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Eternum Praetorian
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The Seventh Day
Posted - 2010.08.22 15:09:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 22/08/2010 15:11:13
First Off: This Is Not A Troll Post



Is the fact that the Chimera is thought of being at the bottom heap of carriers, solely dependent on the fact most fleets armor repair? I am playing with carrier builds on EFT and chimera can reach a 9700 DPS tank and 2.4M EHP fairly easily, with 10 Min of capacitor.

Add to that Remote Shield Rep and one Capital Energy Transfer and you have one hell of a tank if your friends are in Chimera's too.



I do realized that Supercapitals and LOL Titan Deathrays have changed the playing field quite a bit. But is there really no love for the Chimera out there? There seems to be some untapped potential here?

1600 RT
Posted - 2010.08.22 15:22:00 - [2]
 

yeah shield tank is the only disadvantage of the chimera. but is a big one


Kenny Dontkillher
Posted - 2010.08.22 15:26:00 - [3]
 

Are you one of those people that takes a ship you think is cool and fits 5 billion of faction modules on it? The stats you listed sound like:
1. You'd need to spend 5x more on modules than the carrier.
2. It's not a ship you'd actually fly.

Anyway, on your post I'll bite: The main drawbacks of the Chimera are most fleets have fewer shield repairs, and it's hard to fit due to CPU limitations..Especially when you start to look at a couple shield reppers.

Does your fit have a shield, armor, and energy repper? Does the cpu blow up if you toss on two shield & a energy repper? Sure you can't use them at the same time, but they are nice for burst.

Trying RR fits I suspect you'll run into the CPU problem.

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2010.08.22 15:29:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 22/08/2010 15:33:20
Originally by: Kenny Dontkillher
Are you one of those people that takes a ship you think is cool and fits 5 billion of faction modules on it? The stats you listed sound like:
1. You'd need to spend 5x more on modules than the carrier.
2. It's not a ship you'd actually fly.

Anyway, on your post I'll bite: The main drawbacks of the Chimera are most fleets have fewer shield repairs, and it's hard to fit due to CPU limitations..Especially when you start to look at a couple shield reppers.

Does your fit have a shield, armor, and energy repper? Does the cpu blow up if you toss on two shield & a energy repper? Sure you can't use them at the same time, but they are nice for burst.

Trying RR fits I suspect you'll run into the CPU problem.



Hello forum alt .0/


If you mean I should not apply faction mods to carriers, and instead use tech II? You are fail.
If you can not conceive the stats I quoted, you are also fail.
And since you are not posting with your main (I see shadow man) I can only concluded that you are in actuality, fail.


Next! Mwhaaa!!!




Ninja Edit:


Without looking at the market I estimate 1.4B in faction mods and about 600M more in rigs. If I dumb it down a bit, 8,000 DPS tank, 1.9M EHP and still 10 min of capacitor.

icecooljon
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.08.22 15:50:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 22/08/2010 15:33:20
If you mean I should not apply faction mods to carriers, and instead use tech II? You are fail.



Carriers are fit with T2 mods due to their life expectancy, if you want to fit faction mods then feel free but dont get the impression T2 fittings are fail.
Also only use T1 rigs, anything more is stupid.

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2010.08.22 16:21:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 22/08/2010 16:22:05
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian

If I dumb it down a bit, 8,000 DPS tank, 1.9M EHP and still 10 min of capacitor.



Ok then, to reduce trolling these are Tech II mods and tech I rigs and we can proceed from here. Assuming anything more needs to be added that is.

Altaica Amur
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.08.22 17:17:00 - [7]
 

Trolling will probably drop down more when you just post the fit :p

Chimera tanks hard, I think harder then most/all other carriers but the whole armor vs. shields thing holds it back sadly.

1600 RT
Posted - 2010.08.22 17:27:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 22/08/2010 16:22:05
Originally by: Eternum Praetorian

If I dumb it down a bit, 8,000 DPS tank, 1.9M EHP and still 10 min of capacitor.



Ok then, to reduce trolling these are Tech II mods and tech I rigs and we can proceed from here. Assuming anything more needs to be added that is.


it will tank that much with T2 stuff only if you overload all your tanking slots and then they wont last 10min

unles you using the triage but in that case you should tank alot more

Altaica Amur
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.08.22 17:41:00 - [9]
 

Though even then that'd likly blow his sustainability out of the water anyways just so I'm not being a hypocrit in asking for fits....

