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MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.29 00:17:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/08/2010 00:22:00
Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2

If the 15-minute timer is not serving a purpose, then what exactly is stopping you from doing your thing and not be bored? What's stopping you from popping more ships? You're contradicting yourself.



Nah, I'm not. You just don't understand what I'm saying - that's ok.

For clarity's sake, THE PURPOSE of GCC is to offer limited protection to people attacked unlawfully in lowsec, and complete protection (give-or-take) to people attacked in highsec. It would equally serve this purpose at 5 minutes as it does at 15. The extra 10 minutes serves only as dead time for pirates. I realize many of you feel like it's a major victory to bore people, but it's not good gaming. If you want to win the battle, do so with skill, don't just sit back smirking because I have to orbit your corpse for 15 minutes now... all this joy over my irritation is quite pathetic.
Then go kill something/someone else. Seriously, what is stopping you from doing it? Is the GCC warp scrambling you?

And BTW, GCC is not there to offer protection. It's there to serve consequences... To you. And it is. Working as intended.


Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.08.29 00:21:00 - [32]
 

It's a templar, the amarrian fighter drone, which can only be used by carriers.

Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2010.08.29 00:22:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Brusanan
Then stop hiding until your GCC expires every time you kill someone. It's your own fault that you are bored when you have GCC. Rolling Eyes


Hush, troll.

Tellenta
Gallente
versic LLC
Posted - 2010.08.29 00:27:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
Not trolling.

I probably get 10 globals a day. Some overlap, but I'd bet I spend close to an hour a day in safe spots or docked waiting out GCC. It's irritating since there is NO reason for 15 minutes of global.

Just calling me an idiot doesn't prove you're right. Please explain how 15 minutes better serves to make piracy difficult, or how 5 minutes would be exploited.



The 15 minute timer does not make piracy difficult, it is just an arbitrary timer during which everything NPC wants to shoot at you if they can. The fact that you are allowed to dock at all during this time period is kind of a meh thing in my opinion. Beyond alleviating a minor inconvenience for an act of piracy by 10 minutes changing the timer to 5 minutes makes no sense. You say there is no reason for a GCC which is an interesting statement, I mean you did 'break the law' and are now being punished for your actions. 5 minutes is to short for it to be a punishment, 15 minutes is just long enough to be annoying which in my opinion is the whole point of the GCC.

:generic whine flame here:

Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2010.08.29 00:31:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Then go kill something/someone else. Seriously, what is stopping you from doing it? Is the GCC warp scrambling you?

And BTW, GCC is not there to offer protection. It's there to serve consequences... To you. And it is. Working as intended.


Either post with your main, or, if this is your main, quit flapping your gums about something you know nothing at all about.

Killing something else is only possible if there is something else to kill in the system you're in. Changing systems with GCC is usually ill-advised, and will eventually cost you ships. More often than not it is better to just wait it out... which brings me back to my main point - waiting 15 minutes is unnecessary.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.29 00:33:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/08/2010 00:34:53
Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Then go kill something/someone else. Seriously, what is stopping you from doing it? Is the GCC warp scrambling you?

And BTW, GCC is not there to offer protection. It's there to serve consequences... To you. And it is. Working as intended.


Either post with your main, or, if this is your main, quit flapping your gums about something you know nothing at all about.

Killing something else is only possible if there is something else to kill in the system you're in. Changing systems with GCC is usually ill-advised, and will eventually cost you ships. More often than not it is better to just wait it out... which brings me back to my main point - waiting 15 minutes is unnecessary.
Wait, you mean there IS a purpose for the timer? Rolling Eyes

Stop crying about the consequences to your actions and HTFU.

Jeez, are all of Tuskers cry babies?


Tellenta
Gallente
versic LLC
Posted - 2010.08.29 00:35:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Tellenta on 29/08/2010 00:37:30
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
15 minutes for the Global Criminal Countdown is absurd. It serves no purpose past 5 minutes, other than to simply irritate and bore pirates.

For the love of God, please knock this overpowered beast back a notch or two.

Also, quit giving GCC to pirates who rep/assist pirates in their own corp. I realize the need to prevent alts from helping pirates as it is, and taking a sec status hit is fine, but don't give people a global for helping their corpmates. It's, again, nothing more than irritating.

Already smells like flaming carebears in here...


Personally I would like to see it extended. If you choose to initiate agression, those you aggress should have the posibillity to hunt you down without penalty at least an hour after the attack!




If you don't shoot back it's much longer than that. they are called kill rights, look them up on your character sheet.

