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Sarton Wells
Posted - 2010.10.04 19:41:00 - [1]
 

Ok, so I've read a lot threads about how the raven is one of the best t1 ships for running l4s. So I decided to train for it. And a few days ago I finally bought one. My problems is it takes an insane amount of time to finish the missions. At least one hour, most take me about two and angel extravanganza was about three hours. Mostly because of my low dps on bs rats and elite frigates. Actually the dps on the bs rats isn't so bad. Between 1000 and 1400 damage per volley. It takes me between 10-20 volleys in order to kill a bs. Depends on how often he uses his reps. But the elite frigates are pure hell. I'm currently training drones lv5 in hopes to remedy this problem but still...

I've seen people talking about getting to 50m isk/hour with a raven which is absolutely impossible for me at this point. So I hope for some advise on which skills should I concentrate on in order to increase my dps. Or perhaps I'm just doing something completely wrong ><

Anyway my fit is:

high: 6 xt-9000 cruise launcher, 2 heavy diminishing power system
med: x-large clarity ward booster I, 4 mission specific hardeners, shield boost amplifier
low: 3 BCS II, 2 power diagnostic system I

Any help is appreciated.

Chris Bailey
Posted - 2010.10.04 20:09:00 - [2]
 

Try sieges

Steijn
Minmatar
Quay Industries
Posted - 2010.10.04 20:40:00 - [3]
 

Things that would help:-

Rigor/Flare rigs
T2 light drones
Faction cruise.
Missile support skills to lvl 4.

Megairo
Posted - 2010.10.04 20:46:00 - [4]
 

All related to inflicting more damage with your cruises

Warhead Upgrades
Target Navigation Prediction
Rapid Launch
Missile Projection
Missile Bombardment
Guided Missile Precision
Cruise Missiles
Cruise Missile Specialization

And, your wasting your ammo shooting frigs with cruises, you need your drones to take care of them.

Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
Posted - 2010.10.04 20:55:00 - [5]
 

Sustained 50mill isk per hour is a bit of a pipe dream, so don't get too hung up on that. If you can get straight up bounties of 20mill you are doing well, and how you do the LP is another matter.

The issue with a raven, or any BS, is it's best against large targets and poor against smaller targets, so you neeed to rely on your drones. The apoc on sansha missions does better imo and doesn't suffer as badly, but you do notice it with a raven if you don't have really good skills. (and I will admit my amarr BS skills are slightly better than my caldari)

You may find you do better with a well skilled BC than a poor skilled BS on some missions, and I still prefer the nighthawk and it's medium weapons for many missions as it copes well with a variety of ship classes. AE4 takes about 45 minutes still with a NH including the bonus room tho... but then that is taking it pretty easy. I tend to semi afk missions a little and don't do them at optimum.

I do have a raven, which I unfitted and mothballed as it really wasn't that great, at least not for me and/or my skill level in caldari. Although I do use a navy scorpion which is similar to a straight raven (in damage) for some missions which suit it better.

You may find a drake to be better in some missions, especially if you can use t2 medium missiles.

Now.. if you can get a group together, a raven and drake (or NH) work well as a team...

I'm assuming you are doing caldari missions of course.. heh...

Hari Markkus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.04 23:41:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Chris Bailey
Try sieges

A good way to make the elite frigate problem worse.

Elizabeth Norn
Tax Evasion Haven
Posted - 2010.10.05 00:33:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Xina Tutor

The issue with a raven, or any BS, is it's best against large targets and poor against smaller targets, so you neeed to rely on your drones.



How does your gun ship deal with small targets? Please don't say you snipe them at 60km.

Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.10.05 00:40:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Caleidascope on 05/10/2010 00:43:35
2 heavy diminishing power system, take them off, put in the drone links, this way drones have more range and start killing frigates while frigates are still far away from you.

I have not done 50 mil/hour, but I can do 10-20 mil/hour per evening so getting plex in the end of the month is not a problem.

