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Pallas Minervo
Posted - 2010.09.19 07:36:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
hi cat here

while pirates have some kind of moral code they are 'pposed to adhere to can you really trust a pirate? he got that -10 security status by podding newbs and innocent travelleers remember

i would never pay a ransom even if my defencemobile is warp scramblered lol

pirate offers you a ransom, you pay...
scenario 1: you pay, he kills you anyway
scenario 2: you pay, he lets you go, you are out of pocket
scenario 3: you don't pay, he kills you anyway

in each situation you are going to lose anyway lol

i think it is important to note that i dont think pirates have souls or a conscience lol

x

what an ignorant series of statements. Your word vomit is an abortion of any logical thought.

Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.09.19 07:44:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Pallas Minervo
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
hi cat here

while pirates have some kind of moral code they are 'pposed to adhere to can you really trust a pirate? he got that -10 security status by podding newbs and innocent travelleers remember

i would never pay a ransom even if my defencemobile is warp scramblered lol

pirate offers you a ransom, you pay...
scenario 1: you pay, he kills you anyway
scenario 2: you pay, he lets you go, you are out of pocket
scenario 3: you don't pay, he kills you anyway

in each situation you are going to lose anyway lol

i think it is important to note that i dont think pirates have souls or a conscience lol

x

what an ignorant series of statements. Your word vomit is an abortion of any logical thought.
u mad noone pays the ransom anymoar mate? Smile

Pallas Minervo
Posted - 2010.09.19 07:49:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor
Originally by: Pallas Minervo
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
hi cat here

while pirates have some kind of moral code they are 'pposed to adhere to can you really trust a pirate? he got that -10 security status by podding newbs and innocent travelleers remember

i would never pay a ransom even if my defencemobile is warp scramblered lol

pirate offers you a ransom, you pay...
scenario 1: you pay, he kills you anyway
scenario 2: you pay, he lets you go, you are out of pocket
scenario 3: you don't pay, he kills you anyway

in each situation you are going to lose anyway lol

i think it is important to note that i dont think pirates have souls or a conscience lol

x

what an ignorant series of statements. Your word vomit is an abortion of any logical thought.
u mad noone pays the ransom anymoar mate? Smile

look at me look at me I want your attention look at me!

Zeba ForumWhoor
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.09.19 07:51:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Pallas Minervo
Originally by: Zeba ForumWhoor
Originally by: Pallas Minervo
Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
hi cat here

while pirates have some kind of moral code they are 'pposed to adhere to can you really trust a pirate? he got that -10 security status by podding newbs and innocent travelleers remember

i would never pay a ransom even if my defencemobile is warp scramblered lol

pirate offers you a ransom, you pay...
scenario 1: you pay, he kills you anyway
scenario 2: you pay, he lets you go, you are out of pocket
scenario 3: you don't pay, he kills you anyway

in each situation you are going to lose anyway lol

i think it is important to note that i dont think pirates have souls or a conscience lol

x

what an ignorant series of statements. Your word vomit is an abortion of any logical thought.
u mad noone pays the ransom anymoar mate? Smile

look at me look at me I want your attention look at me!
Which is why they don't pay the ransom anymoar. Laughing

Berzerkergang
Caldari
Heretic Academy
Posted - 2010.09.19 08:08:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Berzerkergang on 19/09/2010 08:08:27
Originally by: Sophal
Srs question.

Just curious on the statistics for people who pay or refuse to pay ransom. For those that do pay, do you generally get away, or are you screwed out of your ship and money most of the time?


The ransom be somethin' ye ortin' ta consider when ye be havin' isk, but nay enough t' buy th' same ship includin' fittin', but can pay th' ransom. An honourable gentleman o' fortune will keep true t' his word.

Translation:
The ransom is something you should consider when you have isk, but not enough to buy the same ship including fitting, but can pay the ransom. An honourable pirate will keep true to his word.

Bluefix
Gnu Terror Corps
Posted - 2010.09.19 08:58:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Bluefix on 19/09/2010 09:15:14
I have only been in the situation 2 times, but I payed and was let go.

