open All Channels
seplocked EVE General Discussion
blankseplocked What's up with the News? Does CCP need help?
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: [1] 2

Author Topic

Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.01.03 10:18:00 - [1]
 

The last posted official in-game news went up on 2004.12.20 18:58:52. It's been over two weeks. Now I grant that the RL holidays play a part in this, but it's still an ongoing issue that CCP seems to continually ignore the political machinations that take place in EVE.

I had hoped that the Jovians formally recognizing the 0.0 alliances would help with this. I had hoped that with the dawn of Exodus that we would see more references to the new 'upstart' alliances in the news. Nothing of the sort has happened.

Let's take a look at just a few things that have taken place since Exodus went live:

1.) The formation and then complete destruction of the Fade Union Alliance in barely two weeks. How in the world can this not be news? Between Bob and their friends in 0.0, and then FRICK scoring something like 260 kills in ten days, FU went down in flames. Seems to me like someone might have commented on it but... nothing.

2.) The near destruction of PA and the and mass 'exodus' of some of it's more prominent corporations. BoB is now parked in Venal and the North almost 23/7. Not news apparently.

3.) The split of the NSA and it's subsequent mutual 'Let's 'roid Munch in Peace' agreement with BoB that now puts these two powers in control of a massive swath of territory flanking both the Galentee Federation and the Caldari State. Yeah... I'd ignore this as well. Rolling Eyes

4.) BoB. With the concern among the Empires about pod-technology and the new 0.0 alliance, how is it possible that the emergence of this military behemoth has not been noted or even mentioned a single time (I checked)??

5.) The complete pandemonium that engulfed Empire the first couple weeks after CONCORD passed the new 'Alliance Laws' or whatever you want to call them. BDCI participated in wars against no less than three alliances in this period. I watched Supremacy, XETIC and FA blasting the crap out of each other in Yulai and everywhere else. Celestial Apocalypse and Stain Empire turned the corridor between Amarr and Yulai into a graveyard of broken ships. Empire was a slaughterhouse... and no one seemed to notice. Confused

6.) Vengeance of the Fallen, founder of the most military alliance in EVE (CA), has now left the CA. Holy ****! Granted, this just happened but I'd be very curious to see how it plays out.

7.) Merc corps. Do the empires care nothing about such corps as BDCI, FRICK, MF, Guiding Hand Social Club, Alcohol Fueled, Forsaken Few, etc...? Maybe CONCORD should let us take out contracts on NPC corps like Carthum or Lai Dai. Or is that where Level 5 agents come in? Twisted Evil

I could go on, because these are just some of the things that could be mentioned, but I'm sure everyone else can post up their own events that have gotten missed.

I know this was tried a while back and people got all ****ed off about how it was done. However, I would submit that so long as CCP wrote these things out from a role-play Empire perspective and not some 'independent reporter's' viewpoint that they could make it work.

Some things CCP has done has been right on the money. I have read the new 'Ruthless' chapters with rapt attention. I simply cannot wait to see what happens next. I'd just like to see some more interaction with our environment. I'd like to know that the actions of the players have some kind of meaning and purpose in helping shape the environment. Just some kind of consistency, CCP. That's all I ask for.

Thank you.

Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Posted - 2005.01.03 10:30:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Scorpyn on 03/01/2005 10:30:58
Originally by: Seleene
Between Bob and their friends in 0.0, and then FRICK scoring something like 260 kills in ten days, FU went down in flames.

Interesting, didn't know it was that bad until now.

I'm kinda surprised to not see the fall of Fade Union in the ingame news aswell.

Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.01.03 10:34:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Scorpyn
Originally by: Seleene
Between Bob and their friends in 0.0, and then FRICK scoring something like 260 kills in ten days, FU went down in flames.

Interesting, didn't know it was that bad until now.


FRICK Kill Board

The MNA Incident: 269 ships - 2,282,083,250 isk

They were at war with a corp that joined FU. It was then open season on the whole alliance. People were running out of 0.0 to get away from BoB and friends and ran right into a Sharky Feeding Frenzy. For the first few days it seemed that FU as a whole didn't even know thier new member corp had brought a war along with them... Twisted Evil

Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Posted - 2005.01.03 10:39:00 - [4]
 

I know how that war started, and I don't doubt the numbers, just didn't know them until now Wink

SiN x
Ceptacemia
Systematic-Chaos
Posted - 2005.01.03 10:41:00 - [5]
 

Hi seleene, well said. I have been wondering about the lack of reporting also.

