-price, moderate quality products Cooler Master usually churns out, this PSU made people blink in sheer disbelief. Fully modular, extremely quiet, very resilient, and the special flat cables are better than what you find in many 100+ PSUs.

MOBO: ASRock 880G Extreme3. ASRock was once the low-price daughter of ASUS but eventually went independent, and they've come a long way in proving their own ability to provide quality boards.

RAM: The 2x2GB G.Skill DDR3-1333 CL9 kits are the "one size fits all" solution at the moment.

SDD: Crucial RealSSD C300 128MB. You have a SATA-6G port, let's make use of it!

CASE: Fractal Design Define R3. Unobtrusive design, well built, all air intakes have dust filters, comes with a small fan control unit and noise dampening built-in. Two 120mm fans provided, room for one more 120mm and 4 more 140mm's in choice locations.

Need some quiet case fans? Noiseblocker BlackSilentPro series.


Keyboard & Mouse: The only recommendation is to go to your local electronics superstore and put your grubby little fingers on every single keyboard and mouse on display. Only that way you can find one you will be truly happy with.

Well then, anything else you need? Smile


If, and only if, you want to play EVE only save the money and get yourself a 9800GTX/GTS250. I have both an 8800GTS 320 (equal to 9600GT) and a 9800GTX+ (equal to a GTS250) and the 9800GTX+ is perfect for EVE. It runs two clients at acceptable fps (not sure what the exact fps is). On the other hand my 4870 (hopefully soon to be replaced with a 6900) runs five clients at 80+ fps. I hit over 350 fps with a single client and that's just overkill for EVE. But EVE isn't the only game I play and the card just isn't good enough for newer games, with NFS Shift sometimes running at 15 fps, which is unplayable.

You can say you only want to play EVE but what I've found is that when you introduce people to playing on a better PC they also start to play other games. In that sense a GTX 460 is the best card to get. However, the above is excellent advice and there's no better gaming PC on the cheap.

CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2010.10.14 14:00:00 - [51]
 

For SSD, just seen that there is a new one from OCZ ( to me at least ), with a pci express interface ( faster than Sata ), pehaps that is something to look at as well.


CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2010.10.14 14:12:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: CyberGh0st on 14/10/2010 14:16:50
Originally by: Terminal Insanity

CPU:Intel's chips are quality, and only slightly behind AMD's performance. Quadcore is definatly what you want, (don't listen to the people who say dual core is enough) Modern games make full use of all 4 cores. NOt to mention, running multiple eve clients is a huge help here also!



And since when did AMD close the performance gap? This is news to me, what new CPU did they release that performs faster than a Core I5 or Core I7? I was still under the impression that the Core I5 and I7 OC'd easier and better than AMD Phenom II X4 and/or X6 Black Edition. ( and are also faster out of the box ).

Or do you have some links with new information that I have missed?

If you can't provide any links then Intel is still the fastest while AMD is the better budget option.

Kephael
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.10.14 14:14:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Gaming is in a hard spot right now, for hardware.

VideoCard: nVidia beats the **** out of ATI, any day. Avoid ATI, they're notoriously ****ty. When i worked for a game developer, the majority of bugs / complaints we recieved were caused by ATI's drivers. and by majority i mean a good 70% This problem still exists today.

go for the warrenties. for the most part, different brands mean very little. Pick your GPU chip, and then pick the brand with the best warrenty for you. EVGA, BFGTech are my favorites, they have lifetime warrenties, if your card ever stops working, they'll replace it, and they even have trade-up programs to upgrade cheaply!


Sorry mate, this isn't 2007. Nvidia have serious problems at this point in time, from wood screw fermi releases to 100 degrees celsius temps. BFG have been out of business for a good while now.

Ishina Fel
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.10.14 14:21:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Ishina Fel on 14/10/2010 14:23:08
Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer
Thanks, good posting. I just did a count with those parts (or a bit different models) from another dealer, because the one I was using first didn't have them. Basically it's even more expensive (about +50e) than the i5 + 460 1GB version. That combined with +4GB more memory I think i need skip this idea. Seems like for pricing (in finland anyways) the i5 + 460 combo seems to be a winner.


Are you sure you did that correctly? I mean, I can't speak for Finnland's pricing schemes but over here in Germany I stay below 750 for the hardware I posted (including 8 GB RAM).