The price should always reflect the chance that the pirate dishonours the agreement, but in general I trust the word of a pirate more than the average Eve gamer. When I say 'trust', I of course mean that I trust a pirate to act like a pirate, but not a scammer.

People who wont pay ransoms at all amuses me. I dont know if it's stubbornness, pride or ignorance (probably a combination) but a ransom is designed to be mutually advantageous and I would be a poor businessman to ignore such proposals.

Edit: I will also offer to pay more, if I'm allowed to pay some of the ransom after release. However I understand this agreement is unlikely, for the reason mentioned earlier: pirates tend to be more honorable than the average player (many people dont pay once released)

Lemmy Kravitz
Minmatar
Rebirth.
Posted - 2010.09.19 09:22:00 - [67]
 

idk never been in that situation, never been asked

000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
Posted - 2010.09.19 10:53:00 - [68]
 

Flew an itty into a low sec to do a pickup, now i had this odd feeling it wasn't a good idea, so i took an as cheap as possible ship and indeed it was blown up in seconds of entering... no ransom no nothing... totally pointless act impo... the hauler was worth like half a mill or so (not even counting the inurance)

Had they contacted me and asked for a... fee... i would have gladly paid a few mill for not beeing bothered, cuz now i had to fly a few jumps in my pod to get another ship.

They got nothing, i was annoyed... it was not a good businessdeal Laughing

Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
Posted - 2010.09.19 11:31:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Berzerkergang
Edited by: Berzerkergang on 19/09/2010 08:08:27
Originally by: Sophal
Srs question.

Just curious on the statistics for people who pay or refuse to pay ransom. For those that do pay, do you generally get away, or are you screwed out of your ship and money most of the time?


The ransom be somethin' ye ortin' ta consider when ye be havin' isk, but nay enough t' buy th' same ship includin' fittin', but can pay th' ransom. An honourable gentleman o' fortune will keep true t' his word.


Avast me hearty! Thar be an old seadog an' no mistakin'

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2010.09.19 11:37:00 - [70]
 

I have never been asked for a ransom, every fight was to the death. And every fight will continue to be to the death, because I will never pay a ransom.

Kirzath
Genos Occidere
Posted - 2010.09.19 12:05:00 - [71]
 

If you're being ransomed by a reputable corporation with some semblance of a code of honor (ie, most good PvP corps that you've actually heard of before), then pay it if it's less than the cost of replacing your ship/pod. Otherwise don't bother.

My only experience with ransoms was in Curse a while back. Had a run-in with the temporarily reformed IAC. They blew up my ship :(

I then realized I was in my empire full +4 clone so I quickly asked in local if they'd let me go if I paid a ransom. An agreement was made, I paid, I got out fine with my expensive clone. Cool

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.09.19 12:11:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Bluefix
Edited by: Bluefix on 19/09/2010 09:15:14
I have only been in the situation 2 times, but I payed and was let go.

The price should always reflect the chance that the pirate dishonours the agreement, but in general I trust the word of a pirate more than the average Eve gamer. When I say 'trust', I of course mean that I trust a pirate to act like a pirate, but not a scammer.

People who wont pay ransoms at all amuses me. I dont know if it's stubbornness, pride or ignorance (probably a combination) but a ransom is designed to be mutually advantageous and I would be a poor businessman to ignore such proposals.

Edit: I will also offer to pay more, if I'm allowed to pay some of the ransom after release. However I understand this agreement is unlikely, for the reason mentioned earlier: pirates tend to be more honorable than the average player (many people dont pay once released)


Pirates more honorable than average player? Lulz.

And the reason why people dont pay is neither of the ones you mention, the reason is common sense. Mainly because losing your ship + paying ransom is more expensive than just losing your ship. Second because of the entire no negotiations with terrorists, why would you finance the next ship of the pirate he can use to blow you up.

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2010.09.19 12:14:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 19/09/2010 12:14:56
I honor ransoms, but no one every pays them so I don't bother asking.



Ransom can actually be a good thing. If it is a fair amount less then losing the cost of the ship + Rigs with platinum insurance, the person being pirated can save both ISK and time by doing so. But until CCP includes a "Ransom Button" that forces the honoring of such ransoms, it is simply not worth putting your trust in the children that play this game.


