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Kalain ap'Sulen
Dirt Nap Squad
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2010.10.04 18:31:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Tyber Zaan
Seriously. The new bugs aren't that bad. They are inconvenient or annoying at worst. CCP causes a few minor UI bugs and, judging by the prevailing attitude on the forums, people are ready to march on CCP's HQ and burn it to the ground.


CCP’s “Excellence” initiative.

Oorestes
Amarr
Lights in the Sky
Posted - 2010.10.04 18:43:00 - [62]
 

Let's see. I think I can answer this one by just browsing through this thread real quickly.


Post 2 "crappy carebaring"

Post 5 "game has become 90% worse because of this patch"

Post 9 "Carebearing isn't exactly playing the game as intended" (A personal favorite of mine)

That's with just a 2 minute browse over the thread.


Remember this thread was supposed to be about the bugs with the new patch but this thread, like most every other thread has to make it past the hijackers that want to turn every thread into an axe that they will dutifully grind.

Short answer, the Eve forums are populated by extremists and people who like to tell you how you should be playing the game. One can theorize for hours on end as to why there is so much angst and so many salty cheeks among a population that is supposed to be the most "mature" in the current MMO market but the answer as to why is probably too complex for a puny mind such as mine to comprehend.

My current best guess is that the pvp folks are having a hard time adapting to the fact that Eve is swiftly becoming dominated by people who would rather pve so they frequently lash out at the developers every time they get a chance.

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.04 18:45:00 - [63]
 

can adapt and survive suicide gnaks are always fun but

Barakkus
Posted - 2010.10.04 18:48:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: HeliosGal
can adapt and survive suicide gnaks are always fun but


Did you not finish grammar school or something? Or are you just 7 years old and have a poor grasp on written language still?

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.10.04 18:59:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: HeliosGal
can adapt and survive suicide gnaks are always fun but


...wait...what...my head hurts now. ugh


Fuzzy II
Posted - 2010.10.04 19:18:00 - [66]
 

Because since the patch my client crashes every 5-10 minutes. Its easy to say the bugs aren't so bad if you're not experiencing them.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.10.04 19:45:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Oorestes
Let's see. I think I can answer this one by just browsing through this thread real quickly.
Apparently not — you're using quotes out of context and drawing conclusions on things they don't particularly address.

Have a look at what the posts you quoted actually say and come back with a new assessment.

Moatie2
Posted - 2010.10.04 19:45:00 - [68]
 

Last week I started to experience the game "freezing up" every 5 to 20 minutes. In other words, my ship would sit in space and do nothing. If I stop, then fully re-start the game, I'm good for another 5 to 20 minutes. I thought the patch would fix this, but nope. Probably have to re-install the client?

Jaqel Broadside
Posted - 2010.10.04 19:47:00 - [69]
 

Tyber.

I dont think you really get the effort some of the playerbase go to to try and ensure that before a patch/release is passed on to the live server the software actually works.

You state the bugs are minor,,, quite frankly how do you know ? If the UI is showing faulty standings then that puts a whole alliance security at risk. If I have 3 fleet commanders then exactly which one is active and applying the bonuses and therefore protecting billions in assets ? If I have double postings on the overview that means my client has 2x the work to do to keep the overview updated.

If you did actually investigate the efforts people have put in of their own free time reporting bugs, making suggestions on improvements, the CSM (A joke IMHO),,

Now compare this to the call from CCP for people to get involved for the lag testing,,,

It seems to me the situation is CCP just do whatever they want to do, regardless of how it affects their customers even when they are told of the problems before it happens.

We are bad if we dont get involved, yet when we do get involved we are ignored or overridden.

From a player perspective this release/patch was for nothing other than some Mac improvements,,, Yet the whole playerbase has been affected.

Why couldnt the patch be effectively tested and THEN apply it.

People are so up in arms because CCP keep getting it wrong over and over, in a business when things go wrong ypu put systems in place to stop the recurrance,,, bugs can last years in this game and whenever a patch gets installed it has a 1/3 chance of working and a 1/1 chance of screwing something else up.

