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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.25 19:39:00 - [31]
 

I prefer being able to upgrade my hardware so my computer stays top of the line for many years and still costs less Very Happy

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.25 20:10:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Super Whopper
Edited by: Super Whopper on 25/08/2010 18:29:33
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Their OS is still superior to Windows. That does not mean much however.


The only thing superior to Linux is Linux itself.

Anyway how long did it take for Apple to get hacked at the last hacker convention? Look it up and you'll see how superior Apple are to Windows. They're so super they refuse to fix security holes for years and are now recommending Antivirus and if they're not they're responsible for their gullible cult followers for getting hacked and conned on the net.

Anyway, Apple are in bed with MS and that's pretty obvious, so, all this fanboy arguing is a waste of time. The only thing that matters is that Apple want to milk their customers far more than anyone else. That is why I refuse to buy any crApple products.

CrApple? Orly? Nah, I'm joking, the constant battery fiasco's of the iPods and iPhones are a figment of my imagination. No wait... they had to pay the sheeple back because they were facing a massive class action suit they couldn't possibly have won Embarassed

Originally by: London
Not to mention Mac's are built with pretty much all aluminium and glass materials, and the screens don't use the ****ty TN panels with horrible color reproduction like 99% of all LCDs out there.


Indeed, what would we do without yellowing screens?

I love it when you guys come on these forums to defend crApple when that company constantly sends out defective screens without even looking at
them because 'new features sell better than polished ones'. Damned! CCP been taking lessons from Apple? Shocked

I have a five year old iPod and it's the last Apple product I've bought and will buy. I absolutely hate that **** iTunes and use a Winamp plugin. The battery died years ago and won't hold a charge, even though it's hardly been used, but then that's by design. And I use my Omnia II for music and everything else, since I can simply drag and drop. Also I have Copy and Paste, something I can't live without, and can run 8 programs on it simultaneously despite it's 256MB RAM. I'd love to see the much more expensive iFail 3G****e do that.


Any system able to be accessed is able to be compromised. Fact.

Linux, MacOS, Windows. In order from most secure to least secure, again a fact.

I am certainly not defending anything but the freedom of choice.

While I do not use windows I do not fail to recognize that if you've got mad skills you can make a hella secure gaming box out of any of the three.

If you gots mad skills like superfly you can use a linux box as your router to your windows PC.

And with freedom of choice comes the freedom to be stupid.

Sig Sour
Posted - 2010.08.25 20:40:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Pix Severus
Macs are for braindead morons who are too stupid to assemble their own computer.


I build my own PC's, I also have Apple computers. People who take such strong stand points seem to be the "brain dead morons" from where I'm sitting.

London
Imminent Ruin
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2010.08.25 22:41:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Sig Sour
Originally by: Pix Severus
Macs are for braindead morons who are too stupid to assemble their own computer.


I build my own PC's, I also have Apple computers. People who take such strong stand points seem to be the "brain dead morons" from where I'm sitting.


AMEN brotha. I am in the same boat, I use both a custom built PC and a Macbook Pro/iMac.

Jesslyn Daggererux
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2010.08.25 23:01:00 - [35]
 

mac is not much more secure, if any. they are just targeted less. i will tell you what is pretty inferior. i got an iphone. i had always just gotten crappy free phones before this. i decided i wanted something that did stuff. i didnt even know the stuff it could do but i figured everyone was selling kidneys and stealing purses to own one of these, so it must be good stuff. i got a 3g just before the 3gs came out. these are my experiences. first week.

several times ive had to restart it. either it froze, or wouldnt load anything. mac users like to poke jabs at windows for restart issues? this is a phone. its complex, sure. fine. but its not capable of as many things, or as many failures as a desktop. you can call it minimalist, but its like a thin used bar of soap too. no form sitting design. its a lack of design. i had a phone in high school with more effort made in design. sure, when using it to view a webpage the flat design is okay. not as a phone. speaking of design flaws, loliphone 4 with your "dont hold this phone like a phone" 'superior attention to hardware and aesthetics'.

