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Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2010.09.29 09:27:00 - [181]
 

grtz to the ppl who are doing it :P

iv tryd to solo gank a tengu undocking... but failed 2 times :P

so im back to ganking easymode haulers and noobships with lots og random stuff in them :)

Katarlia Simov
Minmatar
Cowboys From Hell
Posted - 2010.09.29 15:27:00 - [182]
 

Edited by: Katarlia Simov on 29/09/2010 15:28:27
Originally by: Bernadictus
Edited by: Bernadictus on 29/09/2010 09:13:30
Don't fly which you can't afford to lose. And yes - flying a pimp Tengu will get you ganked. If you must fly a Pengu, go 0.0 - safer than hi-sex since Dominion 1.0. If you really want to fly a pimped out ship, get an officer fit Damnation, 400k+ ehp.


Or a Golem ? Or even a raven/CNR really ?

Takes a lot less pimping to get a BS into a sexy-good mission runner. Maybe a relatively cheap booster for cap stability (or just t2 if you are smart and manage aggro and cap) and navy BCUs is all it takes to get a permatank and certainly comparable dps to boot. Also drones for frig slapping is much better. Chasing elite frigs with heavy missiles is a real pain.

Anyways, then you get WAY better EHP, what with being a BS, and you have WAY less attractive loot. The combination of being a harder kill and with less potential loot keeps you pretty safe really.

Like anything in eve its all about risk vs reward. A tengu is a fine mission runner for sure, but then you risk being an easy kill for gankers. Being slow and fat (and a little slower completion time for vanilla BS) means slightly slower isk making, but more security.

Working as intended tbh. I like that certain people are making mission running into a more risk profession. It should always have had some element of risk, particularly for super-pimp guys who do nothing but grind the missions.

Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER
Monkey Circus
Posted - 2010.09.29 15:35:00 - [183]
 

Originally by: Niccolo Paganini
If Concord is unwilling or unable to secure crime scenes, whats the point in running missions?

We should all instead use our alts to salvage wrecks. This will be good for the game and encourage new players. ..... ....... Sigh.


What you're saying is, you were silly enough to get alpha'd at a hisec station, but you want your loot? Come on.

Moroccan Tourist
Posted - 2010.09.29 18:27:00 - [184]
 

Nerf the 1400 !
Dont fly a pimped one shot ship !
Dont run missions in crowded hubs !
Use KBs to find the junky gankers and make them red !

Mkiaki
Gallente
Progressive Business Solutions
Posted - 2010.09.29 19:15:00 - [185]
 

-opens thread-

-see's random moron crying about loosing pixels-

-laughs so hard he cries and passes out-

-posts in thread-

-gains profit-

Corncob Spokesperson
Posted - 2010.10.04 09:02:00 - [186]
 

Corncob has never and will never, condone or assist with, the dishonest and distasteful act of suicide ganking the ships of our loyal and law abiding citizens. Corncob does not take bribes, slave women or illicit drugs or a years worth of free Quafe or pink fluffy bunny slippers, as a bribe or fee for standing by while innocents are blown up and their loot stolen.

A once great man stated:

"Originally by Oveur: High security empire space is supposed to be quite safe. If you want piracy, go into areas where it is supported and encouraged, areas that are 0.4 and less. Don't complain that you can't pirate easily in 0.6, you aren't supposed to do it easily. That's the whole point of high security."

Based on this Corncob does its utmost to protect and punish those who step over the line and we will continue to do so. However please understand, Corncob has fallen behind in the war on these villainous persons. Since Corncob was introduced, a slew of changes, ships, weapons and modules have been added for the pod pilots of EVE while Corncob has largely been ignored.

If the status quo is to be restored so that Corncob is able to react and destroy the suiciders before they manage to destroy and grief the law abiding citizens of our great empires, then the deficiencies of Corncob must be addressed post haste!.

