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Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2010.10.13 13:32:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Dr Sheepbringer on 13/10/2010 13:33:06
Ok, I've had it. Seriously. I'm past the praying part when doing jumps in null or lowsec and suddenly the mac client decides to crash. Too many crashes and the performance isn't up to par so it's time for a change. BEFORE I loose some really expensive parts. I've been using macs for years now and I was into PC's before (overclocker, modder and so on) so it's not a unknown territory for me. Still, I haven't been keeping up with the components so I'm at loss what's good and what's not.

I'm not looking for a SUPERcomputer, but one that can run Eve (and only eve) with good performance and doesn't cost heavens. I've decided on a budget on 1500e or so (includes everything). So, what does Eve like? (intel/amd, nividia/ati, cpu/ram, gpu...) The budget can live up and down, but any suggestions on putting a 800e SLI-monster isn't really viable.

It's going to have a SSD (which one? remember it only needs win7 and eve).

Monitor: Already ordered (it will be connected to both the gaming pc and my work mac) Samsung SyncMaster 2494HM "24

There isn't really any need for high-tech sounds etc, the default crap is good enough for me.


Hjäp YARRRR!!

Grez
Neo Spartans
Laconian Syndicate
Posted - 2010.10.13 13:38:00 - [2]
 

I built a machine for my brother (high-end, no SLI/Crossfire) for about £600. Had a Phenom II 955, 4GB of memory, Radeon 5850, and standard SATA II BLU-RAY and HDD. It can run anything you can think of at full-wack with room to spare.

For €1500 you could build a monster.

Haxfar Portlaind
Posted - 2010.10.13 13:40:00 - [3]
 

The AMD Phenom II X4 955 should be quit cheap now, but offers great performance (also perfect to OC Wink).

Regarding SSD, kingstons modules should be on par with others, so i'd recommend Crucial, OCZ and afaik intel makes some pretty decent ones too.

For GPU: GTX 460.
IMO the best middle class GPU atm. Get the 1gb version, and don't be scared for the Fermi chip in this one. Razz

But afaik the biggest performance you can get in eve is with a fast HHD, so there is the SSD perfect. Get a SATA III (6GB/s) if your mobo can take that.

Alice Celadon
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.10.13 13:42:00 - [4]
 

All my macs can double box eve on full settings with no problems....




In Windows 7 via Bootcamp. =]

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2010.10.13 15:38:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer
BEFORE I loose some really expensive parts.


Stop flying Minmatar ships or use extra duct tape.

Intel/nVidia/ASUS combo here... running like a dream.

alittlebirdy
Posted - 2010.10.13 15:46:00 - [6]
 

It is not mac it is eve...

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.10.13 16:17:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer
I'm not looking for a SUPERcomputer, but one that can run Eve (and only eve) with good performance and doesn't cost heavens. I've decided on a budget on 1500e or so (includes everything). So, what does Eve like? (intel/amd, nividia/ati, cpu/ram, gpu...) The budget can live up and down, but any suggestions on putting a 800e SLI-monster isn't really viable.
It's going to have a SSD (which one? remember it only needs win7 and eve).
Monitor: Already ordered (it will be connected to both the gaming pc and my work mac) Samsung SyncMaster 2494HM "24
There isn't really any need for high-tech sounds etc, the default crap is good enough for me.

A 1500 Euro budget is totally overkill for EVE.
For that kind of cash, you could have a monster that runs two EVE clients in FullHD with all graphical options ramped up to the max, and still have plenty of processing power leftover.
You can probably even build a 500 Euro machine that runs a single EVE client smoothly.

EVE right now really, REALLY likes GPU power almost exclusively.
2 GB of RAM per EVE client instance should also be complete overkill for all practical intents and purposes even with caching set to the max, but if you're going to use a SSD anyway you might as well kill the cache entirely, in which case, even 1 GB of RAM per EVE client would be most of the time above what's needed.
Less than 4 GB of RAM nowadays is not really recommended, so might as well go with 4, or if you go for triple channel and the i7s that can handle it (not really needed, dual channel on the newer i5s will do just fine) 6 GB is better than 3 GB, because 3 GB is a bit low for Win7. If you're hurting for RAM, I'd personally recommend 8 GB of dual-channel instead, but to each his own.

If you're going just for EVE and not much else on top of a Win7 install, then a 30 GB SSD should be borderline sufficient.
Still, just to be somewhat future-proof, you might still want a 64 GB one... or considering the stuff you might be branching into later on once you have the machine, why not just go for a 128 GB one ?
Besides, larger capacity SDDs are also usually faster than the exact same make of a smaller capacity, so that's an added bonus anyway.