So to answer your question: No one pays them, because they learned a while back that no one honors them.

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2010.09.19 12:49:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
So to answer your question: No one pays them, because they learned a while back that no one honors them.


I think most of the rest of this thread proves you wrong. Wink

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2010.09.19 13:36:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 19/09/2010 13:36:32
Originally by: Abdiel Kavash
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
So to answer your question: No one pays them, because they learned a while back that no one honors them.


I think most of the rest of this thread proves you wrong. Wink



Have fun paying them then, you may get lucky once, maybe twice. Enjoy.

Tathyn
Minmatar
ADS Corp
Posted - 2010.09.19 13:44:00 - [76]
 

I've only been ransomed once, they had destroyed my mining frigate (with about 123 kernite lol) and demanded 100mil not to pod me. I laughed and answered (honestly) that I had less than 1mil ISK so please blast away. After some posturing and banter they let me go. I had actually gotten up and left the computer, expecting to come back in hi-sec so was a wee confused to find myself still drifting free.

I don't know if they figured out I actually was a clueless noob (had only been playing about three days) or what the deal was but I got away and haven't been back to low-sec since.

Hyveres
Caldari
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.09.19 14:09:00 - [77]
 

Depends , I will always look at it from a cost/benefit perspective and the risk of actual survival if I pay.

Last time I paid ransom it was a 10m isk for a pod(which the interceptor pilot had no way to know if it carried implants). And I accepted.

Paying ransom for ships are generally pointless as I wouldnt trust anyone to not get a killmail.

Major Galdari
Invicta.
Posted - 2010.09.19 16:22:00 - [78]
 

It also depends on who is ransoming you. Most unknown people in unknown corps would probably just kill you after you pay, where corps with reputation would let you go to keep the reputation.

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2010.09.19 16:33:00 - [79]
 

To those that pay..see yourself as lucky if you got away.

Fact is that its always a risk you get killed anyway.So not only do you lose the ship,the implants and a load of isk.Never will that happen to me.

I used to fly a faction fit bling bling ship..but in time as I did all those 30 day skills I noticed I no longer need that.My kronos is fit completely t2,and its payed for itself 10 times by now.The implants in my pod(+4)I have a whole hanger full of them.


So if someone gets close enough to ransom me..I already see it as a loss.Dont be stupid and let them in your wallet too.There might be pirates with a so called honor,but thats a minority.Being a pirate means you lack honor already in my opinion.It means you are willing to take the easy rout at the expense of others..not much honor in that.

So never pay ransom..and work on getting that t2 fit mission ship and your safe.That much for high sec.

For low sec..dont even take anything in there you arent ready to lose.Fact!!

Mitsune Konno
Posted - 2010.09.19 17:27:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: HeIIfire11
To those that pay..see yourself as lucky if you got away.

Fact is that its always a risk you get killed anyway.So not only do you lose the ship,the implants and a load of isk.Never will that happen to me.

I used to fly a faction fit bling bling ship..but in time as I did all those 30 day skills I noticed I no longer need that.My kronos is fit completely t2,and its payed for itself 10 times by now.The implants in my pod(+4)I have a whole hanger full of them.


So if someone gets close enough to ransom me..I already see it as a loss.Dont be stupid and let them in your wallet too.There might be pirates with a so called honor,but thats a minority.Being a pirate means you lack honor already in my opinion.It means you are willing to take the easy rout at the expense of others..not much honor in that.

So never pay ransom..and work on getting that t2 fit mission ship and your safe.That much for high sec.

For low sec..dont even take anything in there you arent ready to lose.Fact!!

just because you came across a dishonest pirate, doesn't mean they're all dishonest.

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2010.09.19 17:46:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Mitsune Konno

just because you came across a dishonest pirate, doesn't mean they're all dishonest.


Yeah right..you will never find a single pirate that has me on his list.Nice try though..and this is a 3 year old toon.

I even gave this one credit for his honesty.Still..my opinion remains the same.