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2005.01.03 11:03:00 - [6]
 

I'm sure they would report something if they knew what BoB stood for, I don't think it's in their best interest to present news with some dorky acronym in it.

Riddari
VIT
Posted - 2005.01.03 11:04:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Seleene
I know this was tried a while back and people got all ****ed off about how it was done. However, I would submit that so long as CCP wrote these things out from a role-play Empire perspective and not some 'independent reporter's' viewpoint that they could make it work.
It's a long time ago but wasn't it Oracle and then EVE Guardian editor Shar Tegral who fought hard against The Scope?

Oracle is now no more and Shar is... well a direct competitor to what The Scope should have been.

I vote for this hard hitting journalism to return with The Scope, or delete it from the NPC database.

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2005.01.03 11:04:00 - [8]
 

I have none direct connection to any alliance and only know of these incidents because I once in a while read posts in the Corp & Alliance forum. I'm very displeased none of them have made it to the official news.Sad

Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.01.03 11:12:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus
I'm sure they would report something if they knew what BoB stood for, I don't think it's in their best interest to present news with some dorky acronym in it.


If CCP doesn't know what BoB stands for then that's pretty sad. Also, why is it 'dorky'? "Band of Brothers" = BoB. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Then again, I'd bet a good portion of the EVE player base has no idea what CCP stands for too. Laughing

Einheriar Ulrich
Minmatar
Vengeance of the Fallen
Syndicate.
Posted - 2005.01.03 11:14:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
I'm sure they would report something if they knew what BoB stood for, I don't think it's in their best interest to present news with some dorky acronym in it.


If CCP doesn't know what BoB stands for then that's pretty sad. Also, why is it 'dorky'? "Band of Brothers" = BoB. Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Then again, I'd bet a good portion of the EVE player base has no idea what CCP stands for too. Laughing


CCP "Cant Comprehend petitions" just had so say itWink

voodoo
Evolution
Posted - 2005.01.03 11:43:00 - [11]
 

Well said Seleene


ps CCP = cake , cookies and Pie no?
oh wait wrong ccp sry


Gerome Doutrande
Posted - 2005.01.03 12:57:00 - [12]
 

i think one of the reasons why there is few "official" reports on "player made news" is that usually those reporters pretty much instantly get flamed to hell and back and accused of favoritism and the like.

CCP Eris Discordia

Posted - 2005.01.03 13:55:00 - [13]
 

Seleene as far as I know there was a frontpage article about the destruction of PA, based on an interview.

I cannot answer all your questions, but I will tug on Orestes sleeve so he can answer your questions. But what stopped you from contacting the interstellar correspondants yourself to shed some light on 1)?

Viceroy
Posted - 2005.01.03 13:59:00 - [14]
 

Well said. News should be much much more active than it currently is, and i'm not talking about the 2 week interval npc news that has nothing to do with players. Major player activity should be in the news.

Damajink
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.01.03 14:07:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Scorpyn
Originally by: Seleene
Between Bob and their friends in 0.0, and then FRICK scoring something like 260 kills in ten days, FU went down in flames.

Interesting, didn't know it was that bad until now.


FRICK Kill Board

The MNA Incident: 269 ships - 2,282,083,250 isk

They were at war with a corp that joined FU. It was then open season on the whole alliance. People were running out of 0.0 to get away from BoB and friends and ran right into a Sharky Feeding Frenzy. For the first few days it seemed that FU as a whole didn't even know thier new member corp had brought a war along with them... Twisted Evil


Including all the shuttles and newb ships on that board? Rolling Eyes

Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.01.03 14:11:00 - [16]
 


Originally by: Eris Discordia
Seleene as far as I know there was a frontpage article about the destruction of PA, based on an interview.


Eris, is this the article you are speaking of?

