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SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
Posted - 2010.09.16 19:04:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: SencneS on 16/09/2010 19:05:40
Well we could just leave all the accounts alone and after the people that are confirmed not to have defaulted or stolen from EBANK have taking most of it. So when they return and request a withdrawal or we attempt this..

Right click on persons - Transfer ISK - Enter the amount of their account and press OK and get this error..

"Not Enough Money"
"Your wallet contains only -1,263,522,763,032.04 ISK, but you require 0.10 ISK to complete this operation"

That's the error from EVE by the way though, I did make up the values. It's not all roses on this side of the fence, there are real issues that need choices that not everyone will like. If you don't like them sorry, but it has to be done, the people that it actually effects, the ones that really do have ISK in EBANK have yet to complain or troll to the extent of those who have ZERO ISK in EBANK or even have an account. If I went to CCP and said "Hey delete every person that doesn't have any ISK in EBANK, and deny them from posting in any EBANK Thread" the threads would be 1 page, house hardly any posts, and zero trolling.

Person B gives Person A some money because Person A promises to return that money at any time, with interest, Person B walks away. Someone comes along, we'll call them party C. Party C comes along and ROBS Person A. Person A attempts to recover the loss but just doesn't get enough in time. Person A does everything in their power to contact Person B, Person B is not found, Person A sends out notices, fliers, and announces it on a public stage where they met Person B. Person A gives Person B over a years to come forth. Person A suspects the Person B is part of Party C and requires that person B give them extra information not previously required to make sure Person B was not part of the original robbery. Person B still doesn't show up. Person A WANTS to give Person B the money but doesn't want to be taken like a fool for a second time.

There is always a reason why actions are taken some are not liked others are. If you focus on just the bad you're just sad..

Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2010.09.16 19:27:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: SencneS
Edited by: SencneS on 16/09/2010 19:05:40
Well we could just leave all the accounts alone and after the people that are confirmed not to have defaulted or stolen from EBANK have taking most of it. So when they return and request a withdrawal or we attempt this..

Right click on persons - Transfer ISK - Enter the amount of their account and press OK and get this error..

"Not Enough Money"
"Your wallet contains only -1,263,522,763,032.04 ISK, but you require 0.10 ISK to complete this operation"

That's the error from EVE by the way though, I did make up the values. It's not all roses on this side of the fence, there are real issues that need choices that not everyone will like. If you don't like them sorry, but it has to be done, the people that it actually effects, the ones that really do have ISK in EBANK have yet to complain or troll to the extent of those who have ZERO ISK in EBANK or even have an account. If I went to CCP and said "Hey delete every person that doesn't have any ISK in EBANK, and deny them from posting in any EBANK Thread" the threads would be 1 page, house hardly any posts, and zero trolling.

Person B gives Person A some money because Person A promises to return that money at any time, with interest, Person B walks away. Someone comes along, we'll call them party C. Party C comes along and ROBS Person A. Person A attempts to recover the loss but just doesn't get enough in time. Person A does everything in their power to contact Person B, Person B is not found, Person A sends out notices, fliers, and announces it on a public stage where they met Person B. Person A gives Person B over a years to come forth. Person A suspects the Person B is part of Party C and requires that person B give them extra information not previously required to make sure Person B was not part of the original robbery. Person B still doesn't show up. Person A WANTS to give Person B the money but doesn't want to be taken like a fool for a second time.

There is always a reason why actions are taken some are not liked others are. If you focus on just the bad you're just sad..


Wait, so who's on first?

SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
Posted - 2010.09.16 19:54:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Wait, so who's on first?


We are... :( Ricdic already ran home and left us stranded on first, bottom of the ninth with 2 outs.. Laughing

Mme Pinkerton
The pink win
Posted - 2010.09.16 20:06:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Mme Pinkerton on 16/09/2010 20:18:19

As I have not zero, not one, but two EBANK accounts, this thread would be pretty long even if SencneS could get her wish Razz

Asking for BLEEP/API keys only works as an exercise to weed out inactive customers. Those scammers who have registered their EBANK account with their scam alt are easy to find without use of API keys.