Trebor Whettam
Posted - 2010.10.05 01:41:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Trebor Whettam on 05/10/2010 01:42:55
Originally by: Sarton Wells
Ok, so I've read a lot threads about how the raven is one of the best t1 ships for running l4s. So I decided to train for it. And a few days ago I finally bought one. My problems is it takes an insane amount of time to finish the missions. At least one hour, most take me about two and angel extravanganza was about three hours. Mostly because of my low dps on bs rats and elite frigates. Actually the dps on the bs rats isn't so bad. Between 1000 and 1400 damage per volley. It takes me between 10-20 volleys in order to kill a bs. Depends on how often he uses his reps. But the elite frigates are pure hell. I'm currently training drones lv5 in hopes to remedy this problem but still...

I've seen people talking about getting to 50m isk/hour with a raven which is absolutely impossible for me at this point. So I hope for some advise on which skills should I concentrate on in order to increase my dps. Or perhaps I'm just doing something completely wrong ><

Anyway my fit is:

high: 6 xt-9000 cruise launcher, 2 heavy diminishing power system
med: x-large clarity ward booster I, 4 mission specific hardeners, shield boost amplifier
low: 3 BCS II, 2 power diagnostic system I

Any help is appreciated.


The elite frigates should be handled by your drones, which you make no mention of. T2 light scout drones are an integral component of the mission Raven. Train Drones V, Scout Drones V, Drone Interfacing 3 (or 4), and Gallente Drone Specialization 2 as soon as possible, and you'll stop having problems with elite frigates, because your Hobgoblin IIs will eat them up.

In addition to addressing the drone issue, I'd encourage you to switch to the cap boosted Raven with rigor rigs. The extra dps is super helpful for low SP players, and the tank is actually more forgiving. Other than that, just training up Caldari BS and the missile skills to 4 will significantly boost your dps. Before long, you'll be using less than half that number of volleys to kill battleships, and just adding the rigor rigs will make the cruisers disappear much quicker.

Good luck.

PS: Arbalest cruise launchers are quite cheap, so upgrade to them ASAP.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2010.10.05 04:34:00 - [10]
 

first off lets start with skills. sounds like dps is your issue, so get these to 4
Cruise Missiles, get it to at least 4, if you want the most out of the ship get it to 5, then train cruise missile spec 4.
Guided Missile Precision, does not directly increase damage but this will let you hit ships for more quality damage
Missile Projection, gets your missiles to the target faster
Rapid launch, fire the missiles faster! MOAR DPS!
Target Navigation Prediction, again more quality damage
Warhead Upgrades, get this up MOAR DPS!

in drones you will want Drones 5, Scout Drone Operation 5, Drone Interfacing 4, Combat drone operation 4, and Gallente Drone Specialization to at 2. some skills in drone navigation and Drone sharp shooting might help a bit too.

drones kick the crap out of elite frigs!


and below is the standard low sp raven fit. the faction xl booster can be swapped with a meta 4,

bcus for damage,
damage control for a bit of tank, and extra gtfo time.
3x hardeners and an xl booster pretty much all the tank needed, cap injector to run the tank if needed some missions I don't even use it.
pwnage painter, and 3 rigors for higher quality damage, get better hits on cruisers and BCs.
tractor is mostly there to loot the can that drops the loot to finish the mission faster than flying 20km to the can. salvager is there mostly for decoration, if you want to loot/salvage come back in a dedicated ship.

[Raven, raven]
Damage Control II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Dread Guristas X-Large Shield Booster
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Caldari Navy Cataclysm Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I
Salvager I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

Sarton Wells
Posted - 2010.10.05 06:19:00 - [11]
 

Many thanks to everyone! So to summarize I need to get my dps skills to 4 (they're at 3 currently) and learn to use t2 drones. I was worried I am doing something completely wrong >< I'll try fitting the rigor rigs as well.

Again - many thanks ^^

Zanes Shoubje
Posted - 2010.10.05 13:18:00 - [12]
 

T2 drones should be a priority unless another dps related skill takes less than a day. T2 drones add a lot of dps and there are situations where you cant break the tank of those little tackle frigs without them.

As your dps skills, tank skills and knowledge of missions increase you can do with less tank and put in more dps related modules like BCSs and target painters which will speed up things.

vekol
Posted - 2010.10.05 17:29:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: vekol on 05/10/2010 17:30:32
Originally by: Elizabeth Norn
How does your gun ship deal with small targets? Please don't say you snipe them at 60km.


