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IQ 001
Gallente
2plus2isfive
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.10.11 09:38:00 - [241]
 

i love capsuleer, most used program on my iphone.


@roc wieler, why not set up a paypal 'donate' button with the next app update, and bring it to the front screen every time u push an update, its not perfect but its better than nothing?

Gajet
Gallente
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
Posted - 2010.10.11 10:34:00 - [242]
 

TBH they could have given the app for free to not break any of Apples rules or tread on CCP's toes. Then charged a subscription for the push notification services. Plenty of people would have payed 59p a month for that, providing the app was developed and we got real wallet and asset services etc.

Tallaran Kouros
Cryptonym Sleepers
Posted - 2010.10.11 13:17:00 - [243]
 

It sounds like the devs are basically spitting the dummy out now that they aren't getting their way with CCP.

I can understand their frustration but why pull the app from the app store?

That's just pure spite.

They could easily push a new and final update out that would disable notifications and the news feed yet still allow us to check up on our skill training and review the skills database.

Amalynn
Posted - 2010.10.12 04:56:00 - [244]
 

Originally by: Gajet
TBH they could have given the app for free to not break any of Apples rules or tread on CCP's toes. Then charged a subscription for the push notification services. Plenty of people would have payed 59p a month for that, providing the app was developed and we got real wallet and asset services etc.

Yep, or they could have added an in-app purchase as a way to donate. Lots of avenues for the creative developer.

Compleat Bacon
Posted - 2010.10.12 05:24:00 - [245]
 

Edited by: Compleat Bacon on 12/10/2010 05:26:57
Originally by: CCP Manifest

We're incredibly saddened to see Capsuleer leave, it's used frequently by ourselves as well as a huge portion of the playerbase and is a stellar example of the third-party applications in the EVE universe. Our internal progress with evolving the third-party landscape has had a number of complications but expect that within the year, we will have a more open application program for all third-party developers to more easily sustain and potentially monetize on their efforts for the playerbase.




Translation:
We are sad to see it go, but we will do nothing. Someday, maybe we will get our act together and do something.

So in the end, the effect is "We don't care". Because, if you did, you would do something. Follow up on original promises made, move forward, etc.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Eve/CCP has peaked, and is now on the slow glide downhill. When internal bureaucracy starts causing nothing to be done, when the committees are making the critical decisions, the slide just gets faster and faster.


Orange Lagomorph
Posted - 2010.10.12 05:41:00 - [246]
 

All these little apps can suck it.

Until CCP allows us to change skill training without opening up the graphical client (some devices simply can't run it), I have no use for all this nonsense. I already know all of my characters' information, and I can read news blurbs at home. I don't need to look at that crap fifteen times per day, and frankly I'm happy to be away from EVE when not actively playing it.

Then again, this is the iPhonepodgadgetdroid generation, where everyone has their snout crammed into a device sixteen hours a day. My sister gets ****ed off at me because when I'm not traveling, I turn off my cell phone for months a stretch, rely on my land line, and refuse to read texts and other such nonsense.

Brutorr
Posted - 2010.10.12 05:46:00 - [247]
 

Edited by: Brutorr on 12/10/2010 05:51:16
If I'm not mistaken, if CCP were to do any business with Capsuleer, many other programs and websites devoted to EVE would demand the same treatment.

It's wonderful that people contribute to EVE's awesomeness, but hoping that CCP will do anything formally with anything like Capsuleer is a little absurd.


With the amount of love Capsuleer is getting, I'm sure donations would be more than enough to keep Capsuleer paying for its costs.


Greed is good, but it's realm is reality.


Edit: After reading some more of Roc Weiler on this thread, it seems that since the folks at CCP did not want to business with Capsuleer at present time, the creators of Capsuleer are scrapping the application in spite.


Shame on you.


Tarartia
Posted - 2010.10.12 10:07:00 - [248]
 

Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
All these little apps can suck it.

Until CCP allows us to change skill training without opening up the graphical client (some devices simply can't run it), I have no use for all this nonsense. I already know all of my characters' information, and I can read news blurbs at home. I don't need to look at that crap fifteen times per day, and frankly I'm happy to be away from EVE when not actively playing it.

Then again, this is the iPhonepodgadgetdroid generation, where everyone has their snout crammed into a device sixteen hours a day. My sister gets ****ed off at me because when I'm not traveling, I turn off my cell phone for months a stretch, rely on my land line, and refuse to read texts and other such nonsense.


Nice troll, back under the bridge (or should I say technophobic rock) with you.

BTW +1 support for Capsuleer from me!

Corozan Aspinall
Perkone
Posted - 2010.10.12 10:11:00 - [249]
 

Originally by: Tarartia
Originally by: Orange Lagomorph
All these little apps can suck it.

Until CCP allows us to change skill training without opening up the graphical client (some devices simply can't run it), I have no use for all this nonsense. I already know all of my characters' information, and I can read news blurbs at home. I don't need to look at that crap fifteen times per day, and frankly I'm happy to be away from EVE when not actively playing it.