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Jeez, are all of Tuskers cry babies?


Kinda yeah.

Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2010.08.29 00:40:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Tellenta

... 15 minutes is just long enough to be annoying which in my opinion is the whole point of the GCC.


Sound logic, let's keep a mechanic that is entirely designed to annoy...

As I said before, GCC is intended to offer limited protection to people attacked unlawfully in lowsec, and complete protection (give or take) to people in highsec. I didn't say that GCC serves no purpose, I said that it is unnecessarily long.

Remove the extra 10 minutes of global, and piracy gets no easier. All that happens is less dead time.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.29 00:43:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/08/2010 00:44:01
Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
Originally by: Tellenta

... 15 minutes is just long enough to be annoying which in my opinion is the whole point of the GCC.


Sound logic, let's keep a mechanic that is entirely designed to annoy...

As I said before, GCC is intended to offer limited protection to people attacked unlawfully in lowsec, and complete protection (give or take) to people in highsec. I didn't say that GCC serves no purpose, I said that it is unnecessarily long.

Remove the extra 10 minutes of global, and piracy gets no easier. All that happens is less dead time.
Again, it's designed to offer consequences, not protection to your victims. Don't know what those consequences are? Warp to a gate and find out.


OneTimeAt BannedSpank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
Posted - 2010.08.29 00:46:00 - [40]
 

I like how matrix successfully annoys op's by making the same reply constantly ad infinitum. Good work.

Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2010.08.29 00:51:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Wait, you mean there IS a purpose for the timer? Rolling Eyes

Are you daft? The only purpose of a 15 minute timer is dead time. That's a purpose, but it's a lame one, so get rid of it.

Tellenta
Gallente
versic LLC
Posted - 2010.08.29 00:52:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Tellenta on 29/08/2010 00:55:04
Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
Originally by: Tellenta

... 15 minutes is just long enough to be annoying which in my opinion is the whole point of the GCC.


Sound logic, let's keep a mechanic that is entirely designed to annoy...

As I said before, GCC is intended to offer limited protection to people attacked unlawfully in lowsec, and complete protection (give or take) to people in highsec. I didn't say that GCC serves no purpose, I said that it is unnecessarily long.

Remove the extra 10 minutes of global, and piracy gets no easier. All that happens is less dead time.


Lets turn that one on its head piracy is also a mechanic that is designed to annoy should we get rid of that to? My answer is of course no as griefing is rather fun and I do laugh every time I kill a hauler. If changing the timer from 15 to 5 minutes wouldn't make piracy any easier why is it that you yourself hide for 15 minutes so it would go away? If it was not inconveniencing you this would not be an annoyance to you. The GCC is not simply a tool of a pathetic attempt to protect, it is also a tool of punishment as in all station and gate guns shoot at you until it is up (adding on the extra minute or so if you stick around to loot for faction timer). I think it's just a misinterpretation of what the GCC is, it's not protection it is punishment.

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Are you daft? The only purpose of a 15 minute timer is dead time. That's a purpose, but it's a lame one, so get rid of it.


I can't recall the last time a GCC has forced dead time upon me. You position is flawed as well as your reasoning. You can travel gates in a frig with GCC (just don't dwadle) for crying out loud. You suck as a pirate ugh

OneTimeAt BannedSpank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
Posted - 2010.08.29 00:54:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Wait, you mean there IS a purpose for the timer? Rolling Eyes

Are you daft? The only purpose of a 15 minute timer is dead time. That's a purpose, but it's a lame one, so get rid of it.

He gets bored if you ignore him.

Daxx Arman
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.29 00:58:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
15 minutes for the Global Criminal Countdown is absurd. It serves no purpose past 5 minutes, other than to simply irritate and bore pirates.

For the love of God, please knock this overpowered beast back a notch or two.

Also, quit giving GCC to pirates who rep/assist pirates in their own corp. I realize the need to prevent alts from helping pirates as it is, and taking a sec status hit is fine, but don't give people a global for helping their corpmates. It's, again, nothing more than irritating.

Already smells like flaming carebears in here...



Another pirate crying cause he ain't got it his own way HTFU YOU GIRL!!!!

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.29 01:02:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: OneTimeAt BannedSpank
He gets bored if you ignore him.
You remind me of a little chihuahua that used to follow me around the forums, humping my leg.

Ki An, I think his name was.


OneTimeAt BannedSpank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
Posted - 2010.08.29 01:32:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Originally by: OneTimeAt BannedSpank
He gets bored if you ignore him.
You remind me of a little chihuahua that used to follow me around the forums, humping my leg.

