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Zivoril
Posted - 2010.09.04 17:42:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 17:45:01
Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 17:41:52
From WOW to the very first MMO ever made, I've played them all. The simple reason I didnt quit EVE was because a friend gave me 1 million isk the first week I started, which kept me training to buy a real ship. Otherwise I believe working from the start of EVE without help is a utterly boreing and unworthy task. Heres what gonna gte the better of most of you Veterean players YOU KNOW IM RIGHT!

CCPs idea of makeing a newbie pilto work to where, many of us fly tons of ships and mission pvp etc, is patheic!

CCP hasnt any idea of how many people start this game see what they have to do, talk to other players then realize, WTF YOU WANT ME TO DO WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! To earn and buy a cruiser??? F.. that! Thats what I said, unitl a buddy gave me 1 million, then I stayed.

Sazuka Kirr
Caldari
Trans-Solar Works
Posted - 2010.09.04 17:43:00 - [2]
 

I just had a cheese sandwich for lunch. How about you?

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.09.04 17:46:00 - [3]
 

Generic vet reply.

Eve is more noob friendly than it was 3 years ago.

started with red moon rising, all i had was 80k sp, about 50k isk and a +1 implant.

I had no 2x training time, i didnt ahve all the stuff the new guys have today. quit your whining.

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2010.09.04 17:47:00 - [4]
 

Ever watch baby sea turtles when they hatch? They are completely helpless as they paddle their way through the sand to the ocean. Seagulls swooping down on them and picking them off for food. Then once they reach the ocean they have to contend with larger sea creatures (which is about ALL of them) trying to eat them as well.

That is what it's like to be a new player in EVE. Survival of the fittest and luckiest. That is why it is hard to get new players to stay.

Gistatis Tribunus
Posted - 2010.09.04 17:48:00 - [5]
 

The tutorial is extremely boring granted, but it really does prepare you for a myriad of things out in Eve. With how complex it is to do some things as a noob with no previous experience or help with said tasks, this really is one of the only MMO's where you really have to do the tutorial.

I haven't bothered with it lately since I can just give any of my alts all the stuff it gets from the tutorial at any time so I don't know if it really prepares anyone for PVP, but even then I'm sure they could just ask around or watch a video or two and see how people set up their overviews, how they fit ships, etc.

Khors
El Barco Pirata
Posted - 2010.09.04 17:51:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Zivoril
CCP hasnt any idea of how many people start this game see what they have to do, talk to other players then realize, WTF YOU WANT ME TO DO WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! To earn and buy a cruiser??? F.. that! Thats what I said, unitl a buddy gave me 1 million, then I stayed.



Maybe you should try eve again after you had your 12th birthday.
If you don't like striving and earning your way forward, eve is not a game for you.

Lance Fighter
Amarr
Posted - 2010.09.04 17:51:00 - [7]
 

when i started eve, i had a 28k sp, an impairor, and a peice of trit.

The tutorial was crap (but had that nice aura character :p ) and the tutorial missions werent useful, and I had no help.

The first thing i did? Join a corp. That corp helped me thousands of times more than any static tutorial could have. Oh, and i went lowsec mining in a tormentor my first weekend, scoring me over a mill isk :D

Zivoril
Posted - 2010.09.04 17:57:00 - [8]
 

This si the A typical response you get, everyone always danceing around the TRUTH, non one ever just admiting the facts about EVE!

Hannibal Ord
Minmatar
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.09.04 17:58:00 - [9]
 

Didn't you post about how you fail to fly a Kronos a moment ago?

branodn lee
Minmatar
kadian blades
Posted - 2010.09.04 17:58:00 - [10]
 

well all i can say is, i have seen eve from before the first expansion. try starting out 7 years ago. if i made it from starting on my own at that time, then how is it you people cry about it now. i do agree forcing learning skills on people did take a bit away from the game. the game is better and helping new players now then it ever has been.

keep up the good work ccp

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2010.09.04 17:59:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Zivoril
From WOW to the very first MMO ever made, I've played them all.
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Why didn't you stay in those games? Would've saved us a whine.