second week. tried to send a picture. couldnt find out how. oh wait...you CANT? oh good there is an update. okay now just to....huh. they didnt receive it. turns out only other iphones can. great. work around: google it and find out how to send it as an email. well then its not a MMS. its an email. duly noted for false advertising. oh? i need to know their carrier just to know how to do this work around? great work apple. you have a current gen phone unable to utilize a major function any phone costing 1/4 of much can do.

third week. i decide i want to try out music. i remember now i bought an apple device and get itunes. hate myself the whole installation long. argue with a poorly designed program over a terrible idea known as sync, instead of "let me tell you what i want on there, and dont bother me if i remove songs from my library".

fourth week. i realize theres TONS of cool apps. that are locked out because apple is afraid of user generated content, but at the same time is not. also, they seem to allow buggy software into the store with no QC, making the closed tight anus that is the app store seem useless.

year later. i still get itunes update popups for crap like safari. i dont even remember installing safari. i wish it would leave me alone.

i want so much to get rid of this crappy excuse for an OMFGZORZ 1337 PHONE! apple is not a good company from the hardware, design, or support viewpoint ($250 for a new plastic screen because of a small crack? no). fanboys love apple for reasons that must be beyond my tiny brain.

i wanted a phone that works. that doesnt NEED to be restarted a couple times a week because of shoddy hardware. that can send pictures without a huge annoying workaround and having to ask friends "who is your carrier?" while being unable to receive some peoples MMS. i dont WANT to use itunes because its annoying as hell! other devices have long since moved beyond such poor design.

design. the same thing the fanboys claim they pay for. its not good design if what you design doesnt work. i look forward to getting a blackberry, or some other phone without a multitude of design and hardware flaws. and this is a PHONE. the OS on it is a trimmed down version of the normal OS. and yet it fails MORE than any pc ive ever owned, no matter how virus ridden it may have been. they suck. stop lying about stability and design, because they just arent there.

teh mole
Posted - 2010.08.25 23:04:00 - [36]
 

Quote:
Linux, MacOS, Windows. In order from most secure to least secure, again a fact.


lol You aren't in IT I take it. Mac OS X is the least secure operating system. Linux isn't far behind. Windows is much more secure in comparison.

Generally patches go like this for Linux, Windows, and MAC OS.

Linux = Dude: I found this... uh..
2~6 months later
Some other dude: Found a bug somebody has been exploiting for ages!

Mac OS X = Apple: Bugs lol we haz Unix. No bugs we are invincible.
Bug reported in Wall street Journal. Apple Shares down 0.1%
Apple Releases ninja patch without telling anyone.
Apple: Bug?! What bug? WE HAZ UNIX!!1!

Windows = Microsoft: We release patches every first Tuesday of the month. We also have a massive team of bug hunters and have a team of security professionals that monitor and test for exploits daily. If a exploit is deemed critical we release a patch as soon as possible.

Blood Ghost
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.08.26 00:29:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Blood Ghost on 26/08/2010 00:31:16
Originally by: Cipher Jones

Linux, MacOS, Windows. In order from most secure to least secure, again a fact.



Just thought I'd pick on this one. The actual order is:
Window / Linux, MacOS

There's even the famous quote "Macs are safer, but less secure" which Apple acknowledges. We even ban Macs from intranet access at the bank we work at.
Having said that the number one security flaw is the users typically.

Carry on!


edit: Bah missed the post above mind Embarassed


Genya Arikaido
Posted - 2010.08.26 03:22:00 - [38]
 

*Just setup his machine to tripleboot for Gentoo Linux, MacOSX 10.6.5 (Snow Leopard), and Windows 7*

In VMware....no, you don't want to go there.... Laughing

Doing the treble boot thing was just because I could, really. I wanted to prove the point that is was possible to run all 3 on a normal custom built Core i7 PC (ergo, not mac hardware) in a very stable, if not completely reliable, state.

Using all three has actually been rather fun, I even installed EVE for all three to check performance. I was amused that Win7 and Linux virtually tied for performance, whereas the Mac install suffered a number of graphical issues...as well as UI/input problems. My brother verified that these issues were not related to running a hackintosh (as it were), by running EVE on a macbook pro.