Then again, this is the iPhonepodgadgetdroid generation, where everyone has their snout crammed into a device sixteen hours a day. My sister gets ****ed off at me because when I'm not traveling, I turn off my cell phone for months a stretch, rely on my land line, and refuse to read texts and other such nonsense.


Nice troll, back under the bridge (or should I say technophobic rock) with you.

BTW +1 support for Capsuleer from me!


TBH I'm with Agent Orange.

Cendrillion
Posted - 2010.10.12 21:59:00 - [250]
 

Don't have the time to read all of these posts, sosorry if I am parroting anyone.

Rant

CCP, you will not lose any money to allow capsuleer to become a paid app, they can roll out a new version with a new feature or limit the current version and charge five-ten bucks for the new/full version. Hell, maybe even go so far as to give them some public support to allow them to continue to make YOUR product better with no skin off your backs?

/Rant

Evegate will not make you additional money (and it best stay that way), and can you honestly say that capsuleer doesn't help retain your players through its ability to monitor skills. Plus, there is no way in hell that it does not benefit you if the playerbase is plugged into Eve when they on a bus/train/plane/class?

Its a win win win situation for CCP, the capsuleer devs, and the playerbase, whats the big holdup??? Save Capsuleer!


Kidain
Gallente
Rule of Five
Posted - 2010.10.12 22:38:00 - [251]
 

Originally by: Cendrillion
Don't have the time to read all of these posts, sosorry if I am parroting anyone.

Rant

CCP, you will not lose any money to allow capsuleer to become a paid app, they can roll out a new version with a new feature or limit the current version and charge five-ten bucks for the new/full version. Hell, maybe even go so far as to give them some public support to allow them to continue to make YOUR product better with no skin off your backs?

/Rant

Evegate will not make you additional money (and it best stay that way), and can you honestly say that capsuleer doesn't help retain your players through its ability to monitor skills. Plus, there is no way in hell that it does not benefit you if the playerbase is plugged into Eve when they on a bus/train/plane/class?

Its a win win win situation for CCP, the capsuleer devs, and the playerbase, whats the big holdup??? Save Capsuleer!




Th big problem? They are probably half way though creating an EVE Gate App for phones that does exactly what Capsuleer and the others do.

And there is no way they are going to "help" the competitor.

Sadly though it seems as if the makers of Capsuleer thought that by throwing the toys out of the pram and getting the community on side they would get lots of money.

I don't see the makers if Iclone complaining and to say capsuleer was taking more and more time to maintain is weird. I mean seriously what do you do to have to "maintain?"

Sciencegeek deathdealer
Posted - 2010.10.12 23:27:00 - [252]
 

CCP really dropped the ball this time.

XD Andy
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.12 23:34:00 - [253]
 

This is extremely sad news.

Capsuleer has to be one of my most used iPhone apps. It will be a real shame to so it go.

I've used it since fanfest '08 where I was put onto it by one of the Transgaming guys, and actually downloaded and installed it during the Mac round table talk.

I sincerely hope CCP review their position regarding this issue, although I'm certain there must be issues regarding setting a precedent in this sort of area.

If nothing else, thank you for all your time and effort to date. It has been, and will continue to be, genuinely appreciated.

Andy

Zathi Shaitan
Illiteracy Combatants
Posted - 2010.10.13 00:47:00 - [254]
 

Typical CCP.
Typical EON Mag too (ya know, the guys that typed "minmitar" instead of "minmatar" in a bunch of pages on the last issue.


alittlebirdy
Posted - 2010.10.13 05:51:00 - [255]
 

So ccp says no, because CCP wants spacebook to keep moving fowards, then comes along with some BS to feed everyone just like, fixing the lag, I lol @ you ccp.

BAteh
Penumbra Congregatio
Posted - 2010.10.13 14:02:00 - [256]
 

Chris and Marcus: Don't let it die. Open source it and let the app follow its merited course.


Aera Aiana
Amarr
Posted - 2010.10.13 15:38:00 - [257]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 09/10/2010 14:09:27
Originally by: Aera Aiana
Originally by: Killian Burns
Capsuleer devs dont worry about community, all they want is money. So they free to make money in another place now.


Which is why it has been free thus far... right.

No, it was free as they didn't have a license to charge for it.


Well, hello there. You must be the resident forum clown. I'm sure you give your performances for free too and hope someone will pay you afterwards, right?
They certainly wouldn't have started to develop a third party application if all they cared about was money. There are so many other ways to make a buck as a programmer. Which I'm sure they're going to do now.

Zin Mercher
Posted - 2010.10.13 17:23:00 - [258]
 

Originally by: BAteh
Chris and Marcus: Don't let it die. Open source it and let the app follow its merited course.




Since it appears CCP will not pick up the ball on this (unless something is in the works behind the scenes now), I would agree with the above. Open source it. Let someone with a little extra time and money keep it alive. I have both iClone and Capsuleer on my phone and I repeatedly turn to CAPS for a quick fix and update on my skill cues.

