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Brennivargur
Posted - 2010.10.01 23:37:00 - [1]
 

... and holy **** its fast. Shocked
Can't believe HDD's are still the standard...

G.Skill Phoenix Pro 120GB SATA II
285MB/s read
275MB/s write

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.01 23:43:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Brennivargur
... and holy **** its fast. Shocked
Can't believe HDD's are still the standard...

G.Skill Phoenix Pro 120GB SATA II
285MB/s read
275MB/s write


congrats!Very Happy

It's just a matter of time before HDD go the way of picture tube video monitors.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2010.10.01 23:45:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch
It's just a matter of time before HDD go the way of picture tube video monitors.


that will only happen when you have 1 or even 2 TB SSD that go for the same prices as HDD that is.

Rylie Gayle
Posted - 2010.10.01 23:51:00 - [4]
 

Honestly when I was younger I probably would've agreed but as I age I really don't mind waiting a millisecond or 5 more.

If something is cheaper and not bad I find it more efficient for the money.

Cost efficiency > convenience. Now I find my time valuable, and approximate probably 45$ worth of my time put into viewing the forums over the past little bit that I have. But I won't get so far as to break it down into the millisecond threshold.

defiler
Mad Hermit
Wayward Alliance
Posted - 2010.10.01 23:53:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch
It's just a matter of time before HDD go the way of picture tube video monitors.
You mean into my flat, for bargain prices? Great! While I don't really need more CRTs a few more HDDs wouldn't hurt. Very Happy

Cat o'Ninetails
Caldari
Rancer Defence League
Posted - 2010.10.02 00:06:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Brennivargur
I just got a SSD


Condolences. There are treatments available. Be strong.

x

Cpt Placeholder
Posted - 2010.10.02 00:19:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Brennivargur
Can't believe HDD's are still the standard...

You'll believe it once you have accumulated few million write/delete cycles.

Brennivargur
Posted - 2010.10.02 00:35:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Cpt Placeholder
Originally by: Brennivargur
Can't believe HDD's are still the standard...

You'll believe it once you have accumulated few million write/delete cycles.


I hope not Very Happy

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.02 02:34:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
Originally by: Brennivargur
I just got a SSD


Condolences. There are treatments available. Be strong.

x


He said SSD, not STD. Very Happy

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.10.02 07:15:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Rylie Gayle
Honestly when I was younger I probably would've agreed but as I age I really don't mind waiting a millisecond or 5 more.

If something is cheaper and not bad I find it more efficient for the money.

Cost efficiency > convenience. Now I find my time valuable, and approximate probably 45$ worth of my time put into viewing the forums over the past little bit that I have. But I won't get so far as to break it down into the millisecond threshold.


It's not "a millisecond or 5".

Cold boot in 5 to 10 seconds.
Starting any app in milliseconds instead of seconds.

It's something you get used to with an SSD and something you'll miss when it's gone...

On the other hand, people do keep having the wrong idea. SSD's won't replace normal HD's, at least not for a very long time. However, most people still seem to be stuck on the idea that "there can be only 1 hard disk in a computer". The genious of an SSD is that you can have the stuff that matters (windows or any other OS and most small apps) on the SSD and have a normal disk for storage and games. You don't need more than ~64gb for a windows installation partition, i imagine it's even less for other OS'. Ultimately it's worth the price, simply for the convenience it offers. Over a month or so you'll probably "earn back" the $ per hour equivalent to how much an SSD cost by how much time you save - All the little bits add up.

Florio
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
Posted - 2010.10.02 07:32:00 - [11]
 

came here expecting crabs and lesions. left disappointed.

Jago Kain
Amarr
Ramm's RDI
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2010.10.02 08:37:00 - [12]
 

OK, so Brenn got an SSD and he's just itching to tell everyone.

Have you no sense of shame?



AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2010.10.02 10:37:00 - [13]
 

Aye,

They are nice - looking to get one when I upgrade my PC next year and get rid of my loud, hot and noisy 'raptor.

Did you keep/buy a storage drive also? And are you using Windows 7?

