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Alexas Kateiwa
Caldari
Aikoku Inc.
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2010.09.21 12:36:00 - [451]
 

WTF CCP?!

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.09.21 12:39:00 - [452]
 

Originally by: Le glagla
Real Money for Game advantage...NO!


I'm not saying PLEX for Remap is a good idea, personally, I don't care one way or the other. However, this already exists, more so with being able to get isk from PLEX. I fail to understand how 90% of the sheep posting here can argue that PLEX for isk is fine, where as PLEX for remap is not. Sure, it does open a can of worms and brings PLEX for SP closer, but I fail to understand how someone being slightly more versatile with their training (It's just a remap, they don't train faster than you, nor do they get SP) is somehow completely broken when I can pay $15 to get two fitted and rigged HACs instead.

Pataurel
Posted - 2010.09.21 12:40:00 - [453]
 

WTF CCP ?

Unknown One
Posted - 2010.09.21 12:41:00 - [454]
 

WTF CCP ?

Cpt WilliamKidd
Minmatar
WEPRA CORP
White Noise.
Posted - 2010.09.21 12:43:00 - [455]
 

WTF CCP???

Noun Verber
Gallente
Posted - 2010.09.21 12:44:00 - [456]
 

RMT is bad, even when used legitimately

Svenne009
Heroes.
Merciless.
Posted - 2010.09.21 12:47:00 - [457]
 

Imo not a good idea -> NO

HunterHH
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.09.21 12:50:00 - [458]
 

WTF CCP?
seriously.

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.09.21 12:52:00 - [459]
 

Originally by: Noun Verber
RMT is bad, even when used legitimately


Maybe you should find out what RMT actually is, before jumping on da bandwagon bro.

Lookimse
Posted - 2010.09.21 12:56:00 - [460]
 

WTF CCP Shocked

Dreaming Tramp
Posted - 2010.09.21 12:58:00 - [461]
 

WTF CCP ?

lasterax
Minmatar
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.09.21 13:00:00 - [462]
 

Wow, crazy.

Michela
Bosun Shipyards
Posted - 2010.09.21 13:01:00 - [463]
 

Originally by: Suitonia
I'm not saying PLEX for Remap is a good idea, personally, I don't care one way or the other. However, this already exists, more so with being able to get isk from PLEX. I fail to understand how 90% of the sheep posting here can argue that PLEX for isk is fine, where as PLEX for remap is not.


I'm with you here. I don't see how this would be worth quitting over. Or, how it's the worst feature ever.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.09.21 13:01:00 - [464]
 

Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Le glagla
Real Money for Game advantage...NO!


I'm not saying PLEX for Remap is a good idea, personally, I don't care one way or the other. However, this already exists, more so with being able to get isk from PLEX. I fail to understand how 90% of the sheep posting here can argue that PLEX for isk is fine, where as PLEX for remap is not. Sure, it does open a can of worms and brings PLEX for SP closer, but I fail to understand how someone being slightly more versatile with their training (It's just a remap, they don't train faster than you, nor do they get SP) is somehow completely broken when I can pay $15 to get two fitted and rigged HACs instead.


The HACs are evanescent; the SP are here to stay.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.09.21 13:03:00 - [465]
 

So is a 50M SP char you buy.

Dracxus Ti
Posted - 2010.09.21 13:07:00 - [466]
 

now eve come like all the other online games out there, if you have cash you will be better,wonder how many players eve will loose if ccp dose go ahead, regardless of its players. i know il be one of them.

WTF CCP
DONT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.09.21 13:08:00 - [467]
 

Except, it doesn't "create" SP, it only means someone can have SP in a different category of skills than their previous attributes would allow.

max rosanski
Posted - 2010.09.21 13:10:00 - [468]
 

WTF CCP??

NATBECKETT
Caldari
Posted - 2010.09.21 13:12:00 - [469]
 

What a joke ccp

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.09.21 13:15:00 - [470]
 

Edited by: Suitonia on 21/09/2010 13:16:19
Originally by: Dracxus Ti
now eve come like all the other online games out there, if you have cash you will be better,wonder how many players eve will loose if ccp dose go ahead, regardless of its players. i know il be one of them.

WTF CCP
DONT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


*GTCs a Faction battleship with HG implants and officer modules*
perfectly fine, no advantage there
*remaps so I can train a different category of skills at the rate I'm currently training a category of skills*
OMG CCP INGAME ADVANTAGE FROM RL CASH IM QUITTING OVER THIS ****.


(Even though you can buy PLEX with ingame isk)

Emrys Ap'Morgravaine
Caldari
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.09.21 13:21:00 - [471]
 

Micro-transactions are bad m'kay?

Jana Tanaka
Caldari
Tanaka Industries Inc.

Posted - 2010.09.21 13:23:00 - [472]
 

Edited by: Jana Tanaka on 21/09/2010 13:29:30


No to $4SP.


If you buy GTC and sell them for ISK you
buy a character from ANOTHER PLAYER
buy ships from ANOTHER PLAYER
in some way benefit the economy and thus OTHER PLAYERS.