All other scammers who might have been careless enough to have an EBANK account registered with a character that is on the same account as one of their scam alts will either just transfer the scam alt to a new EVE account (costs money Sad, only a good idea if the EBANK account has a substantial balance) or biomass the tainted character, submit the API key for confirmation of the account and petition the biomassed character back.

(edit: of course you shouldn't do that as it creates unnecessary workload for the CCP customer support - but people should know about the possibility as evil scamz0rs might abuse it to fool audits and other API checks)

Citing any concerns about scam prevention etc. as a justification for the API requirements is just stupid.

SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
Posted - 2010.09.16 20:51:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
As I have not zero, not one, but two EBANK accounts, this thread would be pretty long even if SencneS could get her wish Razz


Yes, and you're really the only one that has actually commented on threads that I actually feel for.. You're also not really a troll. Sure we tend to disagree on some thing and it is clear sometimes we view things differently, but at least we know where each other stand. That is the reason for this reply, as our only real vocal customer that has a stake in EBANK your opinion actually matters, at least to me.

Yeah, there is ways for the scammers to get around the Name Check but as you pointed out it's got to be worth the $25 transfer fee, there is a cost associated with it. And believe me when I say the API check did have two factors and the very first being "Did your scam/default any EBANKs Funds?" That was actually the first question, when the API Name check was brought up a secondary effect was see who is active. If anything it killed two birds with one stone, or at least killed one bird for sure, and just broke the legs of the other.

I've said this before in this thread, out of everything we've done since Ricdic for the first time we have cleaned up everything, worked on making ISK, have fully working Books, complete track and accountability to every ISK in EBANK. Account cleanup had to happen eventually, it's just that time. On the 19th when EBANK makes an announcement I'm hopping everyone sees why this HAD to be done.

Out of the entire mess that is EBANK the last part to clean up is the accounts, that's pretty much it. I make no bones about it being a horrific choice, but I stand by the reasons for doing it. We're trying to move on here get the last part of the old horrid system out of the way to finally be able to give the still current, still active customers a sense even a GLIMMER of hope, that it was made right.

Now I know I'll probably get trolled because I like to dream a little and I'm not afraid of trying to make this whole thing not stink so bad but that's just the type of person I am. I want to believe all the choices we made eventually turned out to be the better choice. The damage was done a long time ago, it couldn't get any worse, this is the final hurdle, eventually we just have to jump.

Leneerra
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.09.16 21:20:00 - [66]
 

As long as you offer a reasonable choice to your customers I am satisfied.
Implementing bleep was a huge step towards this for me.
Allowing liquidation, against a realistic percentage, for accounts would be the final step in this process.

While I think it is wrong to zero the accounts that do not register, I do see some of the reasons for ignoring those accounts. Some people simply left eve and forgot about it, possibly never to return, for whatever reason.
I see no need to pay isk to those dead accounts.
It might even be interesting to check how long those accounts that do not register have been dormant and publish some statistics on that.

I may disagree with your choices, but you (all that remained in e-bank) took a job nobody wanted, and did it (badlyRazzWink).
Putting in countless hours into a job that mostly got you complaints and little other rewards. If anything your (pig-headed?) perseverance must be admired.

Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.09.16 23:30:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: SencneS
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Wait, so who's on first?


We are... :( Ricdic already ran home and left us stranded on first, bottom of the ninth with 2 outs.. Laughing


Blaming Ricdic is pretty weak considering the complete mess of the ebank deal for the last year has been 100% due to the BoD. I waver on whether or not ebank BoDs are completely dishonest, or just delusional. Regardless, I have a lot more respect for bad bobby than any of the ebank board members. At least he is competent and articulate, if a bit on the dishonest side :P

Lucyna
Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises
Posted - 2010.09.17 00:04:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Vilgan Mazran
Originally by: SencneS
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Wait, so who's on first?


