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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.25 01:27:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 26/08/2010 21:19:33

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DISCLAIMER : I am in no way affiliated with eveboard.com nor Chribba.
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Initial title : "Chribba's EVEBoard - why aren't you using it ?"

For those of you that don't know what I'm talking about, it's this:
http://eveboard.com

It's a much more stable site (both from a hardware standpoint and general trustworthiness of the operator) compared to most other older sites (some of which are now defunct) like inEve or evesheet, which had a lot more users.
It also provides the option to hide just about anything from the general public if you so wish, leaving visible only a handful of things, everything else being used only for anonymous statistics... and you only need to enter the LIMITED API key.

You can even make info about your character ONLY visible if viewer knows the password you have set (so, basically, just friends you tell the password to, easier than giving them the API key anyway).
You'd basically only contribute to anonymous statistics, and have an easier time getting friends to check your character.


Personally, I have absolutely nothing set as hidden on my character, but I'm quite partial to the accuracy of anonymous statistics, so the more people participate (even if they choose to hide almost everything), the more accurate those statistics get.

Right now, it tracks little under 20k active pilots (out of the estimated roughly 700k that exist), so only roughly 3% of the total population.


So... if you aren't using it... can you let us know why not AND what changes/improvements/tweaks COULD make you want to use it (if anything) ?
It's one thing to not use it because it does nothing for you (that can be fixed by making it do something useful FOR YOU), but it's a completely different thing to not use it because you're scared something bad might happen if you do (even if there are ways to make sure nothing would).
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EDIT: See post #4 a bit below for F.A.Q.

omgfreemoniez
Posted - 2010.08.25 01:29:00 - [2]
 

Because I don't want people to be able to know what skills I have.

Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
Posted - 2010.08.25 01:31:00 - [3]
 

But I am

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.25 01:32:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 26/08/2010 21:14:59
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Originally by: omgfreemoniez
Because I don't want people to be able to know what skills I have.

Then use the option to HIDE your skills from the public.
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FROM LATER ON IN THE THREAD...
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Originally by: alittlebirdy
[...snip...]LOL[...]This makes looking up killboard info look like child’s place.[...snip...]

Two-part challenge for you...
Using *only* eveboard.com, where everything is set visible on my character, tell me what exactly do expect me to be flying and how any of that would give you some advantage over me.
Then, explain how you would be harmed if you activated eveboard for your own character, but with EVERYTHING HIDDEN, so you'd just be using the anonymous statistics (or telling the password to friends you want to be able to check on you). EXAMPLE: see http://eveboard.com/pilot/Liang_Nuren


Originally by: Catherine Frasier
How could anyone need it? (Other than, as mentioned, for the pernicious practice of selling characters (which I hate to see supported in any way, shape or form.))

I, for one, *hate* to add characters that are not mine to EVEMon, for various reasons which I don't feel need getting into right now. I do get the occasional request to "look at the skills, tell me what I should train", and I get it often enough to make it annoying to go through EVEMon.
I might also occasionally want to check somebody's skills (not necessarily mine) from a machine that doesn't even have EVEMon installed. Or the EVE API could be down for the moment while EVEBoard is still up and has the data cached.
Also, I like the statistics. I like them a lot, actually.
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And why do you care?

Did I mention I like the statistics ?
And do you know statistics have this funny way of being more accurate when more people are included in them ?

Originally by: Molokhe
To OP, rather then ask why we're not using it or what would make us use it, how about you tell us why we would want to? How would it improve my Eve experience?

I already told you why you might probably want to use it (and I'll repeat it in a sec, maybe add some more reasons), but I'm not a mindreader to know what you personally consider worth using or not, and that's why I'm asking.

Reasons to use it:
* all the nifty statistics
* as alternative for EVEMon (including the caching for when the EVE API is down) on machines you don't have (or can't have, or don't want to have) EVEMon on
* so much easier to remember a very short and easy link (and maybe also password) than to remember API details

Reasons to NOT use it:
* don't need it
* too lazy to bother securing it
* above-EVE-norm paranoia

omgfreemoniez
Posted - 2010.08.25 01:34:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: omgfreemoniez
Because I don't want people to be able to know what skills I have.

Then use the option to HIDE your skills from the public.