AK

Elysarian
Minmatar
Elysarian Corp
Posted - 2010.10.02 10:59:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Brennivargur
... and holy **** its fast. Shocked
Can't believe HDD's are still the standard...

G.Skill Phoenix Pro 120GB SATA II
285MB/s read
275MB/s write


HDD are still the standard because:

OCZ 1TB SSD = 2,326.25
Western Digital 1TB AV-spec HDD = 54.80

so I could get 42 of the WD HDD's for the cost of one SSD?

TBQH I have no boot time issues and only boot/shut down once a day at the most, my machine takes about 30 seconds to get to desktop including the 10 second POST.

Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
Posted - 2010.10.02 11:02:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Brennivargur
Originally by: Cpt Placeholder
Originally by: Brennivargur
Can't believe HDD's are still the standard...

You'll believe it once you have accumulated few million write/delete cycles.


I hope not Very Happy


This is rather unfortunately the reality and current problem with SSD drives. They simply don't have the lifetime of a platter HDD. As Cpt Placeholder says, after a few million times writing and deleting data to your SSD transistors (I think) will start burning out.There's nothing you can do about this, it's simply the way that SSD's work given current technology.

Dan Grobag
Caldari
Grobag's Family
Posted - 2010.10.02 11:16:00 - [16]
 

You could upgrade to the fastest processor around, you wouldn't get the performance boost of a 100 SSD.

Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.10.02 11:18:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 02/10/2010 11:20:09
SLC chips (very expensive, only used in Enterprise level SSDs) can take a few million read-write cycles.

MLC chips (those used in consumer SSDs) can handle only a few thousand (~10k I believe) read-write cycles.

Wear-levelling is the one thing that'll be keeping an SSD functional over longer periods of time, along with trim commands to reduce the number of cycles needed to properly delete data.
The estimated lifespan of a consumer SSD before wear starts kicking in is about 5 years, more than enough for most consumer PCs, so it's not an issue. But it is the one big weakness for SSDs compared to a traditional platter based HDD.

AlleyKat
Gallente
The Unwanted.
Posted - 2010.10.02 11:38:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Elysarian

HDD are still the standard because:

OCZ 1TB SSD = 2,326.25
Western Digital 1TB AV-spec HDD = 54.80

so I could get 42 of the WD HDD's for the cost of one SSD?

TBQH I have no boot time issues and only boot/shut down once a day at the most, my machine takes about 30 seconds to get to desktop including the 10 second POST.


Surely those two products cater for two completely different users?

An SSD on a 1 TB drive can only be for moving vast amounts of data in the fastest way possible, probably server or networked media environment, cloud, virtual environment. Whereas the other would be a simple storage drive, which to be honest, is what we, you and I would use it for. But for Operating systems, applications and games, we wouldn't need a 1 TB drive and this is where SSD comes in and literally wipes the floor with traditional HDD design.

What you really should be doing is comparing the fastest all-singing and dancing 128GB HDD, with the slowest, grade school IQ SSD - and then we can compare the two.

AK

Yesh
Unjustified Ancients of MuMu
Posted - 2010.10.02 14:00:00 - [19]
 

Awesome. I just got an STD and accused my girlfriend and got dumped. Not bad for two text messages.


Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2010.10.02 16:02:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: AlleyKat
Originally by: Elysarian

HDD are still the standard because:

OCZ 1TB SSD = 2,326.25
Western Digital 1TB AV-spec HDD = 54.80

so I could get 42 of the WD HDD's for the cost of one SSD?

TBQH I have no boot time issues and only boot/shut down once a day at the most, my machine takes about 30 seconds to get to desktop including the 10 second POST.


Surely those two products cater for two completely different users?

An SSD on a 1 TB drive can only be for moving vast amounts of data in the fastest way possible, probably server or networked media environment, cloud, virtual environment. Whereas the other would be a simple storage drive, which to be honest, is what we, you and I would use it for. But for Operating systems, applications and games, we wouldn't need a 1 TB drive and this is where SSD comes in and literally wipes the floor with traditional HDD design.

What you really should be doing is comparing the fastest all-singing and dancing 128GB HDD, with the slowest, grade school IQ SSD - and then we can compare the two.