We are... :( Ricdic already ran home and left us stranded on first, bottom of the ninth with 2 outs.. Laughing


Blaming Ricdic is pretty weak considering the complete mess of the ebank deal for the last year has been 100% due to the BoD. I waver on whether or not ebank BoDs are completely dishonest, or just delusional. Regardless, I have a lot more respect for bad bobby than any of the ebank board members. At least he is competent and articulate, if a bit on the dishonest side :P


Truthfully, the way I heard it, Ridic was the tipping point, after a long line of bad loans (a lot of which he made) and the mini run on the bank. I really do hate people that are like "Lol scamzorz" when they don't even know what liquidity is, or how hard the honest ones at EBANK are working to get the bank liquid once again.

Bad Bobby compared to the EBANK board... come on, how about you just wait until the announcement?

Dzil
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
The Fourth District
Posted - 2010.09.17 01:42:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Lucyna
I really do hate people that are like "Lol scamzorz" when they don't even know what liquidity is, or how hard the honest ones at EBANK are working to get the bank liquid once again.




Um...

What do you think liquidity is? I thought ebank's problem was more like bankruptcy.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.09.17 05:03:00 - [70]
 

Quote:

Regardless, I have a lot more respect for bad bobby than any of the ebank board members. At least he is competent and articulate, if a bit on the dishonest side :P



Scammers have to look professional, intelligent and polite in order to screw you.

In fact, it's easy to notice that those who don't care to embellish and push you into buying their "box" are probably the more honest ones.

Lucyna
Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises
Posted - 2010.09.17 05:40:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Dzil
Originally by: Lucyna
I really do hate people that are like "Lol scamzorz" when they don't even know what liquidity is, or how hard the honest ones at EBANK are working to get the bank liquid once again.




Um...

What do you think liquidity is? I thought ebank's problem was more like bankruptcy.



You are right once again, I meant insolvent. Sorry, twas early when I posted it (I think).
Hello.

CCP Jericho

Posted - 2010.09.17 08:19:00 - [72]
 

Inappropriate post removed.

Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2010.09.17 11:26:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Mme Pinkerton
Those scammers


Uh, EBANK is/was a scam. People that sank money in it are called victims/stupid.

SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
Posted - 2010.09.17 14:45:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Vilgan Mazran
Blaming Ricdic is pretty weak considering the complete mess of the ebank deal for the last year has been 100% due to the BoD.


I guess it comes down to The chicken or The egg.

If Ricdic didn't scam, he wouldn't have cashed in hundred of billions of ISK for RMT and got his accounts banned, which we know for a fact also contains more hundred of billions of ISK and assets.

Without those hundreds of billions of ISK lost due to Ricdic's RMT activities EBANK would still be in debt that's pretty much a given, but I can imagine one scenario.

Ricdic and Hexxx, the CEO and Chairman at that time would have caste a vote to liquidate and close out EBANK. Now Mr.H Would have made off with 100B of fabricated funds but lets assume an auditor on final closure found that.

Ricdic claimed 250B ISK was sold, Yet he also claimed $7000 was sold, at $16 per Billion. (Confirmation by MSN Logs in which he said) So which one is true? 437.5B Which is $7,000 / $16, or the claimed 250B? Well in his interview he changed it to $5000, which would make it 312.5B. We know for a fact, one of his Characters which was banned had 50B ISK Liquid in it. There was also another 20-30B in other characters on the accounts that where banned. So if we average what he claimed, 333.3B + 50 + 25 = 418B Liquid ISK.
That's just ISK, that's not including the PLEX manipulation attempt in which there was LOTS of PLEXes locked up, any materials, POSes, in alliances which EBANK had to struggle to get even a very very small part of the value of eventually scammed out, Mr. H's near 100B ISK fraud. EBANK at the time of the scam was able to pool together near 500B ISK at the drop of a hat, putting it's total liquid ISK available at over 1 Trillion. That's just ISK, 5 Titan BPOs, Tech II BPOs and what we could get hands on, the T1 BPOs alone come to over 40B ISK. I expect if Ricdic hadn't scammed EBANK's NAV would be in and around 1.5 Trillion. That's not including the tens of billions in loans that did get paid back after Ricdic scammed. Also not including the little venture corps that where about 50B, there was a couple of those.