My only and single gripe about Apple, is their unwillingness to open their OS to install on any PC. It works great on anything from old P4s and Athlon XPs right up to the newest Core and Phenom series. Some hardware configs have issues, but that's just because all driver support is currently community driven.

Why is that my gripe? Mac hardware is good stuff, I'll grant them that. However, I can get the same quality, performance, and sometimes even get it cheaper, in a more common brand of laptop or a custom built PC. I'd rather see them compete on the hardware and software levels separately than try and force an ultra-proprietary system on me, should I need/want the MacOS.

Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2010.08.26 03:46:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Admiral Pelleon on 26/08/2010 03:46:20
Originally by: London
Yeah, eve looks nice on that 27" IPS panel iMac.

Originally by: Brian Ballsack
isnt the only reason people buy these things to look super cool ?


I know this is like shoveling **** against the tide at this place, but your paying for good design in both product engineering, software, and aesthetics. As a designer, I can appreciate the level of detail and beautiful minimalism that Apple produces versus the rather tacky, plastic, glowing-neon PCs with a thousand extra useless buttons and gadgets hanging off them that are out there.

Not to mention Mac's are built with pretty much all aluminium and glass materials, and the screens don't use the ****ty TN panels with horrible color reproduction like 99% of all LCDs out there.

There is a reason why so many PC companies copy Apple's beautiful aesthetic design.

But all you lot care about is the hardware and you still don't understand why a Mac costs more, I get it... don't worry.


The hardware is the only thing worth paying for in a computer, if you like paying twice the price for the same performance then good for you.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2010.08.26 07:28:00 - [40]
 

ITT: people trying to justify their Alienware purchases by complaining that Macs are expensive junk.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2010.08.26 07:42:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Jesslyn Daggererux
speaking of design flaws, loliphone 4 with your "dont hold this phone like a phone" 'superior attention to hardware and aesthetics'.


Every other phone on the market has "don't touch it here" either in the user manual or on the phone itself.

Quote:
second week. tried to send a picture. couldnt find out how. oh wait...you CANT? oh good there is an update. okay now just to....huh. they didnt receive it. turns out only other iphones can.


The problem here is that the network provider has to provide translations between the MMS formats of every phone on their network. Every time you send an MMS, it gets decoded by your provider, sent in a common format to the recipient's provider, who then encodes in the format(s) supported by the recipient's phone, and finally sends the block of data to the recipient.

Sometimes the providers forget little things like, "this phone can only receive images less than 600x400px, it cannot receive 400x600px, and it has to be less than 20kB in total."

Quote:
google it and find out how to send it as an email.


Technically speaking, MMS is just bastardised MIME, which each handset manufacturer bastardises in their own special way. So really, it would help if all the phones would stick to the one standard.

Quote:
you have a current gen phone unable to utilize a major function any phone costing 1/4 of much can do.


How many of the current-gen phones at the time had decent web browsers which were capable of browsing sites not specifically designed for their browser?

Quote:
argue with a poorly designed program over a terrible idea known as sync, instead of "let me tell you what i want on there, and dont bother me if i remove songs from my library".


You want the "manually manage music on this device" option, or a different piece of software such as the dozens of iTunes-alikes available for Linux.

Quote:
($250 for a new plastic screen because of a small crack?


Plastic? The iPhone's front face is glass. Not just any glass, a special glass that can handle more flexing, more impact and more pressure than other types of glasses. From memory it's called "gorilla glass" - one of the last technologies we reverse engineered from the Roswell ship.

You could have replaced it yourself for about $US60 if you had asked around. I chose the $250 option because that gave me a new case and glass, and my old case was badly scratched.

The rest of your frustration with the device comes from not letting it do the job it was designed to do. You've been programmed by Windows to accept that you are supposed to tweak every little control in order to get a user experience that you can enjoy.

Yes, iTunes on Windows is a jarring experience because Apple decided to simply port iTunes to that OS. The UI is entirely different to what Windows users are used to.

Kara Sharalien
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2010.08.26 07:51:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: London

But all you lot care about is the hardware and you still don't understand why a Mac costs more, I get it... don't worry.


Actually, what we care about is value for money. If macs were overpriced, but still outperformed the best PC you could make, a bit like a Bugatti is way more then most people could afford, but beats the **** out of any family car you could buy, they would be justified.