Please reconsider. There are some savvy guys would love to chance to pick up the ball for you guys.

Zin

Brutorr
Posted - 2010.10.13 18:20:00 - [259]
 

I find it odd that the cost to keep Capsuleer going became too great at the same time Capsuleer found out CCP will not do business with them.

Siiee
Recycled Heroes
Posted - 2010.10.14 07:55:00 - [260]
 

Originally by: Aera Aiana

Well, hello there. You must be the resident forum clown. I'm sure you give your performances for free too and hope someone will pay you afterwards, right?


That's so right. There certainly has never been a business that attempted to build a large and loyal user base with a free app or service, with the intent to transition to pay services at a later date. No one would ever pump their adoption numbers to attempt to get investors to buy in by releasing an early version of their product for free and heavily advertising, constantly teasing unreleased "advanced" features in an attempt to gain more market share over competitors before being anywhere near release.





Rolling Eyes

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2010.10.14 08:03:00 - [261]
 

sorry but this type of software doesnt belong in the 'business' department. Capsuleer was nice but essentially easy to code.

It seems like the developers put way too much emphasis on monetizing on their creation, rather then just making it. Judging by your forum post, i'd bet CCP just got sick of paying your fees.

This is proof as to why these types of programs dont belong in the hands of paid 'professionals'. TBH Im sure theres at least 2 dozen players in eve who both have the ability and time to create this for free. Look at all the applications that are out for the PC etc, believe it or not, the iPhone is actually easier to program...

Tifforsia
Posted - 2010.10.14 12:09:00 - [262]
 

The application really lacked any utility to be honest. Sure, you could monitor your skills.. Just in case you hadn't utilized your 24 hour skill que or something. It didn't allow you to change them. Frankly who likes watching their skills tick down? The best part of the skill system to me is that I can watch a movie, go on a boat or straight up leave the country for a month and it magically keeps going and it's wallah! done! Actually watching them tick down 24/7 would make me want to kill myself tbh.

Why would you want to do that? Either way my phone has a clock and I know how long my skills will last because I set them so if I want to monitor them I can look at the cellphone. Its sad people seem to need a program to put those two things together for them.

Here I'll write you a new program
1. Look at skill time until completion
2. Click start.
3. Look at clock.
4. Add the two times.
5. Apply to 24hr day cycle.
6. Continue as normal.


Now install that into your brains you hapless ******s.

Grog Barrel
Posted - 2010.10.14 18:36:00 - [263]
 

Originally by: Tifforsia

Why would you want to do that?


to pretend you are doing something cool and heavly interesting, when you actually have nothing to do, i.e. smoke a round.

yerr know? Cool

Anke Eissmann
Posted - 2010.10.15 10:36:00 - [264]
 

Edited by: Anke Eissmann on 15/10/2010 10:38:33
I used to use Capsuleer on the iPod touch. But I've moved on to Android devices now. I didn't find that Capsuleer really did very much. I just showed character info, current skill queue and a feed from the circle jerk of eve blog pack or whatever it was. Sucks to see developers lose interest in their projects and move on, but that's life. Move on to another application Shocked It's not like this was Evemon, EveHQ or any of the other myriad of apps which are completely awesome and allow so much planning and information.

Mortalius DiVear
Amarr
The Faceless Corporation
Posted - 2010.10.15 13:52:00 - [265]
 

iphone.. pff..

I recommend Aura for android! YARRRR!!

Cyrus Doul
E0 Corp
Posted - 2010.10.15 16:28:00 - [266]
 

Originally by: Mortalius DiVear
iphone.. pff..

I recommend Aura for android! YARRRR!!


I was just going to ask if capsuleer was like Aura. Only beef I have with aura is that in the skill planner the current skill training does not update the timer unless you log in and pause training for a moment. Other then that I like it better then evemon tbh.

General Gunnery
Posted - 2010.10.18 21:14:00 - [267]
 

well, this sucks.

Tryst Sabaro
Posted - 2010.10.20 02:10:00 - [268]
 

You know what really sucks ... I just got an iPhone today and Capsuleer has been the main reason I've wanted one for the last few months.

That aside, I'm very sorry to hear about your plans not taking root. I wish you guys the best of luck in your future projects, and who knows, maybe you'll get a chance to dust off Capsuleer and breathe life back into it in the future.

KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
Posted - 2010.10.20 02:28:00 - [269]
 

Originally by: Krispy Dingo
Edited by: Krispy Dingo on 06/10/2010 22:29:47
Originally by: Devoyd
iClone blows. Too bulky, too slow.


I used to feel that way, but anymore I actually find myself using all the features in it. If you could just update certain items on demand, it would be better. Also, it now has multitasking support, which is really nice.


iClone dev is pushing out a 'lite' version for all of the people that miss capsuleer.

KB

waynemcbain
Caldari
Serenity Engineering and Transport Company
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2010.10.20 14:37:00 - [270]
 

I got rid of my iHeapof**** and the only thing I miss is Capsuleer. Too bad things didnt work out it was a really solid application which I spent a lot of time using.


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