No doubt EBANK had a shortage of value, the defaulted KIA loan was big, since then additional loans have been written off and defaulted. So all up I'd put EBANK's NAV at 1.7B really rough estimate because I'm guessing and theorizing as to how much Ricdic had in assets. So I could be wrong, but I'm pretty confident about the amount of ISK EBANK had at the time. So about 1.7 Trillion vs 2.2 Trillion EBANK had at the time, means it was 500B debt.

Now I totally believe EBANK was used as an ISK Laundering service, at that time Unholy Rage took place banning thousands of accounts. We have no idea how many or how much ISK is locked away in EBANK because of laundering.

Ricdic, Hexxx, I would have for sure, Selene (Who was leaving anyway) LVV (Who was seeking CCP Employement) 5 of the 7 directors would have voted to liquidate and pay our marginal withdrawals. Would have simply liquidated assets, issued people their part of the remaining ISK. This would have dumped billions into dead, inactive, or banned accounts.

However, since Ricdic DID do what he did, EBANK was left with.. 650B ISK. from 1.7 Trillion to 650B all because of Ricdic scamming.

So it comes down to "The chicken or The egg", The Current BOD wouldn't exist, the choices it made wouldn't have happened, and people would be looking at a 75% account balance, instead of a %30. Sorry, Ricdic is to blame for a LOT of the reasons EBANK is in this mess. EBANK wouldn't exist without Ricdic no doubt, but he is also the primary reason it's in this mess. Crying or Very sad

Belloche
Caldari
Pegasus Battle Group
Posted - 2010.09.17 16:10:00 - [75]
 

Are you waiting for the 19th of September to make the official announcement about EBANK because its international talk like a pirate day?

Just wondering what is so special about the 19th and having to wait until then. When I said something out loud about that date the wife told me that day is talk like a pirate day. She knew because its the day after her bday. Just wondering.....

Lucyna
Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises
Posted - 2010.09.17 16:11:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: SencneS
people would be looking at a 75% account balance, instead of a %30



Is this an official statement regarding the future availability of our frozen account funds?

EBANK SencneS
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
Posted - 2010.09.17 16:23:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Lucyna
Originally by: SencneS
people would be looking at a 75% account balance, instead of a %30



Is this an official statement regarding the future availability of our frozen account funds?


Notice the name this is posted with.

No, it is not.

The 75% account balance was if Ricdic didn't scam. The %30 was the assumed number after Ray had finished the audit. The 75% was based off extreme rough guesses of asset value of assets unconfirmed locked away by Ricdic accounts being banned, and the amount of liquid ISK We had available at that time, and was confirmed by latest API Updates.

The 30% is based on Asset Value and ISK available Ray had valued EBANK back after Ricdic had scammed.

Talk like a Pirate day, I actually had no idea it was that day, but now that you say that. I'm going to suggest Ray make the announcement in pirate like speak. yarrr YARRRR!!

Lucyna
Interstellar Killer Bee Enterprises
Posted - 2010.09.17 16:26:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: EBANK SencneS
Originally by: Lucyna
Originally by: SencneS
people would be looking at a 75% account balance, instead of a %30



Is this an official statement regarding the future availability of our frozen account funds?


Notice the name this is posted with.

No, it is not.




Alrighty then.

I better warm up my "Yarring" muscles for the fateful 19th.

Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2010.09.17 16:32:00 - [79]
 

Stop messaging me to ask questions, I don't give a stuff about your personal circumstances. Authenticate your account and await further instructions like the rest of the lemmings, k? Any messages sent to me regarding lolbank are being ignored, stop thinking that you're special and deserve a personal response.