Thing is, a mac costs more then a PC and generally performs worse. It would be as if that Bugatti could not out-perform a Daihatsu Charade. Thats why people don't buy macs. You can make that Bugatti look just as pretty as you like, but at the end of the day, if the Charade goes faster, people will buy the Charade.

Rn Bonnet
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.08.26 08:15:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Rn Bonnet on 26/08/2010 08:15:37
Too bad running 2x eve clients on osx results in the os running like a pentium II.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.26 08:38:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: teh mole
Quote:
Linux, MacOS, Windows. In order from most secure to least secure, again a fact.


lol You aren't in IT I take it. Mac OS X is the least secure operating system. Linux isn't far behind. Windows is much more secure in comparison.

Generally patches go like this for Linux, Windows, and MAC OS.

Linux = Dude: I found this... uh..
2~6 months later
Some other dude: Found a bug somebody has been exploiting for ages!

Mac OS X = Apple: Bugs lol we haz Unix. No bugs we are invincible.
Bug reported in Wall street Journal. Apple Shares down 0.1%
Apple Releases ninja patch without telling anyone.
Apple: Bug?! What bug? WE HAZ UNIX!!1!

Windows = Microsoft: We release patches every first Tuesday of the month. We also have a massive team of bug hunters and have a team of security professionals that monitor and test for exploits daily. If a exploit is deemed critical we release a patch as soon as possible.


You are out of your ****ing mind.

Intense Thinker
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.26 09:04:00 - [45]
 

Mac OSX haz security? Razz

Torakenat
Posted - 2010.08.26 09:06:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones


You are out of your ****ing mind.


He's not far from the truth tbh...

btw...fisherpricepc (macs) are can be really awesome for specific purposes.

Whereas IBM compatible machines are excellent multi-purpose machines, Fisherpricepc's (macs) can really excel in video/music editing.

BTW, i advise anyone new to "futuristic electronic devices" to pick up a fisherpricePC (mac) to get use to the 21st century.


Flibertygibbet
Posted - 2010.08.26 09:38:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 25/08/2010 12:47:12
Originally by: Pix Severus
Macs All branded computers are for braindead morons who are too stupid to assemble their own computer.
Fix'd. Although, it's more about laziness or some other presumed time prioritisation than about brains…

Oh, and as for being locked down — I take it you've never experienced the horror that was late '90s Dells. Brrr… ugh


YEAH! and all branded automobiles are for people too STUPID and LAZY to build their own custom cars.

And all branded clothing is for people too STUPID and LAZY to sew/stitch their own clothing.

And etc etc.

Darodyer Yerum
Posted - 2010.08.26 09:39:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Darodyer Yerum on 26/08/2010 09:39:43
What are all those people complaining about? If you don't want it, don't buy it (also, we're talking computers here, leave that crap about phones etc for another topic/forum).

If you haven't worked with both platforms you shouldn't be talking about pro's and con's both platforms have as in my opinion, Apple really shines with its OS, while it's the other way around when using a (home- or pre-build) PC with Windows. At home I use my home-build PC running Win7 purely for browsing and gaming which is perfect on that, but for work (software development) I couldn't imagine using Windows.

Linux might be even better suited for my work, but then I lose a lot in usability (my opinion, a Linux guru can probably create the same 'feel' that OSX has).

Also, looks and durability is something I would pay a bit extra for, I never liked any other notebook (except a few Sonys or IBM systems) with all their holes, connectors, buttons, lights, rubber paddings on the screen, hinges, enormous plastic bezels, clunky adaptors, horrible colors, noises, fragile dvd-players and most of all, the *** bloat-ware that is a current trend (for all brands that I know).

God how much I hate that crap, sometimes they even put 2 different demo versions of anti-virus on it. I can already feel my blood pressure rise when starting a new notebook for the first time, yuck!

BIZZAROSTORMY
Posted - 2010.08.26 09:40:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Kara Sharalien
Originally by: London

But all you lot care about is the hardware and you still don't understand why a Mac costs more, I get it... don't worry.