Ki An, I think his name was.




Oh come on! You know it's true Wink

Koyama Ise
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.29 02:18:00 - [47]
 

Think of it like ice mining. You have a boring bit and an interesting bit, the boring bit is ice mining the interesting bit is not ice mining.

Seriously thought, saying the 15 minute GCC serves no purpose is stupid. It's to prevent you ganking another person/group of persons within 15 minutes of your last. If you cannot see this then you really should go do some ice mining as it should be around you mental capacity.

Now if you're still with me you might ask "why does it have to be so long?" and the answer is; everyone of these ganks you perform increases the chance of someone leaving the game. People don't generally like being ganked and if you could do it willy nilly it could start making a notable impact on people leaving.

Muad' Dib
Gallente
PWNED FACTOR HOLDINGS
Posted - 2010.08.29 03:07:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
15 minutes for the Global Criminal Countdown is absurd. It serves no purpose past 5 minutes, other than to simply irritate and bore pirates.

For the love of God, please knock this overpowered beast back a notch or two.

Also, quit giving GCC to pirates who rep/assist pirates in their own corp. I realize the need to prevent alts from helping pirates as it is, and taking a sec status hit is fine, but don't give people a global for helping their corpmates. It's, again, nothing more than irritating.

Already smells like flaming carebears in here...


So some of the tuskers have stepped out of frigs despite the possible decrease in :efficiency: and the result is a whine thread on eve-o.

u go tuskers !

Tellenta
Gallente
versic LLC
Posted - 2010.08.29 04:51:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Muad' Dib
Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
15 minutes for the Global Criminal Countdown is absurd. It serves no purpose past 5 minutes, other than to simply irritate and bore pirates.

For the love of God, please knock this overpowered beast back a notch or two.

Also, quit giving GCC to pirates who rep/assist pirates in their own corp. I realize the need to prevent alts from helping pirates as it is, and taking a sec status hit is fine, but don't give people a global for helping their corpmates. It's, again, nothing more than irritating.

Already smells like flaming carebears in here...


So some of the tuskers have stepped out of frigs despite the possible decrease in :efficiency: and the result is a whine thread on eve-o.

u go tuskers !


Go where, he need to safe up for the next 15 min.

RentableMuffin
Posted - 2010.08.29 05:01:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Jones Bones
Knock GCC down to 5 mins and increase aggression timers to 2 mins.

You'll see less gate/station lameness and more pee vee pee.


that would be interesting Twisted Evil

Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2010.08.29 07:36:00 - [51]
 

I just wanna let everyone in this thread know, that in spite of all of my "whining" and "crying", I would gladly wait 15 minutes for any of you. It's true, you all mean that much to me.

stankpod
Posted - 2010.08.29 07:53:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
Originally by: Tellenta

... 15 minutes is just long enough to be annoying which in my opinion is the whole point of the GCC.


Sound logic, let's keep a mechanic that is entirely designed to annoy..


Sounds like pirates (entirely designed to annoy you)

Kestrix
Posted - 2010.08.29 08:27:00 - [53]
 

The 15mins GCC is not 'dead time' think of it as an oppertunity to do something constructive like mining or ratting. You have a single track mind, it'll do you good to try to broaden your horizons.

Tressin Khiyne
Minmatar
The Tuskers
Posted - 2010.08.29 08:49:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Kestrix
The 15mins GCC is not 'dead time' think of it as an oppertunity to do something constructive like mining or ratting. You have a single track mind, it'll do you good to try to broaden your horizons.
Only worthwhile troll in the whole thread.

Scott Ryder
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.08.29 08:52:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Scott Ryder on 29/08/2010 08:54:04
MatrixSkye is a ****.

The timer is a bit too much yes.
lowsec needs love really, sec hits are to big aswell.

and before someone says go to nulsec. Nulsec is filled with carebears and 600 man lagfests.
Some people actually enjoy the smaller gangs in lowsec. Active areas provide good pvp daily and eve is supposed to be a pvp game.

Edit: Clarifiction on the statement "MatrixSkye is a ****"
Ive read all his whine posts. He does nothing but whining or trolling people that enjoy pvp.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.29 08:57:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
As I said before, GCC is intended to offer limited protection to people attacked unlawfully in lowsec

Yeah, you said it.
But that doesn't necessarily make it true.