Originally by: Zivoril
CCP hasnt any idea of how many people start this game see what they have to do, talk to other players then realize, WTF YOU WANT ME TO DO WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!! To earn and buy a cruiser??? F.. that! Thats what I said, unitl a buddy gave me 1 million, then I stayed.

So you where crying there already.. must be some of those kids stomping and crying in the shops when mummy doesn't want to buy you xyz.

/gobacktowhatever

Hari Markkus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.09.04 18:04:00 - [12]
 

Well, I just had a very interesting conversation with a two day old player.

On his first day he did the tutorial and all the starter profession mission chains.

At the end of one he was told to report to the SSoE to do the epic mission arc. And at the end of another he was given a certificate to join the Minmatar Factional warfare corporation.

So, being a new player, he did both. Very Happy

Of course the SSoE epic mission arc sends you to Caldari space. Not the best place for a member of the Minmatar militia, especially a two day old character, to be.

But instead of moaning on these forums, which you can't do when you are only two days old anyway, he was looking for ideas for what to to. I told him about the passive income from datacores and I think he is bothering Minmatar R&D agents and dodging Amarr gatecamps in low sec now.Laughing

But the new player team needs to look at this glitch.

DuKackBoon
Posted - 2010.09.04 18:34:00 - [13]
 

EVE is actually one of the few (or the only?) MMO that is steadily growing in player numbers.

Lonzo Kincaid
Black Bands
Posted - 2010.09.04 18:38:00 - [14]
 

I'd like say eve is more noob friendly than when i started, but i should also add that a friend of mine gave me 1 mill the moment i started too.

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.09.04 18:41:00 - [15]
 

I'm sure OP is a generic forum troll and has done this exact whine thread in the past.

Anddeh McNab
Cadre Assault Force
Posted - 2010.09.04 18:42:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Sazuka Kirr
I just had a cheese sandwich for lunch. How about you?


I just had spicy lamb in pita for dinner then watched Wallace and Gromit on the tele. Thanks for asking.

Ghoest
Posted - 2010.09.04 18:49:00 - [17]
 

I would not start playing EVE now unless I had a friend supporting me.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.09.04 18:51:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Zivoril
The simple reason I didnt quit EVE was because a friend gave me 1 million isk the first week I started, which kept me training to buy a real ship. Otherwise I believe working from the start of EVE without help is a utterly boreing and unworthy task. Heres what gonna gte the better of most of you Veterean players YOU KNOW IM RIGHT!
I guess I'm not a veteran player then, since I, for one, know you're wrong. I had a blast from the get-go, and getting my first million (by my own hand) was a momentous occasion. Help was easy to find, and it was a wonderful new world to explore.


…oh, and new players have it even easier these days than I did, three years ago.

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2010.09.04 18:57:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Generic vet reply.

Eve is more noob friendly than it was 3 years ago.

started with red moon rising, all i had was 80k sp, about 50k isk and a +1 implant.

I had no 2x training time, i didnt ahve all the stuff the new guys have today. quit your whining.
you lucky prat.

when I started all I had was 80k SP, 5k isk and a noobship.

dtyk
Posted - 2010.09.04 18:58:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Sazuka Kirr
I just had a cheese sandwich for lunch. How about you?


I had a cheese sandwich too Shocked


Zivoril
Posted - 2010.09.04 18:59:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Zivoril
The simple reason I didnt quit EVE was because a friend gave me 1 million isk the first week I started, which kept me training to buy a real ship. Otherwise I believe working from the start of EVE without help is a utterly boreing and unworthy task. Heres what gonna gte the better of most of you Veterean players YOU KNOW IM RIGHT!
I guess I'm not a veteran player then, since I, for one, know you're wrong. I had a blast from the get-go, and getting my first million (by my own hand) was a momentous occasion. Help was easy to find, and it was a wonderful new world to explore.