Originally by: HeIIfire11

One of my corp mates (a newer player) got ransomed in a mission..offered to pay 20 million and was let go.The ship in question was a faction fit apoc navy issue.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.09.19 17:54:00 - [82]
 

Quote:
just because you came across a dishonest pirate, doesn't mean they're all dishonest.

Just because you came across someone who offered double back for everything sent to him who was dishonest doesnt mean they all are.

Mitsune Konno
Posted - 2010.09.19 18:24:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: HeIIfire11
Originally by: Mitsune Konno

just because you came across a dishonest pirate, doesn't mean they're all dishonest.


Yeah right..you will never find a single pirate that has me on his list.Nice try though..and this is a 3 year old toon.

I even gave this one credit for his honesty.Still..my opinion remains the same.

Originally by: HeIIfire11

One of my corp mates (a newer player) got ransomed in a mission..offered to pay 20 million and was let go.The ship in question was a faction fit apoc navy issue.


so you've never been ransomed, but know that all pirates are dishonest.

Templar Dane
Amarr
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2010.09.19 18:44:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
hi cat here

while pirates have some kind of moral code they are 'pposed to adhere to can you really trust a pirate? he got that -10 security status by podding newbs and innocent travelleers remember

i would never pay a ransom even if my defencemobile is warp scramblered lol

pirate offers you a ransom, you pay...
scenario 1: you pay, he kills you anyway
scenario 2: you pay, he lets you go, you are out of pocket
scenario 3: you don't pay, he kills you anyway

in each situation you are going to lose anyway lol

i think it is important to note that i dont think pirates have souls or a conscience lol

x


1: He's a douchebag that gives real pirates a bad name.
2: It's a win-win scenario. He gets some isk, you lose less than you would have.
3: That's the deal, pay up or die.

I've honored every ransom I've offered. I've had guys send me the isk too late, just after I've finished him for not paying up in time, but I've always returned the isk. With other corps in the past, I've had corpmates allude to not honoring a ransom while it's being negotiated... I've always spoken up, saying that I'd no longer fly with that/those individual/s. It's not happened in my presence, but if it did I'd make sure the offending pilot paid for it in one way or another.

I wouldn't fly with anyone whose internet-spaceship honor wasn't intact.

As an aside, I've LOVE to see insurance taken out of the picture completely. THEN ransoms would be more important, and asked/offered more often.


HeIIfire11
Posted - 2010.09.19 18:49:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Mitsune Konno
so you've never been ransomed, but know that all pirates are dishonest.


I think you are misunderstanding me.I dont think they are all dishonest.I just dont think that the risk is worth it.

After playing eve for quite some time..and reading the forums just as long,I am sure you will agree that eve doesnt have a kind hearted,helpful player base.Most of them are in it for the "tears".Then you have those in it for the isk..and thats where you take your chance.Read these forums and you will see the need for tears im talking about.And if you run into a tear loving pirate..nothing would give him more pleasure than to take your isk..and pod you anyway.The very few that are good at what they do..will make a profession out of it and let you go for isk.

So again..its not worth the risk,andf I advise players not to go in on it.A normal carebear wont have a full slave set to run missions lol..its overkill.Hell want at most his + 5 which he can replace through lp and a bit of isk that he would have given the pirate instead.

As far as low sec goes..Im going out there to fight..not worry about losing a ship or implants.I lose both the minute I undock and set course to low sec.My goal is to kill as much as I can before going down myself and have a blast doing it.So even if im going out there to mission or whatever..Im flying a cheap ghost ship.And i sure am not going to pay ransom.


Lagruna Zegata
Posted - 2010.09.19 20:04:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: HeIIfire11
They should make like a trade window..that a pirate can enter an amount of isk wanted,then press check (unable to be changed)and the player can accept which gets rid of the aggro.
Would at least be good for high sec.

For low sec..you could tie concord to that contract I guess..so that if the player pays and still gets shot,concord comes and kills em.


Intriguing idea. Sounds like it could be implemented. ~LZ

Bluefix
Gnu Terror Corps
Posted - 2010.09.19 20:27:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Bluefix on 19/09/2010 20:29:28
Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Bluefix
Edited by: Bluefix on 19/09/2010 09:15:14
I have only been in the situation 2 times, but I payed and was let go.