If you buy GTC, convert them to Remaps via PLESK you
buy SP from CCP.


Oh and... CSM ?
Stakeholder ?
CCP ?!

Cyxopyc
Navy of Xoc
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2010.09.21 13:24:00 - [473]
 

Edited by: Cyxopyc on 21/09/2010 13:27:34
It boils down to this.

If you are against using a PLEX to remap skills you are against anything bought and sold for isk that allows the increase of a players skill point gains or skill point total. This includes attribute implants and characters sold for isk since both allow a player to increase their skill point gain or skill point total for isk. And you can of course get isk by selling PLEXes.

I believe a better solution to this would be the completion of a quest to give you an extra attribute remap. Design it however you want. Use your imagination. If you want involve a tradeable item giving isk some part in the remapping (which would more discretely involve PLEXes).



P.S.
CCP - We need less new content and more improvement of the game we have. (new client?)


guska Cryotank
Gallente
Void Angels
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2010.09.21 13:31:00 - [474]
 

/signed, seriously, signed signed signed signed.

WTF CCP?

Uriel Winston
Posted - 2010.09.21 13:38:00 - [475]
 

Originally by: Suitonia
Originally by: Le glagla
Real Money for Game advantage...NO!


I'm not saying PLEX for Remap is a good idea, personally, I don't care one way or the other. However, this already exists, more so with being able to get isk from PLEX. I fail to understand how 90% of the sheep posting here can argue that PLEX for isk is fine, where as PLEX for remap is not. Sure, it does open a can of worms and brings PLEX for SP closer, but I fail to understand how someone being slightly more versatile with their training (It's just a remap, they don't train faster than you, nor do they get SP) is somehow completely broken when I can pay $15 to get two fitted and rigged HACs instead.


You are Wrong, Remap allows you to train faster.

lets say i want to train for t2 large guns i remap all my attribute points in perc/willpower and i got 15-20d less to train for. (remap no 1)
then after thats done, my science skills (for some werid reason) are low and i want them up asap remap all to inteligence/memory (remap no 2)

now i can do that every time i want with just 350m isk/15$ that means that i dont have to wait 1 year with maxxed inteligence/memory skills in my character (that means low perception/willpower/charisma = less training in their spec) therefore if we allow more than 2 remaps we boost any time we want any attribute we want with a small fee our skill training.


Ms Rabbit
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.09.21 13:40:00 - [476]
 

WTF CCP?
seriously.

Silen Boon
Posted - 2010.09.21 13:41:00 - [477]
 

WTF CCP?

Eve doesn't need even more real money trading for in game advancement.

Transen Paule
Die Gummibaerenbande
Posted - 2010.09.21 13:47:00 - [478]
 

I don't like this

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.09.21 13:51:00 - [479]
 

Originally by: Uriel Winston

You are Wrong, Remap allows you to train faster.

lets say i want to train for t2 large guns i remap all my attribute points in perc/willpower and i got 15-20d less to train for. (remap no 1)
then after thats done, my science skills (for some werid reason) are low and i want them up asap remap all to inteligence/memory (remap no 2)

now i can do that every time i want with just 350m isk/15$ that means that i dont have to wait 1 year with maxxed inteligence/memory skills in my character (that means low perception/willpower/charisma = less training in their spec) therefore if we allow more than 2 remaps we boost any time we want any attribute we want with a small fee our skill training.




It doesn't allow you to train faster, it allows you to train at the same rate as you normally would, but for a different category of skills. You also have incredibly bad planning if you have int/mem, train a gunnery skill, then spec back to int/mem to train Science skills.

I'm not saying it isn't an advantage to be more flexible with your skillplan, I'm saying it doesn't mean someone can train faster than me at all, which is true, despite hordes of bandwagoning going on saying that it adds SP to the game, or increases your training speed, which is very misleading.


Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.09.21 13:54:00 - [480]
 

Originally by: Uriel Winston

You are Wrong, Remap allows you to train faster.

lets say i want to train for t2 large guns i remap all my attribute points in perc/willpower and i got 15-20d less to train for. (remap no 1)
then after thats done, my science skills (for some werid reason) are low and i want them up asap remap all to inteligence/memory (remap no 2)

now i can do that every time i want with just 350m isk/15$ that means that i dont have to wait 1 year with maxxed inteligence/memory skills in my character (that means low perception/willpower/charisma = less training in their spec) therefore if we allow more than 2 remaps we boost any time we want any attribute we want with a small fee our skill training.




It doesn't allow you to train faster, it allows you to train at the same rate as you normally would, but for a different category of skills. You also have incredibly bad planning if you have int/mem, train a gunnery skill, then spec back to int/mem to train Science skills.

I'm not saying it isn't an advantage to be more flexible with your skillplan, I'm saying it doesn't mean someone can train faster than me at all, which is true, despite hordes of bandwagoning going on saying that it adds SP to the game, or increases your training speed, which is very misleading.



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