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Jenny Tailia
Conquistador.
Posted - 2010.08.25 12:08:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Jenny Tailia on 25/08/2010 12:08:49
For far too long the proud, patriotic members of the Gallente Militia have had to cope with the Federation Navy's shambolic defence of our POLITICAL CAPITAL Villore. There are only two conclusions that can accomodate the outrageously low security status awarded to the system, either gross incompetency or treachery.

We have already lost our homeworld system due to treasonous elements within the Navy and a similar situation appears to be developing in Villore, where the enemy militia are brazenly attacking our brave capsulers with virtual impunity while the Federation Navy offers only token resistance. This outrage has to stop now!

Therefore we, the undersigned, demand that the security status of Villore be upgraded to a MINIMUM of 0.8 from the current paltry 0.5. We also challange any member of the Senate to justify the current woeful security rating given to our political capital.

Signed . . .

Setantii
Gallente
Conquistador.
Posted - 2010.08.25 12:10:00 - [2]
 

I wholeheartedly agree . .

Setantii.

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2010.08.25 13:29:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Jenny Tailia
...paltry 0.5...

There are some systems also of great significance to the founding of, history of and present day Federation that can only dream of a 0.5 security rating.

Originally by: Jenny Tailia
We also challange any member of the Senate to justify the current woeful security rating given to our political capital.

I would ask the same courtesy for the home system of a founding member of the Federation.

Despite open tension and indeed hostilities surrounding Caldari Prime, the Gallente home system of Luminaire enjoys a 1.0 rating. The Jin-Mei home system of Lirsautton is rated 0.8. The Mannar suffer quietly with their rating of 0.3 and little is heard in protest on their behalf.

And finally, close to my heart is the Intaki home system. Rated 0.1 for security.

Personally I agree that the Federation's capital system is deserving of a higher security rating, and should expect much improved attention on behalf of the Navy and shall add my name to the list.

Please note though, that previous comments regarding Intaki security have often been shouted down by some as if to accuse the entire population for it's difficulties rather than the capuleer pirates that plague the system. Because of these frankly hostile sentiments towards our home system, you may find that sympathy from some quarters is shortcoming.

Bataav

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2010.08.25 13:46:00 - [4]
 

Your parents must have hated you to name you that. I had a Jenny Tallia in high school. She went by Jennifer, for obvious reasons.

Annie Anomie
Shadows Of The Federation
Posted - 2010.08.25 21:13:00 - [5]
 

Why don't our "brave" capsuleers do something about it?

X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.08.25 23:16:00 - [6]
 

It would be better to have Villore drop in security status by 0.1. If done so, the exploitation of the rules set forth by CONCORD by Caldari militia members raiding Villore would not be possible.

In any case, don't fall into the "I am the victim" mentality of many pro-independence Intaki groups. Take your security into your own hands and do something about it.

Seriphyn Inhonores
Gallente
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2010.08.26 10:31:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Bataav
I would ask the same courtesy for the home system of a founding member of the Federation.

Despite open tension and indeed hostilities surrounding Caldari Prime, the Gallente home system of Luminaire enjoys a 1.0 rating. The Jin-Mei home system of Lirsautton is rated 0.8. The Mannar suffer quietly with their rating of 0.3 and little is heard in protest on their behalf.


I thought this matter was answered already.

Originally by: Vremaja Idama
The original Intaki representatives asked for minimal protection at the founding of the Federation. We have always valued our independance and self-reliance.


There is NO protest. It is the responsibility of the Intaki Assembly to petition CONCORD for greater protection, especially taking into consideration that Mordu's Legion now takes care of security.

As for Villore, the more veteran FDU elements base in lowsec instead, which is recommended to all allied militia pilots. Why 0.5? We forget security level is a CONCORD machination; would we really want maximum CONCORD influence in our own capital?

Artemis97
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.08.26 13:07:00 - [8]
 

I hear less protection in a place that needs more of it is the best course of action.

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2010.08.26 15:22:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
We forget security level is a CONCORD machination

Very true.

I think though that we can assume that the suggestion here is not for the Senate to change the security rating itself. It cannot do that as you have said. Instead I think this topic discusses the idea of approaching the Senate to prompt them to petition CONCORD itself.

As others have pointed out though, it is often the case that should capsuleers wish to tackle a piracy threat directly, lower security rated systems tend to offer the freedom to do so without the risk of CONCORD intervention against an aggressor rather than who is right or wrong.

Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
Originally by: Vremaja Idama
The original Intaki representatives asked for minimal protection at the founding of the Federation. We have always valued our independance and self-reliance.

There is NO protest. It is the responsibility of the Intaki Assembly to petition CONCORD for greater protection, especially taking into consideration that Mordu's Legion now takes care of security.

Oh I'm not suggesting otherwise. Of course it is an Assembly matter. I merely brought up the security ratings of these other home systems as a means to highlight the fact that actually 0.5 isn't so bad in comparison to some.

It is interesting that you bring up the fact that the Assembly of the time did indeed request a minimal level of protection from the Federation, with a minimal Navy presence as an aspect of this because we've just agreed that system security is a CONCORD matter.

One reason that CONCORD may currently rate Intaki at just 0.1 is due to it's proximity to The Syndicate. Or perhaps the inherant dangers that come with being close to the State border at a time of conflict between Federation and State is a factor.

The point is that at the time of the Assembly's assertion that they would retain responsibility for the system security CONCORD didn't exist. Piracy didn't exist on the scale it is now. After all Serpentis didn't exist. The Syndicate didn't exist. Hostilities with the State didn't exist because, well the State didn't exist. Do you see a pattern emerging?

Any reason that can be highlighted as a contributing factor towards the current low security rating of the Intaki system, did not apply at that time and so it is misleading to refer to this single point from generations ago as reasons for the situation today.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2010.08.26 15:46:00 - [10]
 

Bataav, I would like to bring up the matter of the Syndicate, as it is somewhat relevant to your point. It's one of the region's worst-kept secrets, really: a lot of business gets done with the Syndicate in and immediately around Intaki, even if it's never publicly acknowledged. In fact, if anything, I think it's at least a small part of why Intaki is so financially successful. You are familiar with the concepts of the grey market, and the "shadow economy", yes? The Syndicate and its members are most certainly, from an official standpoint, according to both the Intaki Assembly and the greater Federation, persona non grata in Intaki. However, the region's fairly lax state of security makes this close to, if not entirely a non-issue.

Having a fully-developed planetary production network across five of the worlds in the Intaki system, including the homeworld itself - I am very familiar with the amount of palm-greasing and backroom deals that occur between legal Federal citizens on Intaki and the various representatives of the Syndicate - and how much the legal markets of Intaki are... enriched by the grey and black trade that occurs with our brothers in exile.

I feel that this may be at least part of the reason - though they would never dare acknowledge it - why our dear Assembly has never petitioned for an increase in the system's security detail, as such... questionably legal trade would be much more difficult. Mark me - when you next watch a debate in the Intaki Assembly, closely watch any assemblyman who discusses anything related to the system's security with the words "minimal Federal interference in our affairs". You're almost guaranteed to find he has some interest in this shadow economy.

Bataav
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
Posted - 2010.08.27 21:52:00 - [11]
 

Andreus you are correct in your comments on the Syndicate, and yes I do fully understand that it's close proximity, provides some elements of Intaki society and it's economy with certain... "opportunities".

While the economy of the Homeworld itself benefits from a healthy service sector, and advanced manufacturing enjoys good levels of trade within the system, there are other neighbouring systems in the Viriette constellation which do not. We need only look to Harroule for example for a system with long established Intaki colonies that must deal with the challenges the Syndicate presents.

Whilst some individuals might benefit from contributing in the "shadow economy" that spans the Syndicate/Placid borders, there are plenty of citizens who do not. Not all of the trade is legal and many who find themselves under the scrutiny of the authorities are not necessarily willing participants. Such are the effects of violent piracy on haulage and goods transports on local trade, that those who suffer often turn to less than legal dealings out of desperation.

It was these challenges, and the view from outside the region that I referred to in my comments while mentioning the Syndicate and it's influence on local security.

Arvo Katsuya
Caldari
True Slave Foundations
Posted - 2010.08.27 22:55:00 - [12]
 

I see it as bait.

There are likely other reasons besides it being in close proximity to Syndicate space, for why Intaki is only 0.1 by CONCORD's protection. Perhaps you will make a petition, and they'll likely claim they don't have the resources for it despite it being in their very backyard to their headquarters. That they may need more control over our personal information and daily lives than they already do.

While their other interests like Solitude, which has zero CONCORD stations in the entire region, has protected areas of high-sec. It's not a matter or resources and how to arrive on scene.

It's selective.


 

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