Actually, what we care about is value for money. If macs were overpriced, but still outperformed the best PC you could make, a bit like a Bugatti is way more then most people could afford, but beats the **** out of any family car you could buy, they would be justified.

Thing is, a mac costs more then a PC and generally performs worse. It would be as if that Bugatti could not out-perform a Daihatsu Charade. Thats why people don't buy macs. You can make that Bugatti look just as pretty as you like, but at the end of the day, if the Charade goes faster, people will buy the Charade.


Continuing the car analogy - so people who Buy Audi's or Merc's or Beamers are jerks because they dont drive drag racers to work, or build their own stock cars?

Soraya Nol
Posted - 2010.08.26 10:29:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Mara Rinn
ITT: people trying to justify their Alienware purchases by complaining that Macs are expensive junk.



People who don't buy macs don't automaticly buy alienware. People who do buy macs do automaticly buy crap in a shiney box.

JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.08.26 10:45:00 - [51]
 


Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.08.26 10:58:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Flibertygibbet
Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 25/08/2010 12:47:12
Originally by: Pix Severus
Macs All branded computers are for braindead morons who are too stupid to assemble their own computer.
Fix'd. Although, it's more about laziness or some other presumed time prioritisation than about brains…

Oh, and as for being locked down — I take it you've never experienced the horror that was late '90s Dells. Brrr… ugh


YEAH! and all branded automobiles are for people too STUPID and LAZY to build their own custom cars.

And all branded clothing is for people too STUPID and LAZY to sew/stitch their own clothing.

And etc etc.


ah unlucky, you bought a Dell didnt you ?

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.08.26 11:28:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Soraya Nol
Originally by: Mara Rinn
ITT: people trying to justify their Alienware purchases by complaining that Macs are expensive junk.
People who don't buy macs don't automaticly buy alienware. People who do buy macs do automaticly buy crap in a shiney box.
…but so do people who buy Alienwares — that's the whole point. Macs just get to bear the brunt of the fury because of the smugness of Apple's PR.

When it comes to security, there's a distinction that needs to be made between the NT5 and the NT6 releases. The former was inherently insecure due to how MS chose to default everything to "stupid", whereas the second did not… to the same extent. OSX lies somewhere between the two — it's inherent security model was far better, but they poked holes in it for convenience (just look at the kind of inter-app control you can have through something as simple as Automator). In NT6, MS moved to a more fenced-in model, but got bit hard in the face by having accustomed both users and a whole generation of incompetent developers to having free reign over the entire system, and neither of the two could wrap their head around the idea of running in a limited mode (hence all the UAC idiocy). Now that they've begun to properly sandbox every app and force developers to either work in limited mode or get kicked off the market, Windows have taken huge leaps ahead.

…and as for phones — there's a reason I carry an E71 over an iPhone. Razz

Blackjack Turner
Caldari
State Protectorate
Posted - 2010.08.26 12:26:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: London
Yeah, eve looks nice on that 27" IPS panel iMac.

Originally by: Brian Ballsack
isnt the only reason people buy these things to look super cool ?


I know this is like shoveling **** against the tide at this place, but your paying for good design in both product engineering, software, and aesthetics. As a designer, I can appreciate the level of detail and beautiful minimalism that Apple produces versus the rather tacky, plastic, glowing-neon PCs with a thousand extra useless buttons and gadgets hanging off them that are out there.

Not to mention Mac's are built with pretty much all aluminium and glass materials, and the screens don't use the ****ty TN panels with horrible color reproduction like 99% of all LCDs out there.

There is a reason why so many PC companies copy Apple's beautiful aesthetic design.

But all you lot care about is the hardware and you still don't understand why a Mac costs more, I get it... don't worry.


PC stands for Personal Computer. A Mac is a PC. ugh

Lord XSiV
Amarr
Kodar Innovations
Posted - 2010.08.26 12:30:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: teh mole
Quote:
Linux, MacOS, Windows. In order from most secure to least secure, again a fact.


lol You aren't in IT I take it. Mac OS X is the least secure operating system. Linux isn't far behind. Windows is much more secure in comparison.

Generally patches go like this for Linux, Windows, and MAC OS.