All the GCC really does in my opinion is two things : it lets anybody else be able to shoot at you at first sight (but that's only relevant for fist-aggressors with secrating above -5) and has the NPC turrets shooting at you (which, unless you fly a flimsily tanked ship that aligns relatively slow, shouldn't matter all that much when traveling).
How exactly do you argue that a 15 min GCC timer offers any noticeable protection at all to people in the same system with you compared to a 1 second GCC timer and the usual aggression timer ?

If anything, in order to offer any meaningful protection, the timer would need to be increased radically, to, oh, say, 1 year. Twisted EvilLaughingTwisted Evil

Nah, seriously now, what it would make sense is split it into two timers : the "NPCs shooting at you" part (which could be reduced to a mere 2 minutes) and the "anybody can attack you" part (which should be increased radically to at least 24 hours).

Win Gemst
Posted - 2010.08.29 09:30:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Apollo Gabriel
Your pirate tears will be served at my next carebear tea party!

Thank you!

Apollo


I remember when my FW gang(all 3 of us) chased down and killed a very well known and outspoken forum/pirate *****..
Not the "decent" pirate type, but the one who always comes out with the cry moar noob, etc quote..

We chased through a few systems and caught up with her at a moon of all places..(SS fail)

Now those tears broadcast on local were so precious i will remember and hold them in my heart them forever.

The cries of unfair fight, gank squad and f***in noobs try f****n solo me,they still echo in my head till this day..

Whenever i see pirate tears, and especially this certain person rant away..i always picture the burning domi , and the impotent rants in local..

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.29 09:58:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Furb Killer on 29/08/2010 09:59:39
Originally by: Gashblight
Much rarer than care bear tears. Pirate tears are the sweetest of all.

Pirate tears are indeed very sweet while having surprisingly low amounts of sugar, so this should become a market hit as new sweetener.

However someone with good knowledge of pirate society can easily harvast their tears. I always recommend a battleship fitted with stabs, mwd and expanded cargoholds. MWD so you can gatecrash if needed, stabs are for generating huge amounts of tears, and expanded cargoholds to store them all.


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And to all you "screw pirates and what they want" people, I would remind you that pirates keep your game alive. 0.0 PVP is completely removed from empire babies. Pirates are the living threat that makes empire alive and exciting for newer, or less adventurous players. As much as you may hate them, your game would be less fulfilling without them. You have to admit that no mission or successful trade has been as exciting as the time you were chased by pirates and got away, or the gate camp you ran. We represent the only real threat in empire space, and in the back of your mind you know that eve is dangerous as a result. Make some friends, fit some cheap ships, and go out and attack a pirate (they'll fight), and win or lose I'm sure you'll have a whole new appreciation for what they offer your game.

TLDR: Not crying, piracy != 0.0, you need pirates.

I suppose you need to enter buildings via the cargo entrance so your ego can also enter?

Commoner
Caldari
The Tuskers
Posted - 2010.08.29 10:53:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Tressin Khiyne
As I said before, GCC is intended to offer limited protection to people attacked unlawfully in lowsec

Yeah, you said it.
But that doesn't necessarily make it true.

All the GCC really does in my opinion is two things : it lets anybody else be able to shoot at you at first sight (but that's only relevant for fist-aggressors with secrating above -5) and has the NPC turrets shooting at you (which, unless you fly a flimsily tanked ship that aligns relatively slow, shouldn't matter all that much when traveling).
How exactly do you argue that a 15 min GCC timer offers any noticeable protection at all to people in the same system with you compared to a 1 second GCC timer and the usual aggression timer ?

If anything, in order to offer any meaningful protection, the timer would need to be increased radically, to, oh, say, 1 year. Twisted EvilLaughingTwisted Evil

Nah, seriously now, what it would make sense is split it into two timers : the "NPCs shooting at you" part (which could be reduced to a mere 2 minutes) and the "anybody can attack you" part (which should be increased radically to at least 24 hours).



It's just an annoyance tbh, especially when you triger individual 15 min timers on every gate you pass through with GCC. Makes running home with 2min GCC left give you gate aggro for a full 15min with each gate.

I'd love your suggestion, the npc's for me, atleast is a huge annoyance because it's so easy to re-trigger a 15min timer on these places. 24 hours of free-shootage is nice too =)

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.29 11:14:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 29/08/2010 12:04:59
Originally by: Scott Ryder
Edit: Clarifiction on the statement "MatrixSkye is a ****"
Ive read all his whine posts. He does nothing but whining or trolling people that enjoy pvp.
All of my posts, you say? I'm honored.

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