Combine that with the fact that many people have to follow procedures and check their own work or get sacked,,, and you have a recipe for a lot of professional people seeing cowboys at work who should be fired.

If you cant understand that circumstance I can only surmise you are not a professional and have never worked in a professional environment - quite simply 100s if not millions of pounds could be at stake.

Your comments are complacent, ignorant and childish.

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
Posted - 2010.10.04 19:56:00 - [70]
 

Why?

Because people are ****ing tired of the UI glitches that seem to creep in, in almost every single patch.

No, it's not 'broken'. A lot of stuff in EVE is not 'broken' but it sure as hell doesn't get any more 'fixed' as time goes.

It's that old saying about the straws and the camel's back Neutral

The UI is the single most important thing in a game.

The fact that it has been on the back-burner for years now, 'cause it's so "rotten" that CCP has to do a complete revamp to get it up to snuff, is seriously starting to **** people off.

Devoyd
Amarr
Posted - 2010.10.04 19:58:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Devoyd on 04/10/2010 19:59:27
Originally by: Pohbis

The UI is the single most important thing in a game.



I have to disagree here, the single most important feature in the game is the "block" button. But then again, that button is part of the UI, so go figure.

Cryocasm
Task Force A.S.T.E.R.O.I.D
Posted - 2010.10.04 22:50:00 - [72]
 

I'm not usually one to get grumpy about patches, and especially not vocal about it on the forums but...I would LOVE to be having simple issues like " my windows move all over the place. " instead of issues like, I get attacked by sleepers and take damage directly to my armour and hull as the game won't recognize my shield for random reasons. Or my capacitor showing full, then running out in the middle of a fight. Or how I went from running eve at 250,000k of memory to upwards of 500 to 600, so now I can't run more than one client and have trouble with the first at times ( even when sitting still and not in fights ). Grrrrreat patch I tell ya. No game breaking issues here *rolls eyes*

Meridith Akesia
Stimulus
Posted - 2010.10.04 23:42:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Jaqel Broadside
Tyber.

I dont think you really get the effort some of the playerbase go to to try and ensure that before a patch/release is passed on to the live server the software actually works.

You state the bugs are minor,,, quite frankly how do you know ? If the UI is showing faulty standings then that puts a whole alliance security at risk. If I have 3 fleet commanders then exactly which one is active and applying the bonuses and therefore protecting billions in assets ? If I have double postings on the overview that means my client has 2x the work to do to keep the overview updated.

If you did actually investigate the efforts people have put in of their own free time reporting bugs, making suggestions on improvements, the CSM (A joke IMHO),,

Now compare this to the call from CCP for people to get involved for the lag testing,,,

It seems to me the situation is CCP just do whatever they want to do, regardless of how it affects their customers even when they are told of the problems before it happens.

We are bad if we dont get involved, yet when we do get involved we are ignored or overridden.

From a player perspective this release/patch was for nothing other than some Mac improvements,,, Yet the whole playerbase has been affected.

Why couldnt the patch be effectively tested and THEN apply it.

People are so up in arms because CCP keep getting it wrong over and over, in a business when things go wrong ypu put systems in place to stop the recurrance,,, bugs can last years in this game and whenever a patch gets installed it has a 1/3 chance of working and a 1/1 chance of screwing something else up.

Combine that with the fact that many people have to follow procedures and check their own work or get sacked,,, and you have a recipe for a lot of professional people seeing cowboys at work who should be fired.

If you cant understand that circumstance I can only surmise you are not a professional and have never worked in a professional environment - quite simply 100s if not millions of pounds could be at stake.

Your comments are complacent, ignorant and childish.


That summed it up perfectly.

Corozan Aspinall
Perkone
Posted - 2010.10.05 00:14:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Corozan Aspinall on 05/10/2010 00:26:35
Originally by: Tyber Zaan
Edited by: Tyber Zaan on 04/10/2010 13:25:13
Seriously. The new bugs aren't that bad. They are inconvenient or annoying at worst. CCP causes a few minor UI bugs and, judging by the prevailing attitude on the forums, people are ready to march on CCP's HQ and burn it to the ground.

edit: grammatical mistake.