CPU-wise, anything in the "mid-line" setup is, again (damn, I am abusing this word so much today), total overkill.
Personally, I'd recommend an i5 750 or 760.
The reason I recommend the i5 over the AMD ones is that, while the AMD CPUs are cheaper for the same raw performance, the newer i5s handle DDR3 much better (not FSB, but the other thing, whatchamacallit), so overall, you're about on par anyway.
But, meh, CPU doesn't really matter, like I said.

GPU-wise... oh, this WILL bring up a total "fanboi" storm on each side...
...but it is my honest opinion that RIGHT NOW, the best "bang for buck" you can get is with a 460 GTX. Or two of them in SLI mode.
The 460 GTX (especially if you get a nice ultra-durable, overengineered cooling system model) has very little of the drawbacks of the 480s (high power use, loud noise), and with two of them in SLI mode compared to a single 5970 you get only slightly less performance for noticeably lower cost and about the same total power use (compared to a single 480, it's actually better performance at lower cost).
But one single 460 GTX should suffice. I get almost 300 FPS with vsynch off in 1600x1200. Obviously, I keep vsynch on so it's capped at 85.
In fact, even a single Radeon 5770 will be enough for EVE if you only plan to run a single client.

brutoid
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.13 16:26:00 - [8]
 

New ATI\AMD HD6000 series cards are released in about a week, prices will drop a bit on alot of the cards already mentioned in this thread. Not that your budget needs it.

Just sayin.

mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2010.10.13 17:07:00 - [9]
 

I usually do a build or so a year, let me give you my take.

First of all, eve is easy to run. I might not use your whole budget for the build.


Mobo: EVGA P55-LE. It's a solid, budged board, and it has my i5 @ 4.0ghz if you're into that.

CPU: i5 750 or 760. hyperthreading isn't worth the price increase unless you're doing some serious video encoding or other intensive tasks.

RAM: 8GB of G.Skill DDR3-1600.

PSU: Corsair 750w

GPU: GTX 460 1GB is the best bang for the buck on the market. AMD's 6 series is out soon.

Case: I love my Cooler Master Storm Scout, but of course this is personal preference

SSD: Personally I think Intel SSDs are the best. They're about 25% more expensive, but it's worth it for me, as they do everything from fabbing the NAND to writing the drivers all in house. I'd get the X-25M 160GB. The Crucial C300 is a good alternative as well. If you want a backup HD, or more data storage, Samsung F3s are great drives (fastest on the market). They're also very cheap, $60 for a 1TB drive with 500gb platters.

If you still have $$ left over, a mid-range sound card like the Xonar DX or HT Striker is a good place to sink the $$.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.10.13 17:20:00 - [10]
 

…funnily enough, the Mac I have bootcamped runs EVE worse under XP than under OSX, but that's most likely due to the horrible windows gfx drivers Apple have produced for that particular card. ugh

Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2010.10.13 17:47:00 - [11]
 

Thanks for the replies :D I'm on the road now so I won't comment too much yet, but when I said the budget was 1500e I mean for the whole machine (including keyboard, mouse, monitor etc). So already 300e is spent on the lcd.

What I want is the "full experience" with the "24. No dualboxing needs. I just want a smooootthhh ride with a single client that can run with everything maxed out.

Overclocking is probably out of the question because I want silence! (as much as i can). I'm not going to make it water cooled either (too much hassle) even if I do have some waterblocks and pumps from my overclocking periods...(i have other plans for those...).

Yes, I could do a dualboot to bootcamp, but I need the OSX side be running all the time (client crashing doesn't help....). As someone said, it's not the mac it's the client.

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.10.13 18:02:00 - [12]
 

Even though it's Dell, you can pick up a PC for around $300 that will run EVE fine from their outlet site: http://outlet.dell.com just filter it for "previously ordered new" to get a machine that was never shipped to the customer.

Traderguy
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.13 20:14:00 - [13]
 

Apologies to the Op for slight Hijack of the Thread, didn't think it was worth a new one.

I run 4 clients on 3 monitors while doing C4 Anoms, WH mining ops etc. I intend to upgrade my current antique (Amd 4400 2 core, 4 gig ram, Nvidia 260/8500gt)to a more modern spec to better handle the load. I currently get sub 15 fps on the 4 clients with all 4 visible. Mostly maxed graphics settings (No AA)

Question is what combination of components would be optimal?

I am thinking, going Intel Cpu, X58 Mb with an I7 4 core, 3 x 2 GB 1600 triple channel ram, 120 Gb OCX v2 SSD, Nvidia 460 Gpu.