Linux = Dude: I found this... uh..
2~6 months later
Some other dude: Found a bug somebody has been exploiting for ages!

Mac OS X = Apple: Bugs lol we haz Unix. No bugs we are invincible.
Bug reported in Wall street Journal. Apple Shares down 0.1%
Apple Releases ninja patch without telling anyone.
Apple: Bug?! What bug? WE HAZ UNIX!!1!

Windows = Microsoft: We release patches every first Tuesday of the month. We also have a massive team of bug hunters and have a team of security professionals that monitor and test for exploits daily. If a exploit is deemed critical we release a patch as soon as possible.


You are out of your ****ing mind.


Uh no, he is actually correct. Macs are pretty much the least secure commercially available option out there.

And just like all of your troll forum posting, you aren't qualified to have an opinion on the subject anyhow. I on the other hand do.

As for the mac fanbois out there, they suck. And I do have a couple mac products just so I can say they suck. If you are really that stupid to pay a 3x premium so the most evil man in the world (yes Steve jobs is evil) can control how you do things and make decisions for you then by all means continue to be a sheep.

For some clarification and points to add to the discussion, apple doesn't even design their computing line - it is outsourced to an asian company. It is one of the main 3 laptop manufacturers that builds the macbooks; apple has no capability whatsoever. In fact, if you are savvy enough then you can actually get non-apple branded hardware that has better components than what apple sells. Want a true quad core proc in your laptop? Sure you can get one but it isn't coming from apple....

Concerning the OS - MacOS is just ripped off fbsd core (yes stolen from the open source community) with an ugly gui slapped on top. The supposed 'security reputation' comes from that of the bsd world, however apple has screwed up the foundation so badly that it is insecure by default. Mac users, oblivious to anything obvious to begin with, wouldn't know if they were infected with something or not. Then again mac users don't contribute anything useful to the world so it isn't like it is a big deal.

As for other hardware, my 30" LG W3000H monitors are far better than the far more expensive apple cinemas that were given to me. All apple hardware can't really be taken seriously anyway since they use the lowest end components of a product line (see video card, ram, etc) and mark it up 300-500%. Basically anyone buying the stuff either doesn't have a clue or has some strange infatuation with the mac community.


Addrake
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2010.08.26 12:41:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Addrake on 26/08/2010 13:01:49
Originally by: London

But all you lot care about is the hardware and you still don't understand why a Mac costs more, I get it... don't worry.


*/Pets his homely linux box that services his entire household, isn't seen, and doesn't break.*/

Not worried at all. As a matter of fact, I'm going to go buy a lap dance with the money I saved.

PS. If I wanted freeBSD, I'd put it on my damn machine myself.

Sinister Dextor
Posted - 2010.08.26 12:50:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Blackjack Turner
Originally by: London
Yeah, eve looks nice on that 27" IPS panel iMac.

Originally by: Brian Ballsack
isnt the only reason people buy these things to look super cool ?


I know this is like shoveling **** against the tide at this place, but your paying for good design in both product engineering, software, and aesthetics. As a designer, I can appreciate the level of detail and beautiful minimalism that Apple produces versus the rather tacky, plastic, glowing-neon PCs with a thousand extra useless buttons and gadgets hanging off them that are out there.

Not to mention Mac's are built with pretty much all aluminium and glass materials, and the screens don't use the ****ty TN panels with horrible color reproduction like 99% of all LCDs out there.

There is a reason why so many PC companies copy Apple's beautiful aesthetic design.

But all you lot care about is the hardware and you still don't understand why a Mac costs more, I get it... don't worry.


PC stands for Personal Computer. A Mac is a PC. ugh


That's pretty embarrassing, you want to edit your post now, or after you realise how dumb you are?

Aineko Macx
Posted - 2010.08.26 13:19:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: "Londo"
but your paying for good design in both product engineering, software, and aesthetics.

I concede those points, but you are first and foremost paying a premium for shareholder value.

Quote:
Not to mention Mac's are built with pretty much all aluminium

Because there are no aluminium cases for PC, right?

Quote:
and the screens don't use the ****ty TN panels with horrible color reproduction like 99% of all LCDs out there

Actually, for IPS panels they are rather average. You need to do some serious calibration for accurate color reproduction, and still for professional graphics they're not good enough.