Maybe Smartbombz.

Btt: Don't forget the Drone support skills like Drone Interfacing, Combat Drone Operation, Drone Navigation and so on. They boost your drone dps and overall performance (Drone Navigation becomes essential with medium drones imho, they sometimes need more time to travel to the enemy than killing him)

Elizabeth Norn
Tax Evasion Haven
Posted - 2010.10.05 19:42:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: vekol
Edited by: vekol on 05/10/2010 17:30:32
Originally by: Elizabeth Norn
How does your gun ship deal with small targets? Please don't say you snipe them at 60km.


Maybe Smartbombz.

Btt: Don't forget the Drone support skills like Drone Interfacing, Combat Drone Operation, Drone Navigation and so on. They boost your drone dps and overall performance (Drone Navigation becomes essential with medium drones imho, they sometimes need more time to travel to the enemy than killing him)


And where do you fly this smartbomb battleship? :)

Helen Hunts
Gallente
Red Dragon Mining inc
Red Dragon Industries
Posted - 2010.10.05 20:12:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: vekol
Edited by: vekol on 05/10/2010 17:30:32
Originally by: Elizabeth Norn
How does your gun ship deal with small targets? Please don't say you snipe them at 60km.


Maybe Smartbombz.


Oh, please use smartbombs. It makes it so much easier for the ninjas to loot and salvage the wreckage of your mission ship. (AoE damage, a non-aggressed 'neutral' and CONCORD)

Drones. Battleships use DRONES to take out small targets.
Personally, I'll send out the drones to take out the small crap first (working up to larger stuff) while I take out the big stuff and work down to smaller.

Elizabeth Norn
Tax Evasion Haven
Posted - 2010.10.05 20:28:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Elizabeth Norn on 05/10/2010 20:36:46
Originally by: Helen Hunts
Originally by: vekol
Edited by: vekol on 05/10/2010 17:30:32
Originally by: Elizabeth Norn
How does your gun ship deal with small targets? Please don't say you snipe them at 60km.


Maybe Smartbombz.


Oh, please use smartbombs. It makes it so much easier for the ninjas to loot and salvage the wreckage of your mission ship. (AoE damage, a non-aggressed 'neutral' and CONCORD)

Drones. Battleships use DRONES to take out small targets.
Personally, I'll send out the drones to take out the small crap first (working up to larger stuff) while I take out the big stuff and work down to smaller.


This guy knows what she's talking about. Have your lights waste the frigates and shoot the things that allow you to put out the most DPS on them which are Battleships if you are using Battleship weapons then go for BCs, Cruisers, Destroyers and finally frigates (screw shooting torps at Spider Drones Evil or Very Mad). Fit a BS for decent damage and you'll end up killing the cruisers before your drones are finished.

Moose Burger
Posted - 2010.10.05 21:14:00 - [17]
 

In order to get good isk/hour on a raven. It is possible even with 1.6-2m SP. As to start, you need

1) USE FACTION MISSILES!
2) weapon upgrades
3) USE FACTION MISSILES!
4) missile support skills III+ , caldari Battleship IV+
5) USE FACTION MISSILES!
6) social skills IV+ that means X connection and negotiation III+
7) USE FACTION MISSILES!
8) Drone interface III at least
9) USE FACTION MISSILES!
10) Use Liang's fit (google it). get CNR ASAP
11) USE FACTION MISSILES!
12) Good science LP store. in a good system. in a good agent.
13) USE FACTION MISSILES!USE FACTION MISSILES!USE FACTION MISSILES!USE FACTION MISSILES!USE FACTION MISSILES!USE FACTION MISSILES!USE FACTION MISSILES!USE FACTION MISSILES!USE FACTION MISSILES!USE FACTION MISSILES!USE FACTION MISSILES!USE FACTION MISSILES!USE FACTION MISSILES!USE FACTION MISSILES!USE FACTION MISSILES!USE FACTION MISSILES!USE FACTION MISSILES!USE FACTION MISSILES!USE FACTION MISSILES!


 

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