In short: it introduced more issues than it cleared up. Some serious. Some just annoying.
People are up in arms because, being mainly geek aristocracy, that kind of sloppy attention to detail just bugs us.

Thats the non emo rage version. Bad stuff happens from time to time and - in fairness - a lot of the more recent expansions have been relatively well managed and deployed. People also do like to moan a lot. Especially when they are themselves directly effected by common issues. Most like to moan about stuff that doesn't effect them at all. So it gets worse when it actually does.

d00m2
Posted - 2010.10.05 00:26:00 - [75]
 

People are really going to complain about the Scorch nerf in the next patch.

Demon Azrakel
Gallente
Defiant..
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2010.10.05 00:58:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: d00m2
People are really going to complain about the Scorch nerf in the next patch.


Really? Shocked I am so pis..wai...no..

Oh yeah, I fly Gallente, so time to stop telling corp mates to train Amarr (mostly because of Scorch)

Should I tell them Minmatar now?

Voith
Posted - 2010.10.05 02:31:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Tyber Zaan
Edited by: Tyber Zaan on 04/10/2010 13:25:13
Seriously. The new bugs aren't that bad. They are inconvenient or annoying at worst. CCP causes a few minor UI bugs and, judging by the prevailing attitude on the forums, people are ready to march on CCP's HQ and burn it to the ground.

edit: grammatical mistake.

Because most people don't have the slightest clue how Software Gets Developed.
So when a patch gets released that doesn't fix their issues, because clearly their issues are the most important ones, after all they are a paying customer, then it is because the Company that makes it is horrible. And Evil. and the game they makes sucks too. But they want to spend hours on a forum nerding out over it.

Not that it excuses how frequently CCP chain-fails something, but it is your standard overreaction. Just think about the different paths your character can take. Then realize that if you spend time developing a better "X", 90% of the game will rarely if ever use it and consider that wasted time, because you didn't work on the part of the game that they play.

Just think about it:
Mining
Missions
Exploration
Wormholes
Low-Sec
Faction Warfare
Production
Trading
Research
PoS Warfare
NPC 0.0
Etc, etc ,etc

Work on any one of them and 90% of people will never see the improvement.

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2010.10.05 10:51:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: HeIIfire11
Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 04/10/2010 16:28:49
Originally by: Barakkus
Fitting modules and getting error messages about the module already being online, everything showing up correctly in the fitting screen then when you undock every single module is offline is a ****ing pain in the ass, you have to redock, strip the fittings and make sure you load non-packaged modules to your ship. That is a VERY irritating bug...thinking you got everything on your ship only to find everything offline when you warp somewhere is a MAJOR pain in the ass.


This was on sisi too.



It's been on TQ for at least a few months.

Xavier Isaacson
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2010.10.05 11:43:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Tyber Zaan
Edited by: Tyber Zaan on 04/10/2010 13:25:13
Seriously. The new bugs aren't that bad. They are inconvenient or annoying at worst. CCP causes a few minor UI bugs and, judging by the prevailing attitude on the forums, people are ready to march on CCP's HQ and burn it to the ground.

edit: grammatical mistake.


**** got broke

Vorgdummychar
Posted - 2010.10.07 12:03:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Vorgdummychar on 07/10/2010 12:04:05
Originally by: Barakkus
Edited by: Barakkus on 04/10/2010 15:36:29

Some of these bugs should have never made it past QA.




Maybe QA said: Nonono to deployment, but management said: Yesyesyes... for whatever reasons...

Originally by: Tippia

Originally by: Dreeepa
Its hilarious to read this whining. In order to make things better, they WILL be broken (at first). Thats software develoment.
No. That's sloppy development. Yes, things will get broken along the line — that's why you don't release it quite yet. As far as anyone can tell, there was nothing in this patch that was absolutely critical to get out the door, so why did they release it? What were the dependencies for new features released in this patch that required them to deploy a back-end that wasn't finished?


Maybe they thought the minor issues can be patched later on, as they were only low prio bugs... Maybe they are already tracked in their bugtracker? Who knows?



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