AK


the point in his post wasn't how SSD compares to HDD in terms of data and all that.

the point in his post is SSD's won't replace HDD's anytime soon because of price.

ok yes you can get one and install the OS and other software in it for extra speed and performance, but in terms of storage and, as stated above, reliability, HDD's are still far ahead.

I still won't deny that SSD is the future, but they will only become viable when they totally replace the good ol' HDD in terms of price/GB, and that's still very far away.

Sitara
Minmatar
Solar Flare Trade and Production
Posted - 2010.10.02 23:36:00 - [21]
 

Just did the SSD thing myself.

One word: awesome.

That is all

Brennivargur
Posted - 2010.10.02 23:46:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: AlleyKat
Aye,

They are nice - looking to get one when I upgrade my PC next year and get rid of my loud, hot and noisy 'raptor.

Did you keep/buy a storage drive also? And are you using Windows 7?

AK

I kept my 500gb samsung spinpoint, but that's pretty much useless now, since all my music/movies/games/photos/everything else, is stored on my server, which ofc is on my gigabit network :) And yes, using windows 7 + fedora 13.

justin666
Posted - 2010.10.02 23:48:00 - [23]
 

im still debating weather to save up a bit more cash when i order my new pc because at its current PLANNED price its going to have a 600gb velociraptor sata3 as the main C drive..... i mean how much faster would a decent ssd be for me?

if anyone has been able to witness the diffence please let me know thanks other than that awesome upgrade :) and lolz to the girlfriend post aboveVery Happy

Brennivargur
Posted - 2010.10.02 23:49:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Sitara
Just did the SSD thing myself.

One word: awesome.

That is all


Very true :D
cold boot + login + starting all programs = 18 seconds
Laughing

Brennivargur
Posted - 2010.10.02 23:53:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: justin666
im still debating weather to save up a bit more cash when i order my new pc because at its current PLANNED price its going to have a 600gb velociraptor sata3 as the main C drive..... i mean how much faster would a decent ssd be for me?

if anyone has been able to witness the diffence please let me know thanks other than that awesome upgrade :) and lolz to the girlfriend post aboveVery Happy


ohgod no, the SSD is worth it, absolutely.
its not only the ludicrous speed you get, but also the silence, and power usage :D
'*turn on computer* ... is this thing even on? *looks at computer*, oh theres the login screen...Shocked

Brennivargur
Posted - 2010.10.02 23:58:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Brennivargur on 02/10/2010 23:59:16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCrUkvezoEY all shortucts in the startmenu executed at once :)

Sitara
Minmatar
Solar Flare Trade and Production
Posted - 2010.10.03 00:04:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Brennivargur
ohgod no, the SSD is worth it, absolutely.


this

DarthJosh
DEATHFUNK
Posted - 2010.10.03 01:53:00 - [28]
 

one does **** all.

you need to get 4 and put them in raid, to really get the new age experience.

one of them just function as a faster HD. it's pitiful even.

alittlebirdy
Posted - 2010.10.03 05:47:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: justin666
im still debating weather to save up a bit more cash when i order my new pc because at its current PLANNED price its going to have a 600gb velociraptor sata3 as the main C drive..... i mean how much faster would a decent ssd be for me?

if anyone has been able to witness the diffence please let me know thanks other than that awesome upgrade :) and lolz to the girlfriend post aboveVery Happy


2-3times faster, VR's are pretty worthless nowadays even compared to a normal HDD...

SSD's are nice, not worth it though if you have enough system memory. Sure OS loads faster but...

Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
Posted - 2010.10.03 08:11:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: justin666
im still debating weather to save up a bit more cash when i order my new pc because at its current PLANNED price its going to have a 600gb velociraptor sata3 as the main C drive..... i mean how much faster would a decent ssd be for me?

if anyone has been able to witness the diffence please let me know thanks other than that awesome upgrade :) and lolz to the girlfriend post aboveVery Happy


Cold start to desktop in ~12-15 seconds with Windows 7 64-bit.
also in pure linear reads your Velociraptor will be faster, it's random reads where SSDs get their real speed boost.


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