==================================================================================
Crucial RealSSD C300 128GB, 2.5", SATA 6Gb/s (CTFDDAC128MAG-1G1) -- 224,70
AMD Athlon II X2 220, 2x 2.80GHz, tray (ADX220OCK22GM) -- 38,98
G.Skill DIMM Kit 4GB PC3-10667U CL9-9-9-24 (DDR3-1333) (F3-10600CL9D-4GBNT) -- 56,16
G.Skill DIMM Kit 4GB PC3-10667U CL9-9-9-24 (DDR3-1333) (F3-10600CL9D-4GBNT) -- 56,16
Sapphire Radeon HD 5770, 1024MB GDDR5, lite retail (11163-02-20R) -- 112,70
ASRock 880G Extreme3, 880G (dual PC3-10667U DDR3) -- 85,45
Scythe Katana 3 (Socket 478/775/1156/1366/754/939/940/AM2/AM2+/AM3) (SCKTN-3000) -- 16,91
Fractal Design Define R3 black (FD-CA-DEF-R3-BL) -- 87,89
Cooler Master Silent Pro M500, 500W ATX 2.3 (RS-500-AMBA) -- 68,39
==================================================================================
A grand total of 747,34

Alternative GPUs:
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 460 OC, 768MB GDDR5 (GV-N460OC-768I) -- 143,29
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 460 OC, 1024MB GDDR5 (GV-N460OC-1GI) -- 173,21

Alternative CPU:
AMD Athlon II X3 445, 3x 3.10GHz, boxed (ADX445WFGMBOX) -- 64,01



Granted, these are minimum prices provided by a pricing search engine. But even if you add a flat 25% on top of that for rip-off pricing by retailers, you're still below 1000.

Swapping out CPU and mainboard for an Intel quadcore adds another 120 on top of the list above. Not saying that's a bad deal - the i5-760 is a great CPU with unusually good value - but with EVE, the extra performance provided by the quadcore will lay unused. Whether you want to pay for performance you likely won't need is your own choice ;)

CyberGh0st
Minmatar
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2010.10.14 14:43:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: CyberGh0st on 14/10/2010 14:49:27

Just want to note that if the OP would like to run 2 accounts ( 2 clients ), a triple or quad core is definatly the better option. But if the OP says that he is sure he never will run more than 1 client, then a dual core will be fine indeed.

Also want to note that 8GB with a dual core seems a bit wrong to me. How are you going to use that 8GB if you are not running more than 1 client?

I'd say that the above post looks okay if you add the Phenom II X3.

brutoid
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.14 16:29:00 - [56]
 

I would actually wait a couple of months untill Intels Sandy Bridge chips are out. Not to get one, but because their new 6 series chipset and boards will be released aswell (LGA 1155), saving you a couple of hundred of your budget on the ageing hardware you're being reccomended in this thread.

Alternatively, if you can hang on for 8 or so weeks then you'll get a whole new powerful set of goodies to take into consideration. Now strikes me as a bad time to buy in my opinion. The new Mac line-up will be being refreshed aswell. AMD's new cards are released on the 22nd of this month. Its all about the prices.


Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2010.10.14 19:28:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: brutoid
I would actually wait a couple of months untill Intels Sandy Bridge chips are out. Not to get one, but because their new 6 series chipset and boards will be released aswell (LGA 1155), saving you a couple of hundred of your budget on the ageing hardware you're being reccomended in this thread.

Alternatively, if you can hang on for 8 or so weeks then you'll get a whole new powerful set of goodies to take into consideration. Now strikes me as a bad time to buy in my opinion. The new Mac line-up will be being refreshed aswell. AMD's new cards are released on the 22nd of this month. Its all about the prices.




Well there is always that "wait a month, wait a week" and so on. With computer hardware there is never a good time to buy, because everything almost antique in a year. Also I'm not so much looking for going down in price, as i would probably still buy something in this price range. Of course in a few months I would get more powerful hardware, but that's always the case.

But alas, I'm not in a one month hurry anyways. I do want a solid foundation for the specs where I can then upgrade or get a discount depending how the market goes.

A few things I have already decided. Nvidia, because CCP is more in bed with them and Intel being more involved with nVidia...so it's a Intel + nvidia combo then. Also the SSD is certain (model is still up to crabs).

Prices...Germany is cheaper...that's why we fins buy our tv's from there ;)

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2010.10.14 19:53:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer
Edited by: Dr Sheepbringer on 13/10/2010 13:33:06
Ok, I've had it. Seriously. I'm past the praying part when doing jumps in null or lowsec and suddenly the mac client decides to crash.



my clients do that in windows 7 too

Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2010.10.14 20:03:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton


my clients do that in windows 7 too


Yeap, but with mac client you get +1 on that and -50% on performance. I know people who switched from mac client to windows client and yes, they still have problems, but far less than with the tortilla wrap.

Ishina Fel
Caldari
Terra Incognita
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.10.14 20:15:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Ishina Fel on 14/10/2010 20:16:51
If you do pick an Intel, the i3-530 is the price/performance leader among their offerings - it's a dualcore with hyperthreading, so you'll end up with four virtualized cores in total. Depending on your prices, you may get an i3-540 for nearly the same money; it's clocked one speed bin faster, so it may be a lucky steal.

If you're looking for a true quadcore (which is always better than a virtual one, but of course more expensive), the aforementioned i5-760 is the best value. Still, you'd need to multibox massively to actually make all those cores work for you with just EVE. It also has a higher TDP rating (meaning it makes your cooler work harder).


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