…oh, and new players have it even easier these days than I did, three years ago.


Great for you Liar isnt nessecary! But, you used allies to help you, nothing wrong with that---but, I know you and have seen you for years. I call BS -You fail in my post for what I'm talking about is haveing no friends.

Zivoril
Posted - 2010.09.04 19:01:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Zivoril on 04/09/2010 19:05:40
Lets just say you started EVE, and are alone trying to GRIND YOUR WAY! MY POINT IS EVE IS THE GREATEST solo by yourself MMO and QUIT EVER!Shocked

Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.09.04 19:09:00 - [23]
 

The complexity is kind of a ****** check, i like it.
Ofc some slip through the net, but its a great start.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.09.04 19:12:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 04/09/2010 19:13:05
Originally by: Zivoril
But, you used allies to help you
No. I just asked people. I was well over a year into the game before I had anything that could be called "allies".
Quote:
You fail in my post for what I'm talking about is haveing no friends.
…just like me then, when I started. It wasn't particularly hard to make it on your own back then, it's even less difficult now.

Sarton Wells
Posted - 2010.09.04 19:14:00 - [25]
 

I made about 15 mil in the first two days doing the tutorial/profession missions and the epic ark. Never had the need to rely on anyone in order to progress through the game. It's not difficult at all. You're either trolling or you're way too pampered by wow in it's current state. The eve right now is more noob friendly than wow was at the beginning. Not to mention older mmos.

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2010.09.04 19:16:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Tres Farmer on 04/09/2010 19:17:00
Quote:
EVE is the MMO at getting new the WORST players whiners!

Zivoril
Posted - 2010.09.04 19:24:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Tres Farmer
Edited by: Tres Farmer on 04/09/2010 19:17:00
Quote:
EVE is the MMO at getting new the WORST players whiners!



PIP, PIP - JOLLY O!

Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2010.09.04 19:25:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Grimpak
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
Generic vet reply.

Eve is more noob friendly than it was 3 years ago.

started with red moon rising, all i had was 80k sp, about 50k isk and a +1 implant.

I had no 2x training time, i didnt ahve all the stuff the new guys have today. quit your whining.
you lucky prat.

when I started all I had was 80k SP, 5k isk and a noobship.


Dont forget the 1 trit and the damage control Smile

As for the op does he not realise that a new player who starts the game, runs the tutorial and runs the proffession missions comes out of it with

6 frigs,
the mods to fit those frigs,
approx 20 skills, including those for mini-proffessions,
3 implants,
an industrial,
a destroyer
blueprints for ammunition and yet more frigates
scan probes + launcher
1.6 million isk +
a standing boost to his faction
an introduction to FW corp
an introduction to epic arc agent.

In addition the tutorials teach him how to do things like scanning/hacking/salvaging/minng/missioning/anomolies.

Finally he gets double training speed modifier.

All for about 6 hours game time.

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2010.09.04 19:47:00 - [29]
 

I agree with the OP, it also makes me feel bloated and gives me really bad gas.


It is just one of those things i guess, just like eating to much Turkey can make you really tired. Oh well, a little bit of gas-X will clear it right up.


Iyhi Baal
Gallente
Blue Republic
Posted - 2010.09.04 19:52:00 - [30]
 

lol.

I wish that your buddy had never given you that 1 million isk. Getting things for free is the first step on the path of not appreciating this game.

I started in 06, did the tutorial ( the old one and thought it was great) and I have never been in a corp of more than 10 active players. Building up from nothing and growing into a mover and shaker in eve is what CCP is selling and they are peerless at it.

My biggest concern is that CCP will take the wrong path and wow-ify this game to keep children that should not be here in the first place.

My advice to you; either start thinking/plotting/planning how you are going to take over or find a better past time. In either case there is no room for whining.



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