But then what's the point? If you're not going to use it to show off because of the security risk, then why use it at all?

w0rmy
Destructive Influence
Posted - 2010.08.25 01:36:00 - [6]
 

I'll tell you why I am not using it, right after you explain to me why I should be.



Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.25 01:37:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 25/08/2010 01:38:59
Originally by: omgfreemoniez
But then what's the point? If you're not going to use it to show off because of the security risk, then why use it at all?

Originally by: w0rmy
I'll tell you why I am not using it, right after you explain to me why I should be.

For the anonymous statistics Smile

Besides... it's not like random PvP encounters will result in people insta-ckecking eveboard to see what skills you have while engaging.
And just by checking killboards (not even yours, just some of people you engaged in PvP with... or, hell, just battleclinic) other people can also determine not only roughly what skills you have, but also what you prefer to fly.
So it's not really that big of a security risk anyway.

Hari Markkus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.08.25 01:38:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Akita T
So... if you aren't using it... can you let us know why not ?

Unless I am selling a character, nobody needs to see the skills of any of my characters, so they don't get to.

If Eve was an altruistic place, where being nice is the norm, then I might. But it is a nasty place where some people take great pleasure in causing other people grief. Knowing exactly what skill their victim has would be a great help in this. So I don't give them the opportunity to find out.

If you have a look at my public certificates then you will an idea of the skills I have, well at least the ones I want you to know I have.



Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
Posted - 2010.08.25 01:40:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: w0rmy
I'll tell you why I am not using it, right after you explain to me why I should be.





Asking Akita to give you a constructive answer is like asking a Willow why it's branches are drooping (I love Willow trees by the way).

Doppleganger
Minmatar
Band of Builders Inc.
Sodalitas XX
Posted - 2010.08.25 01:40:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Akita T

So... if you aren't using it... can you let us know why not ?



I am ..... no reason not to Cool

omgfreemoniez
Posted - 2010.08.25 01:42:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: omgfreemoniez
But then what's the point? If you're not going to use it to show off because of the security risk, then why use it at all?

For the anonymous statistics Smile

Besides... it's not like random PvP encounters will result in people insta-ckecking eveboard to see what skills you have while engaging. And just by checking killboards (not even yours, just some of people you engaged in PvP with) other people can also determine not just roughly what skills you have, but also what you prefer to fly.




OK here's a better reason then: It makes me feel bad to see how bad I am compared to everyone else. (I'm not #1 in a single category, feels bad man).

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.25 01:42:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 25/08/2010 01:47:10

Originally by: omgfreemoniez
OK here's a better reason then: It makes me feel bad to see how bad I am compared to everyone else. (I'm not #1 in a single category, feels bad man).

I suppose that's fair enough again Razz

P.S. What would it get to make you want to use it (if anything) ? Smile

omgfreemoniez
Posted - 2010.08.25 01:49:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Akita T

P.S. What would it get to make you want to use it (if anything) ? Smile


It needs more graphs and stats. Like ISK vs SP, and Percentages of players who have X amount of isk and so on. Yes I'm obsessed with ISK.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.25 01:54:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 25/08/2010 01:59:01
Originally by: omgfreemoniez
It needs more graphs and stats. Like ISK vs SP, and Percentages of players who have X amount of isk and so on. Yes I'm obsessed with ISK.

Well, it sort of has the latter... Linkage. Walk the list down until desired amount, divide by the number of pilots listed on main page, and voila, you have percentages.
The only thing I don't see so far is any "ISK vs SP" graph, but there are graphs for SP and there's the list linked above for ISK Wink
And plenty of other statistics in general (explore the clickables there).

Daniel Cordova
Posted - 2010.08.25 02:00:00 - [15]
 

If I were a merc/PVP corp I'd make a habit of checking boards like that to see what the marks are capable of flying and how well.


Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.25 02:03:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 25/08/2010 02:06:11
Originally by: Daniel Cordova
If I were a merc/PVP corp I'd make a habit of checking boards like that to see what the marks are capable of flying and how well.

As if checking battleclinic or other killboards wouldn't give you even better info (from certain viewpoints anyway).

I suppose there is some merit in NOT using such a site if you PvP on a regular basis (although the effectiveness of not using it is pretty much on par or even worse than the effectiveness of using limited API keys to identify spies), but apparently a big chunk of the population (three quarters or so) doesn't get engaged in PvP at all (according to the QEN). That wouldn't fully explain the lowball 3% participation.