Inside the Alliances Part 1: The Phoenix Alliance

This article itself is proof enough of the topic. It was published on the 12th of December, two days after over 50% of the remaining PA corps left them in less than 24 hours. The article makes mention of Fade Union which was, at the time, already extinct. The various inconsistencies within the article itself have nothing to do even with the opinions of the interviewer or the people being interviewed. The inconsistencies are due to the fact that the majority of the content in the article does not reflect the reality of the in-game world.

If we use the above article as a template for what to expect, I would fully expect to see the next 'Inside the Alliances' profile to be of Fade Union or an interview with Xirtam (now gone from CA) extolling the unity and strength of the Curse Alliance.

Originally by: Eris Discordia
I cannot answer all your questions, but I will tug on Orestes sleeve so he can answer your questions. But what stopped you from contacting the interstellar correspondents yourself to shed some light on 1)?


No, I did not contact the 'Interstellar Correspondents'. I did, however, start a thread on the Corp forums that generated several thousand views and over a hundred replies. The content of that post was along the lines of, "I bet CCP doesn't print a word about over half the corps leaving the PA in one day." Almost a month later, it seems I was correct.

Eris, I know you're not the answer person, but I would greatly appreciate any help you can provide on this. It may seem like a small thing, and while I'm not quite the forum ***** Joshua is, I do read these forums enough to know that the lack of updated fictional content in the game after over a year and a half of play gets mentioned quite often.

Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.01.03 14:17:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Damajink
Originally by: Seleene
Between Bob and their friends in 0.0, and then FRICK scoring something like 260 kills in ten days, FU went down in flames.


Including all the shuttles and newb ships on that board? Rolling Eyes


Please start a new thread if you want to debate the facts of FU's demise. This thread is about the lack of in-game news coverage.

flummox
Posted - 2005.01.03 14:17:00 - [18]
 

all i can say would be to write it up for them. offer solutions, not just present the problems.

good day!

Damajink
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2005.01.03 14:18:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Seleene
Originally by: Damajink
Originally by: Seleene
Between Bob and their friends in 0.0, and then FRICK scoring something like 260 kills in ten days, FU went down in flames.


Including all the shuttles and newb ships on that board? Rolling Eyes


Please start a new thread if you want to debate the facts of FU's demise. This thread is about the lack of in-game news coverage.


You brought it up Wink

Orestes


ISD Interstellar Correspondents
Posted - 2005.01.03 14:22:00 - [20]
 

Hi Seleene,

Since I am primarily responsible for the IC news columns, I will try to shed some light on your concerns.

It's true that there have been too little player news reporting coming from our end. This is entirely my fault and will be rectified as soon as possible.

We did have a news piece regarding the PA and its apparent destruction. It was a part of a larger ongoing series of articles, one per alliance. The reason why you havenít seen more of these is the holidays. Regarding BoB; weíve decided to rate them as an alliance as well, due to their impact on 0.0 space. They are a part of the set of articles.

One thing we cannot do, however, is proclaim an alliance Ďdeadí even though all the signs point towards it. I wish we could, but thatís not very likely to happen.

I will take your points to my people and discuss what we can do. If you have suggestions or if you want to speak to me privately, you are always free to email me at Orestes@polaris.eve-online.com.

Thanks for your time,

Orestes

Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2005.01.03 14:25:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Orestes
I will take your points to my people and discuss what we can do. If you have suggestions or if you want to speak to me privately, you are always free to email me at Orestes@polaris.eve-online.com.

Thanks for your time,

Orestes


Orestes, I will indeed take you up on your offer later today. I'm happy that you are not only aware of the problem but seem to appreciate the implications of it as well. Thank you very much for the reply.

Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Posted - 2005.01.03 14:30:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Scorpyn on 03/01/2005 14:31:03
Originally by: Orestes
One thing we cannot do, however, is proclaim an alliance Ďdeadí even though all the signs point towards it. I wish we could, but thatís not very likely to happen.

While that may be true for unofficial alliances or alliances that just shrink a lot, Fade Union was an official alliance that did infact dissolve shortly after changing into an official alliance.

Whether Fade Union will rise again in some form in the future remains to be seen, but for now you'll have trouble finding someone who would say that FU still exists.

How that happened on the other hand is something you'll be able to find many versions of.

Orestes


ISD Interstellar Correspondents
Posted - 2005.01.03 14:32:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Scorpyn


Whether Fade Union will rise again in some form in the future remains to be seen, but for now you'll have trouble finding someone who would say that FU still exists.