Regards

Corncob Spokesperson

Professional Retard
Posted - 2010.10.04 13:14:00 - [187]
 

lol, butthurt *****

Alicia Ryan
Posted - 2010.10.04 21:19:00 - [188]
 

I suggest everyone is ganking in highsec, cause it is profitable, one of the most profitable things ingame atm, if they do so, the game will die... so ccp need to change something about it, it sucks if u can loose a multibillion ship in highsec and cant do anything against it and the ganker can just loose some millions, i dont see the risk vs reward part here is right.

and for the sec hit, u can easily fix that.

Herrring
Amarr
National Quality Breaker
Posted - 2010.10.04 21:44:00 - [189]
 

No, the game wont die when suicide gankers kill expensive ships. The ganked will learn that they should only fly tech II fitted ships and leave the officer mods for caps.

Alicia Ryan
Posted - 2010.10.04 22:19:00 - [190]
 

u think a pithii a type shieldbooster is for a cap?? U dont understand it, rly... what u want to try?

xeno1008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.04 23:51:00 - [191]
 

This has happened to me as well, yes I am sick of it, so, I'm going to do something about itYARRRR!!

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.10.05 06:18:00 - [192]
 

This thread delivers.


Though I have no desire to gank any T3 ships, I have a problem with them.

Considering the capabilities of a T3 ship, flown well and well equipped, a fine vessel for exploration purposes it can be.

And over the summer, I watched T3 ships farming away at....

Sleepers in C4-5? No.
5/10 or better complexes? No.
Escalations that take you many jumps deep into lowsec for the rare rewards? Of course not.

High sec radar and complexes.

Low and behold I still manage to get past them with my Cyclone and hack the cans for those days when wormholes are just not opening up and "something" appears in the probes (lots of decryptors to be given away to a RP scientist because I ain't got the time).

The T3 ship has become the Carebear Explorer vessel of choice. And for a high sec radar, or even a simple complex like a Serpentis Hideaway or something like that, it's just overkill. I don't even bother with them any more but if I am bored I will call up a noob in the free wrecks channel if there is a need to blow s**t up.

That I can pass them and out-hack them shows noobs lacking hacking skills.


When I asked this in the exploration channel, I got smacked down most grievously, as if I asked that sort of question that should not be asked - like asking a woman why she has an adams apple for example - as if a nerve was struck.

Then I asked "Ok so who is carebearing it in high sec sites with a T3" and the insults started to fly.

I can take a T1 BC many wormholes to 0.0 and to a radar site (so long it's not those blasted Guristas but I have faction with them and would like to do their missions someday anyway) and solo C1-C2 wormholes, but am I the devil for thinking a T3 for high sec radar and complexes to be overkill?
(happens to be the same BC in the sig and it's kept in one piece for a long long time).

I don't care for piracy, or whatever that high-sec murder thing they call piracy, and never minded much for carebears before, for seeing that some people have limited time and cannot put in the commitment for lowsec and 0.0.

But as usual, in EvE, no matter how tolerant you can try to be, people will even manage to test that too. And seeing T3 ships farm high sec sites was not something I could ignore. Knowing what a T3 ship can do, and seeing what is being done with it, it's like ..... well I don't know what that's like. I guess it's like when 10 cops shoot a guy 100 times for having a knife.

So the even something I don't care for, high sec ganking, seems welcome in this case.


Now where are my f**king cookies?




Alicia Ryan
Posted - 2010.10.05 09:13:00 - [193]
 

there are alot better ways to make isk with a Tengu then Farm Plexes in empire... but thats not the problem. Problem is atm that one Bs can Gank a T3 in Empire, or 3-4Bs can gank a Bs/Marauder in Empire, Ganking was nerved when u needed 8-9Bs to Gank one, but now it is even easier with the huge Alpha of Arties...

It,s not right to go to a mission hub, scan a bit and have an officer Spawn and it,s not fair at all.