Daniel Cordova
Posted - 2010.08.25 02:06:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Daniel Cordova
If I were a merc/PVP corp I'd make a habit of checking boards like that to see what the marks are capable of flying and how well.

As if checking battleclinic or other killboards wouldn't give you even better info (from certain viewpoints anyway).


Highlighted the key words (as in include, not limited just to).

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.25 02:08:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Daniel Cordova
Highlighted the key words (as in include, not limited just to).

Yeah, but you end up on battleclinic most of the time whether you want to or not, so a little bit of extra info that people could get from eveboard won't make much of a difference (if any).

Daniel Cordova
Posted - 2010.08.25 02:11:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Daniel Cordova on 25/08/2010 02:14:11
Reluctantly ending up on battleclinic as a kill with items fitted still doesn't equate to voluntarily posting the degree of efficiency with which you can fly and fit equipment. In my opinion there is a huge difference.

In other words, it isn't just "a little bit of extra info". You're practically showing all your cards. And even if it were, in Eve that bit of extra info can be the difference between winning and losing.


Mr Kidd
Posted - 2010.08.25 02:13:00 - [20]
 

I always prefer apps to web based software solutions. They're faster. And more private. Don't tell me they can phone home....who are they going to call......if....they can't.....speak?

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.25 02:14:00 - [21]
 

Oh, don't misunderstand me, I'm not saying you're wrong, just that that reason alone shouldn't be the main one for not using it as far as most people are concerned (see edit 2 posts previous).

Namira Sable
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
Posted - 2010.08.25 02:15:00 - [22]
 

The same reason we don't give our APIs to EveMetrics.

deathkiller95
Posted - 2010.08.25 02:17:00 - [23]
 

OK I asked cleverbot about this.


Q:Do you think EVE-Board poses security issues wherin your enemies can easily get knowledge of your abilities?

A:No, I do not think that everyone tries as hard as they ought to. Also, we don't do enough as a society to help people improve themselves.



Case closed, EVE-board is not a security risk for pvpers.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.25 02:21:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: cleverbot

Q: Do you think EVE-Board poses security issues wherin your enemies can easily get knowledge of your abilities?
A: No, I do not think that everyone tries as hard as they ought to. Also, we don't do enough as a society to help people improve themselves.

Very Happy

Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
Posted - 2010.08.25 02:40:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Daniel Cordova
Highlighted the key words (as in include, not limited just to).

Yeah, but you end up on battleclinic most of the time whether you want to or not, so a little bit of extra info that people could get from eveboard won't make much of a difference (if any).


Giving your enemy free intel is never a good thing, no matter how little it may seem.

And I fail to see why I should care about your stupid statistics.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.25 02:49:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Brusanan
Giving your enemy free intel is never a good thing, no matter how little it may seem.

And a "fair enough" yet again.
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And I fail to see why I should care about your stupid statistics.

I never said you should care, just trying to find out what motivates people to NOT use it.
And if anything could be done to make them want to use it.

Brusanan
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
Posted - 2010.08.25 02:56:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Akita T
I never said you should care, just trying to find out what motivates people to NOT use it.
And if anything could be done to make them want to use it.


People don't need motivation not to use it. Using it is what requires a motivation. Give people a reason to use it, and they will.

I have no reason to use it, so I don't.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.25 03:04:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Brusanan
Originally by: Akita T
I never said you should care, just trying to find out what motivates people to NOT use it.
And if anything could be done to make them want to use it.

People don't need motivation not to use it. Using it is what requires a motivation. Give people a reason to use it, and they will. I have no reason to use it, so I don't.

I gathered as much, that you think you have no reason to use it. That covers only one of two questions though.

Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2010.08.25 03:08:00 - [29]
 

I signed up and I think I set it to private. Surprised

Rahaer
Galactic System Lords Alliance
Posted - 2010.08.25 03:28:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 25/08/2010 01:59:01
...And plenty of other statistics in general (explore the clickables there)...



What, no one has trained veldspar skills?

And I do use eveboard. It's like giving everyone your API, without having to copy/paste 3 million times. Besides that I see no reason not to :)


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