Eve Trollin
Posted - 2010.09.17 17:46:00 - [80]
 

I know two people that convo'd Ray and they got 100% of their balance back. It seems this is the way to go. Quick, easy, and you get all of your isk.

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2010.09.17 21:05:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Belloche
Are you waiting for the 19th of September to make the official announcement about EBANK because its international talk like a pirate day?



Dear god, I never even thought of that. ITLAPD is my most favorite non-holiday holiday.


Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.09.18 03:52:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Belloche
Are you waiting for the 19th of September to make the official announcement about EBANK because its international talk like a pirate day?



Dear god, I never even thought of that. ITLAPD is my most favorite non-holiday holiday.


/shrugs

The people who did not realise that are the kind of people who did not get what the parot ment when he kept saying "12 and a half percent"


Dasola
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.09.18 11:10:00 - [83]
 

Personally its stealing if you just writeoff those inactive accounts? Why, becouse your bank, bank dont do that.

And since they claim to be still running a bank, so how about opening withdrawals right now then? yes you dont get 100% of your isk but im sure 30% is better then nothing. Thats customers choise.

Right now this Ebank thing looks like massive scam. They brake deadlines, promises and even their original tos. Yes new tos is not valid until original one is honored fully.

Business Classy
Business Class Investments
Posted - 2010.09.18 12:42:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Steve Thomas
Originally by: Breaker77
Originally by: Belloche
Are you waiting for the 19th of September to make the official announcement about EBANK because its international talk like a pirate day?



Dear god, I never even thought of that. ITLAPD is my most favorite non-holiday holiday.


/shrugs

The people who did not realise that are the kind of people who did not get what the parot ment when he kept saying "12 and a half percent"




I honestly went almost the entire book without realising that, felt pretty stupid towards the end >.<

Still, at least I got the Selachii and the Venturi :D

Allvan Harl
Posted - 2010.09.19 04:18:00 - [85]
 

Ray and all, thanks for finally getting around to this. Cutting the dead weight away has been long overdue.

As for all the folks complaining about these people who supposedly parked their money in EBANK while they took a break from the game, or those who don't want to turn over their API key, sounds like carebear tears to me. And that's coming from a.....wait for it......you guessed it......someone who is pretty much a carebear.

Kayleigh Lothian
Minmatar
Obsidian Inc.
Posted - 2010.09.19 10:53:00 - [86]
 

Ok, so I authed my account the last time you screamed, the funny thing is that I can not update my profile now because your lovely input form removes the dot between my domain and country in my e-mail address. It will not even allow me to remove the e-mail address.
Is this a way to hinder some people to re-auth or just a bloody bug noone bothering with?

Vilgan Mazran
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2010.09.19 11:19:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Quote:

Regardless, I have a lot more respect for bad bobby than any of the ebank board members. At least he is competent and articulate, if a bit on the dishonest side :P



Scammers have to look professional, intelligent and polite in order to screw you.


The ability to appear professional, intelligent, and competent is not limited to scammers. If the ebank board had shown a bit more competence, I doubt there would be anywhere near the amount of fuss about what has gone on. Fortunately, I hear convo'ing and mailing Ray in game will get you all the isk back if you are persistent. Obviously he will deny this on the forums for PR reasons though.

Johnny Ringo
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.09.19 17:04:00 - [88]
 

It's the 19th....

<waiting expectantly for the promised announcement...>

Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2010.09.19 17:09:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Johnny Ringo
<waiting expectantly for the promised announcement...>

Clearly you don't know how this works. I make an empty promise and set an unrealistic timeframe, you get your hopes up and I then dash them by not fulfilling any of my promises.

Let's skip straight to the part where I ask how you're not yet conditioned to this behavioural pattern?

Johnny Ringo
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.09.19 17:32:00 - [90]
 

Optimism is well defined as the triumph of hope over experience.


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