The rest my current system I will keep, Nvidia 260 Gpu, 32" 1080p panel, a 24" and a 19". 750 watt Psu, 640gb HD, Coolermaster full case.

Is the above overkill, could I downgrade any of the components?

Would a 6 core work better if I assigned individual cores to each client, leaving a couple for the myriad other stuff I have running in the background. For budget reasons I would have to go Amd if I did use a 6 core.

Last question is has anyone experience of the 3 way Sli Motherboards?, I am thinking of using 3 disparate video cards to run the 3 monitors, (not in sli)

All the above comes to just over 1k Gb pounds bought online.


Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2010.10.13 20:24:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: mechtech
I usually do a build or so a year, let me give you my take.



I more or less followed your advice and came up with a set that's around 1400e (without lcd, but with case, mouse, keyboard). I'll check the prices and do some more research tomorrow.

Zions Child
Caldari
The Resident Haunting
Posted - 2010.10.13 20:33:00 - [15]
 

So, my system, which was around your budget last year, was as follows:

Motherboard: Gigabyte P55A UD4P
CPU: Intel i7 860 OC'ed to run at a bit more than 920 speeds
Graphics Card: Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5850 (Get an Nvidia. They aren't horribly overpriced now.)
HDD: 3 Western Digital Caviar... Green? I think it was... 500GB each oh, and SATA III, 6GB/s
RAM: 4GB Corsair Dominator DDR3 1600
ODD: Pioneer Blu-Ray R/RW
PSU: OCZ 600W something something blah blah just get a big PSU

Plus a nice case and a whole bunch of fans. Oh, and a fan controller. I would suggest doubling the RAM, and getting a GTX 460 or 470 or something like that, Nvidia came back from the brink of sucking ass. The thing ran 4 clients very well, at max settings. The only thing that would be a problem is the connection speed and making sure you clear your cache fairly often. Oh, the Blu-Ray drive I got was the best on the market.

As for quiet, the only loud thing was the graphics card, and you will NEVER find a modern graphics card that doesn't sound like a leaf blower when that fan gets going.

Also, i5 versus i7... i5 is better for overclocking, but i7 is better for general work applications. Oh, and with the 860/870 i7 and i5 processors, you can't use SLI/Crossfire with both cards operating on a PCI-E x16. It auto downgrades the ports to PCI-E x8. With one card, it is x16 though.

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.13 20:57:00 - [16]
 

dont worry PC clients having the same rubbish its just ccps shoddy programming skills they are starting to turn into wow milking the cashcow

Narisa Bithon
Caldari
The Motley Crew Reborn
Posted - 2010.10.13 21:10:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 13/10/2010 21:11:52
minimum ssd drive u need is 64gb (so u can also have a decent swapfile space on that drive)

go for 128gb or better to future proof your pc incase another good game or two come out that u will want to play on that pc

Hawk TT
Caldari
Bulgarian Experienced Crackers
Posted - 2010.10.13 23:15:00 - [18]
 

BE AWARE:
Windows 7 is great OS, nothing like the crappy Vista, BUT...after each software update, patch, etc., the DLL cache on the system drive gets bigger and bigger.
If you are buying SSD, get at least 128GB!
OCZ Vertex 2 is a great SandForce-1500 based SSD.

DON'T BE IN A HURRY TO BUY GPU - Next monday ATI releases Radeon 6000 series. The new HD 6870 replaces HD 5770, not 5870! Confusing as it is, but HD 6870 will be considerably faster than GTX 460/470, at a lower price. Nvidia will drop the prices, etc...

Get Windows 7 x64 with at least 6GB of RAM (I run 6 x EVE Clients + other office stuff with approx. 10GB memory usage)

Lithalnas
Amarr
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.13 23:28:00 - [19]
 

The latest build for me on newegg is here all 11 necisary parts, just under $1500. (just built this for /g/)

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2010.10.13 23:50:00 - [20]
 

And here I am playing eve in FULL HD on $200 computer with flat 50fps graph.

Ticarus Hellbrandt
Posted - 2010.10.14 00:29:00 - [21]
 

built a new pc a earlier in the year for about £400, Phenom IIx4 955 ati 5770 and other stuff, no ssd though, it runs eve perfectly at max

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2010.10.14 00:49:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Zions Child
Also, i5 versus i7... i5 is better for overclocking, but i7 is better for general work applications. Oh, and with the 860/870 i7 and i5 processors, you can't use SLI/Crossfire with both cards operating on a PCI-E x16. It auto downgrades the ports to PCI-E x8. With one card, it is x16 though.


yet performance wise, those processors aren't really that much better vs previous generation.


btw, about the CFX/SLI thing: what? core2 duo/quad intel chipsets allowed for x16 on both cards (think the P40 series) afaik.