Dark Pony
Posted - 2010.10.05 09:32:00 - [194]
 

Edited by: Dark Pony on 05/10/2010 09:38:08
Edited by: Dark Pony on 05/10/2010 09:33:49
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
RANT


C'mon Herzog. You can't expect people who are able to fly T3 to settle for less rite? Why fly a T1 crap cruiser to do a highsec 3/10 when you can enter the gate with your far superior über-crüser? Enough slots for probe launcher, explo mods and enough tank and gank left to deal with anything opposing you. So far I used a faction Omen and harb for highsec/lowsec small time explo but I would certainly use a T3 crüser if I could. i agree that it is overkill in most cases but so is blob warfare in pvp or having an army of remote reppers.

People choose the safe and easy way and since you need so much utility slots on a 1-ship-for-all exploration setup T3 is the perfect choice.

edit: It's like telling people to drive a second hand Vauxhall/Opel when they own a friggin' Porsche.

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2010.10.05 11:46:00 - [195]
 

Edited by: HeliosGal on 05/10/2010 11:47:47
where there is profit , the lesser elements of eve will be. This is a issue why its profit driven

for ccp its a isk sink to a lot of expensive items are destoryed and not droppd in a suicide gank meaning that sure u get profit but expensive stuff vanishes to

Oguras
Gallente
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2010.10.05 12:05:00 - [196]
 

stop crying, it wasn't even that pimped.
also learn that hi sec is not secure and that with greater number in local rises the chance that somebody is going to gank you.
also learn that you don't need t3/deadspace/officer/faction crap to run some stupid missions..

..either you'll learn that with time or you'll cry and leave..

Alicia Ryan
Posted - 2010.10.05 12:18:00 - [197]
 

one more stupid poster... read first and then answer pls

Oguras
Gallente
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2010.10.05 18:45:00 - [198]
 

Edited by: Oguras on 05/10/2010 18:58:19
That's reply for first post (and maybe few afer that). Would have been stupid to go through those 7 pages..

edit:

Originally by: Alicia Ryan
Problem is atm that one Bs can Gank a T3 in Empire, or 3-4Bs can gank a Bs/Marauder in Empire, Ganking was nerved when u needed 8-9Bs to Gank one, but now it is even easier with the huge Alpha of Arties...

It,s not right to go to a mission hub, scan a bit and have an officer Spawn and it,s not fair at all.


How could I missed that!?
What's the problem? What's not fair?

How many times at day it's said here that hi sec is not invulnerability sec.. If you put hard cash in a boat, you have to accept that it's never safe and take precautions or just be prepared to loose it one day.

Rules are simple and apply to everybody.

Alicia Ryan
Posted - 2010.10.05 18:59:00 - [199]
 

it,s about broken game mechanics... if u can one volley a t3 in empire, something is just wrong, u can kill a officer/faction fit golem/cnr with 3-4bs in empire, ganking got nerved hard, but with the changes to arties it is once more overpowered.

Go to Motsu, wait --> officer Spawn, if u Spawn Concord not on Grid of Gate u have even more time...

LittleTerror
Day Unhappy Security Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.05 19:04:00 - [200]
 

Edited by: LittleTerror on 05/10/2010 19:06:47
Originally by: Alicia Ryan
it,s about broken game mechanics... if u can one volley a t3 in empire, something is just wrong, u can kill a officer/faction fit golem/cnr with 3-4bs in empire, ganking got nerved hard, but with the changes to arties it is once more overpowered.

Go to Motsu, wait --> officer Spawn, if u Spawn Concord not on Grid of Gate u have even more time...


Cry cry cry...


What difference does it make if it takes 3-4 BS's or 10 hell 20 BS's... Rolling Eyes

Oguras
Gallente
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2010.10.05 19:23:00 - [201]
 

Originally by: Alicia Ryan
it,s about broken game mechanics... if u can one volley a t3 in empire, something is just wrong, u can kill a officer/faction fit golem/cnr with 3-4bs in empire, ganking got nerved hard, but with the changes to arties it is once more overpowered.