Quote:
There is a reason why so many PC companies copy Apple's beautiful aesthetic design.

And don't know about you, but the products coming in pimp white toilet seat plastic make me wanna puke (both Apple and copycats).

Speaking as an owner of one MBP and many PCs, Apples support is less than stellar and with everything Apple I cannot shake the feeling of being treated like cattle that is there to be milked.

Darodyer Yerum
Posted - 2010.08.26 13:28:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Lord XSiV
Originally by: Cipher Jones
Originally by: teh mole
Quote:
Linux, MacOS, Windows. In order from most secure to least secure, again a fact.


lol You aren't in IT I take it. Mac OS X is the least secure operating system. Linux isn't far behind. Windows is much more secure in comparison.

Generally patches go like this for Linux, Windows, and MAC OS.

Linux = Dude: I found this... uh..
2~6 months later
Some other dude: Found a bug somebody has been exploiting for ages!

Mac OS X = Apple: Bugs lol we haz Unix. No bugs we are invincible.
Bug reported in Wall street Journal. Apple Shares down 0.1%
Apple Releases ninja patch without telling anyone.
Apple: Bug?! What bug? WE HAZ UNIX!!1!

Windows = Microsoft: We release patches every first Tuesday of the month. We also have a massive team of bug hunters and have a team of security professionals that monitor and test for exploits daily. If a exploit is deemed critical we release a patch as soon as possible.


You are out of your ****ing mind.


Uh no, he is actually correct. Macs are pretty much the least secure commercially available option out there.

And just like all of your troll forum posting, you aren't qualified to have an opinion on the subject anyhow. I on the other hand do.

As for the mac fanbois out there, they suck. And I do have a couple mac products just so I can say they suck. If you are really that stupid to pay a 3x premium so the most evil man in the world (yes Steve jobs is evil) can control how you do things and make decisions for you then by all means continue to be a sheep.

For some clarification and points to add to the discussion, apple doesn't even design their computing line - it is outsourced to an asian company. It is one of the main 3 laptop manufacturers that builds the macbooks; apple has no capability whatsoever. In fact, if you are savvy enough then you can actually get non-apple branded hardware that has better components than what apple sells. Want a true quad core proc in your laptop? Sure you can get one but it isn't coming from apple....

Concerning the OS - MacOS is just ripped off fbsd core (yes stolen from the open source community) with an ugly gui slapped on top. The supposed 'security reputation' comes from that of the bsd world, however apple has screwed up the foundation so badly that it is insecure by default. Mac users, oblivious to anything obvious to begin with, wouldn't know if they were infected with something or not. Then again mac users don't contribute anything useful to the world so it isn't like it is a big deal.

As for other hardware, my 30" LG W3000H monitors are far better than the far more expensive apple cinemas that were given to me. All apple hardware can't really be taken seriously anyway since they use the lowest end components of a product line (see video card, ram, etc) and mark it up 300-500%. Basically anyone buying the stuff either doesn't have a clue or has some strange infatuation with the mac community.




lol, that rambling of yours sounds like you're either reading to many forums (since everyone bashes Apple these days and your reasons are just dripping of troll), very inexperienced with using computers, very jealous of people who can actually use a computer (apple, linux, whatever) and be productive or just unable to save money for an Apple because you have to replace your crappy Dell 3 times a year.

Apple does design their own products, but, like most brands, outsource their production, obviously. They use their own designed mainboards unlike many brands who use reference designs (which isn't a bad thing though).

"Want a true 12 cilinder in your Prius? Sure, buts it not coming from Toyota" Confused

Yes, their business model regarding upgrades and extra's kinda needs an overhaul (sucks that you can't use your own graphics card in a Mac Pro for instance) but this is the case of many other manufacturers.

Gareth Angel
Gallente
Eve Space Exploration Guild
Posted - 2010.08.26 13:43:00 - [60]
 

In my studio, I will have nothing else besides Apple (well, maybe my old Atari 1040ST...), and video-editing performs great on them as well.

For all other stuff, I have a PC (Windows 7 64bit atm).

Works for me.

See? No bashing! I win!


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