The price should always reflect the chance that the pirate dishonours the agreement, but in general I trust the word of a pirate more than the average Eve gamer. When I say 'trust', I of course mean that I trust a pirate to act like a pirate, but not a scammer.

People who wont pay ransoms at all amuses me. I dont know if it's stubbornness, pride or ignorance (probably a combination) but a ransom is designed to be mutually advantageous and I would be a poor businessman to ignore such proposals.

Edit: I will also offer to pay more, if I'm allowed to pay some of the ransom after release. However I understand this agreement is unlikely, for the reason mentioned earlier: pirates tend to be more honorable than the average player (many people dont pay once released)


Pirates more honorable than average player? Lulz.

And the reason why people dont pay is neither of the ones you mention, the reason is common sense. Mainly because losing your ship + paying ransom is more expensive than just losing your ship. Second because of the entire no negotiations with terrorists, why would you finance the next ship of the pirate he can use to blow you up.
Pirates are honest about what they're doing. It's not like it's an ethical greyzone.

And not paying ransom helps nobody except the people selling you new stuff. Pirates hardly make a living of ransom and denying ransom will not reduce the number of pirates at all. And of course loosing your ship and paying ransom at the same time is more expensive, but it's only something that happens once in a while and if you're loosing too much due to ransoms you're paying way too much, as the price should take the risc into account. If there was no chance they'd strike afterwards I'd pay more than double the ransom I do.

Your "common sense" is highly faulty and lacks objectivity.

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2010.09.19 21:02:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 19/09/2010 21:03:21
Originally by: Lagruna Zegata
Originally by: HeIIfire11
They should make like a trade window..that a pirate can enter an amount of isk wanted,then press check (unable to be changed)and the player can accept which gets rid of the aggro.
Would at least be good for high sec.

For low sec..you could tie concord to that contract I guess..so that if the player pays and still gets shot,concord comes and kills em.


Intriguing idea. Sounds like it could be implemented. ~LZ


Yeah I was thinking like..right click player-ransom-window pops up and you enter your amount.All the victem has to do is press accept.Then I would even think fast and if its worth it..pay.

Originally by: Bluefix
Pirates are honest about what they're doing. It's not like it's an ethical greyzone.


Looks like we got a pirate hereYARRRR!!

Originally by: Bluefix
Pirates hardly make a living of ransom and denying ransom will not reduce the number of pirates at all..


Aww..poor little hard working pirate..give me a flipping breakRolling EyesIf everyone you ransom doesnt pay..youll find something new..trust me.

Originally by: Bluefix
And of course loosing your ship and paying ransom at the same time is more expensive, but it's only something that happens once in a while..


I think Its the other way around..getting away happens once in a while..in any case,eve isnt a game where you trust people.Even though pirates are such nice,kind hearted people. Razz

Edit:oops



Zulf BesGUowy
Amarr
Posted - 2010.09.19 21:02:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Zulf BesGUowy on 19/09/2010 21:07:46
Some people pay ransom, two or more month ago i got curple ransom average small amount 12-50mil, best ransom was form jumpfreighter pilot, he just risk and enter 0.4 withaut scout i got 500mil im not gredy even ship is worth 4bil, before he jump to next 0.5 he say in local he got 7bil in cargo :D, i dont like pirates who broke rules first they promise happy end, and when they got isk transaction they kill victim, those people suck and pirate reputanion is low...

Liam Fremen
Insurgent New Eden Tribe
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.09.19 21:20:00 - [90]
 


In 2004/2005 killing someone after they paid the ransom was one of the biggest shame ever, or at least it was in the curse alliance area and many people agreed on it on forum discussions etc.

Without capitals that jump where they want avoiding camps, pirating the routes was very viable and fun, i would say this:

If you could know the pirate in front of you is going to let you go pay if it's economically good for you.
If you can't know he will let you go then just insult him.

If you are in a capital ship -> self destruct, you loose your stuff but they don't get it.


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