Go to Motsu, wait --> officer Spawn, if u Spawn Concord not on Grid of Gate u have even more time...


It's not broken.
This game is about getting a ship, fitting it for some role and flying it. Pimped out, overtanked marauders are not neccessary for lvl4 missions in hisec nor cost effective. Thats all. Live with it or find some safe place to roll your pimped boat.

Lost Greybeard
Gallente
Posted - 2010.10.06 16:56:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: RankOutsider
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
CONCORD provides consequences, not protection. Welcome to EVE Online, enjoy your stay.


That very neatly sums up CCPs actions in letting ganking occur outside stations in 1.0 sec systems!

It's happening in Amarr as well.


Actually, iirc, doing it in 1.0, to new players at least, is considered greifing and will get you a nice temporary ban from the game.

The rest of high-sec is fair game, though.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.10.06 17:04:00 - [203]
 

Originally by: Lost Greybeard
Originally by: RankOutsider
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
CONCORD provides consequences, not protection. Welcome to EVE Online, enjoy your stay.


That very neatly sums up CCPs actions in letting ganking occur outside stations in 1.0 sec systems!

It's happening in Amarr as well.


Actually, iirc, doing it in 1.0, to new players at least, is considered greifing and will get you a nice temporary ban from the game.

The rest of high-sec is fair game, though.


If they're in a Tengu, they are obviously not new*, and can safely be considered fair game, regardless.

*Unless of course someone just gave them a T3 capable character, in which case they're still fair game for failing to do their reading before undocking in it.

Professional Retard
Posted - 2010.10.07 00:36:00 - [204]
 

still a butthurt little *****

Dark Eulogy
Posted - 2010.10.07 06:04:00 - [205]
 

+

Niickollas
Posted - 2010.10.07 06:39:00 - [206]
 

I just have to say this is a awesome post thank you OP YARRRR!!

BTW BAM HEAD SHOT

DuKackBoon
Posted - 2010.10.07 07:16:00 - [207]
 

Edited by: DuKackBoon on 07/10/2010 07:17:14
Originally by: Niccolo Paganini
Concord is meant to provide some level of security to pilots


No, it's not. It's merely there to destroy illegal attackers, not to protect you.
/thread

Corncob Spokesperson
Posted - 2010.10.08 02:32:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: DuKackBoon
Edited by: DuKackBoon on 07/10/2010 07:17:14
Originally by: Niccolo Paganini
Concord is meant to provide some level of security to pilots


No, it's not. It's merely there to destroy illegal attackers, not to protect you.
/thread

You are wrong. Read the quote I posted earlier in this thread. That was from the producer of EvE Online and quite a long time ago. However, I have not seen a post from CCP that gives any indication that they have decided to make high security space the way it is deliberately.

Its most probably just another example of idiot creep. Where they make changes to things without thinking of the consequences and then leave it for a few years to fix it. It will eventually be nerfed.

Jilly Serkov
Posted - 2010.10.08 02:34:00 - [209]
 

If Concord didn't already know who killed you and when, maybe they might need to waste time cordoning off the wreck - lol.
As it is theres no need to investigate, so your wreck is just a pile of space junk. The faster it gets celared up, the happier Concord and the local authorities are.

If you must stay in hisec, avoid Motsu and the like. Is it really that difficult?

LittleTerror
Day Unhappy Security Inc.
Posted - 2010.10.08 03:49:00 - [210]
 

I'd never mission run in well, a huge mission hub...

I laugh my arse off every time I see a post like omg wreck thieves and such. Does anyone REALLY bother with that cack? I can run another whole mission in the time it takes to loot and salvage. The bounties more than make up for the crap loot I would have gotten Rolling Eyes and the loyalty store is a flipping joke I only use it to get implants or skill books and that's it, complete garbage waste of time pointless effort. If I really wanted that super duper chum ship I'll just buy it since I can make more isk faster with out wasting my time.

So HAHAHAHAH I hope you lose your next tengu and rage quit over it



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