How that happened on the other hand is something you'll be able to find many versions of.


You're right. It might be too late to report on it now, though, but I'll see what we can come up with Smile.

Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Posted - 2005.01.03 14:49:00 - [24]
 

Making a regular news report about it is probably too difficult after this long time, you wouldn't make headlines about something most ppl already know unless there is some new hot info on the subject. Interviewing some ppl might be the way to go - taking more of a "researching journalist" approach to it.

Not that interviewing ppl is easy either - difficult to know who to interview and what questions to ask not to make the article too long, too short or too wrong.

I hope you'll be able to make something out of it though Smile

Beringe
Caldari
Mercurialis Inc.
Posted - 2005.01.03 14:52:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Gerome Doutrande
i think one of the reasons why there is few "official" reports on "player made news" is that usually those reporters pretty much instantly get flamed to hell and back and accused of favoritism and the like.


Yeah, I remember that well.

In fact, all the news pieces I wrote back when I was an IC that said anything important about any sort of an alliance or corporation was pretty much flamed in one form or another. I even got hate mail sometimes.

I don't blame CCP for being a little skittish when it comes to player news.

Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2005.01.03 15:00:00 - [26]
 

I agree totally Seleene. The last month or two has I feel been one of the more dramatic periods in Eve history. Not only has the north seen major political changes, it looks like the south is also on the verge of a time of serious upheaval. Having this news reported officially not only gives the people involved a sense of achievement, but also works wonders for potential customers browsing the site. The player-created story of Eve is fantastic, and I'm sure it would attract more subscribers if it was given greater prominence.

And now for the off-topic bit...
Originally by: Damajink
Including all the shuttles and newb ships on that board? Rolling Eyes

Damajink, your missing an important point here. The majority of those 20 or so shuttle/newb ship kills against FU led to the podding of the pilot. Given that losing a clone is often more damaging to the player than losing a ship, I see no reason why those kills should not be there. I could maybe see your point if 100% of our kills were shuttles and newb ships, but given that they only account for less than 10% I really don't see what the problem is.

Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Posted - 2005.01.03 15:23:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Julien Derida
...The majority of those 20 or so shuttle/newb ship kills against FU led to the podding of the pilot...

Yeah I noticed that the podkill ratio was a bit higher than I would have expected, considering that there was a guide on the FU forums on how to reduce the risk of getting podkilled. It seems like many ppl didn't bother learning it for various reasons (although some ppl do in fact use the "whatever a clone trip is faster" approach to it, depending on where they are heading of course).

Julien Derida
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2005.01.03 15:36:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Scorpyn

Yeah I noticed that the podkill ratio was a bit higher than I would have expected, considering that there was a guide on the FU forums on how to reduce the risk of getting podkilled. It seems like many ppl didn't bother learning it for various reasons (although some ppl do in fact use the "whatever a clone trip is faster" approach to it, depending on where they are heading of course).


I think everyone in Eve was getting podded more in the weeks after Exodus. The new scanner, combined with the shock of the removal of double-click warping meant that it was simply much easier to kill pods Wink.

Erm... how can I get this back on topic?Embarassed Maybe Orestes could report on the significant rise in clone activations around the galaxy in the last month? WinkRazz

DeerHunter GE
Amarr
Doomheim
Posted - 2005.01.03 15:44:00 - [29]
 

I assume that they are in Holidays after the release of Exodus....give em an break, nerfing will go on soon Twisted Evil

Scorpyn
Caldari
Infinitus Odium
Posted - 2005.01.03 15:45:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Julien Derida
I think everyone in Eve was getting podded more in the weeks after Exodus. The new scanner, combined with the shock of the removal of double-click warping meant that it was simply much easier to kill pods Wink.

I'm glad I didn't do any pvp right after the launch, or I'd definitely have gotten my egg squished at least once Wink

The guide in question is adapted for EXODUS, although I admit that it took a couple of days.
Originally by: Julien Derida

Erm... how can I get this back on topic?Embarassed Maybe Orestes could report on the significant rise in clone activations around the galaxy in the last month? WinkRazz

And the increased number of lost ships to lvl 4 missions and complexes perhaps?


Pages: [1] 2

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only