Markett ear
Posted - 2010.10.14 00:59:00 - [23]
 

Computer build resource thread. (other forum)

Please remove this post if it's against tos but this is a really informative thread.

I personally have a about 500$ rig or so (all on sale components).
That runs 3x Copies of eve more than playably while running Hon and watching hi def videos at the same time.

Amd x3 Black edition with the 4th core unlocked OCed @ 3.2Ghz on air
I use a ps3 camera as a mic and it works beautifully all around my room.
4 gigs of ram and most importantly Ati Radeon 4870.


usrevenge
Posted - 2010.10.14 01:00:00 - [24]
 

i'l tell you my laptop specs, it runs eve on high with no lag, so upgrade as u see fit from there.
AMD 2.1ghz processor, ( turion X2)
ATI mobility 3200
3gb of ram
win 7 64bit
( i use a mouse im not a touchpad nub)


now, i would say get ATI 5770 after the 6 series come out
for processor You will prolly want a quad core but get somthing over 2.5ghz PER CORE ( thats important)
3GB of ram is a bare minimum, if u can get 4/6GB of ram but i havent needed it yet.

anyways ur budget of $1500 is very high for just eve, but u can future proof it ( for eve that is) with that,
make sure ur video card supports pixel shader 3.0 or it wont work after march 2011 ( my video card has it, so anything after the 3200 will be safe)

Markett ear
Posted - 2010.10.14 01:27:00 - [25]
 

Also it's worth noting 1500 dollars is more than wasted on a rig, imo get a nice big screen and comfortable peripherals to play on as well.

a SSD imo unless you're looking to eek every bit of performance at a negligence to cost is a waste of money.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2010.10.14 03:24:00 - [26]
 

I must be the only Mac user with Eve Mon and Eve running flawlessly ... knock on pod ...

sorry you have issues mate

Taser Monkey
Against All Asteroids
Posted - 2010.10.14 04:24:00 - [27]
 

Intel: benchmarking Internet epeen,
AMD: price/performance king.

With Intel you get a nice CPU that really scores nicely in Intel optimised tests such as 3DMark or Sandra. With AMD you save money on the entire platform, meaning you can buy a better GPU, memory, more/better HD, case, cooling etc.

Which should you go for? Depends on priority. Do you want to be able to show off how much your PC scores in benchmarks only to have to upgrade your CPU and motherboard when/if your CPU dies or do you want an all round better system? I chose for the latter and will be upgrading my 955 to a 1090 or better when the prices of those CPU's drop, while keeping my motherboard. I'd love to see Intel owners do that. Though, I doubt I'll need anything over 3.7GHz for a looong time to come.

I can't wait for the 6800's and the 6900's in November. Very exciting as a 6950 or 70 will be a nice replacement for my 2.5 years old 4870, which is showing its age now.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.14 04:36:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
I must be the only Mac user with Eve Mon and Eve running flawlessly ... knock on pod ...

sorry you have issues mate

Confirming EVE runs flawlessly on my mac and performance is as good enough.

Shavik Sumi
Caldari
Joint Ventures Limited
Posted - 2010.10.14 06:11:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Narisa Bithon
Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 13/10/2010 21:11:52
minimum ssd drive u need is 64gb (so u can also have a decent swapfile space on that drive)

go for 128gb or better to future proof your pc incase another good game or two come out that u will want to play on that pc


Yes, get a large SSD, I Just ordered the 160GB Intel about 20 mins ago, but do NOT, I repeat do NOT run a SWAP file on an SSD. This is the worst possible Idea. Get enough RAM so you don't need one and if you do just absolutely feel you need one... Put it on a second drive which isn't an SSD. Swaping to an SSD just kills it.

Zions Child
Caldari
The Resident Haunting
Posted - 2010.10.14 06:23:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Shavik Sumi
Originally by: Narisa Bithon
Edited by: Narisa Bithon on 13/10/2010 21:11:52
minimum ssd drive u need is 64gb (so u can also have a decent swapfile space on that drive)

go for 128gb or better to future proof your pc incase another good game or two come out that u will want to play on that pc


Yes, get a large SSD, I Just ordered the 160GB Intel about 20 mins ago, but do NOT, I repeat do NOT run a SWAP file on an SSD. This is the worst possible Idea. Get enough RAM so you don't need one and if you do just absolutely feel you need one... Put it on a second drive which isn't an SSD. Swaping to an SSD just kills it.


THATS what it was. I remembered reading about how Swap files are loltastically slow on SSDs, and I was telling my friend that SSDs are slow in one particular area, but forgot what it was. Thank you sir, for jogging my memory.


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