[Chimera, New Setup 1]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Damage Control II

Capital Shield Booster I
Cap Recharger II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II

Capital Energy Transfer Array I
Triage Module I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Capital Shield Transporter I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

4.4k tank out of triage and can sustain it's two remote support for 14 mins without getting similar support

In triage it can use it's shield transport for 9 mins or tank 17k dps for 5 minutes exactly, which is sorta neat as it allows for cap support every time the triage cycle ends.

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2010.08.22 18:36:00 - [10]
 

You people certainly are sure of yourselves Laughing


Ok well whatever, I have my answer. Yes Chimera has allot of potential and yes the sole reason it is at the bottom in terms of awesomeness is because of the shield tanking issue.




Thread Closed.

Zaryk
Posted - 2010.08.22 19:58:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Altaica Amur
Though even then that'd likly blow his sustainability out of the water anyways just so I'm not being a hypocrit in asking for fits....

[Chimera, New Setup 1]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Damage Control II

Capital Shield Booster I
Cap Recharger II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II

Capital Energy Transfer Array I
Triage Module I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Capital Shield Transporter I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

4.4k tank out of triage and can sustain it's two remote support for 14 mins without getting similar support

In triage it can use it's shield transport for 9 mins or tank 17k dps for 5 minutes exactly, which is sorta neat as it allows for cap support every time the triage cycle ends.


that setup is absolutely useless. If you have no idea how to fit a ship, please refrain from posting setups.

Altaica Amur
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.08.22 20:06:00 - [12]
 

Quote:
Though even then that'd likly blow his sustainability out of the water anyways just so I'm not being a hypocrit in asking for fits....


I posted a fit because it's contructive/informative, even as an example of what not to do, if you'd like to say anything more intelligent then 'lol n00b gtfo' I suggest you post your own fit or stfu.

Zaryk
Posted - 2010.08.22 20:13:00 - [13]
 

[Chimera, Triage]
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I

Capital Shield Booster I
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Dark Blood Cap Recharger
Dark Blood Cap Recharger
Cap Recharger II

Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Energy Transfer Array I
Triage Module I
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.08.22 20:42:00 - [14]
 

It seems to me like the Chimera has four main flaws:
- Its a bit anemic on the CPU (IIRC it used to be much worse though)
- IN EANMs are reasonably priced for armor tanking carriers, where DG Invulns are not for shield tanking carriers
- Its hard to find RR lovin for your shield tanking carrier
- Its hard to find shield tanking battleships for your own RR lovin

If I owned a Chimera (I've thought about it before), I'd fit it as follows:

[Chimera, Triage Chimera]
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I

Capital Shield Booster I
Domination Shield Boost Amplifier
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Energy Transfer Array I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Triage Module I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

OR

[Chimera, Small Gang Chimera]
Damage Control II
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I

Capital Shield Booster I
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Warp Disruptor II
Cap Recharger II

Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Shield Transporter I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I
Imperial Navy Large EMP Smartbomb

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

I'm a bit uncertain whether I'd really want the neut on the triage carrier or a smartbomb. Its easier to fit the neut though. If you want good advice about Chimeras, talk to Sokratesz.

-Liang

Rastigan
Caldari
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.08.22 20:49:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Rastigan on 22/08/2010 20:50:22
Originally by: Zaryk
Originally by: Altaica Amur
Though even then that'd likly blow his sustainability out of the water anyways just so I'm not being a hypocrit in asking for fits....

[Chimera, New Setup 1]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Damage Control II

Capital Shield Booster I
Cap Recharger II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Photon Scattering Field II

Capital Energy Transfer Array I
Triage Module I
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Capital Shield Transporter I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

4.4k tank out of triage and can sustain it's two remote support for 14 mins without getting similar support

In triage it can use it's shield transport for 9 mins or tank 17k dps for 5 minutes exactly, which is sorta neat as it allows for cap support every time the triage cycle ends.


that setup is absolutely useless. If you have no idea how to fit a ship, please refrain from posting setups.


That fit is almost like every other Chimera fit, can you Zaryk post a better one ?

Altaica Amur
Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.08.22 21:03:00 - [16]
 

Quote:
Fits and such


Thank you, certainly you posted a better pure triage fit then mine but based on the OP's concern over getting support I tried to balance triage with a stronger local tank.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.08.22 21:10:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Altaica Amur
Quote:
Fits and such


Thank you, certainly you posted a better pure triage fit then mine but based on the OP's concern over getting support I tried to balance triage with a stronger local tank.


Meh, I wouldn't use mine without talking to Sok about it first. I may fly caps, but I don't actually fly the Chimera.

-Liang

James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.08.22 21:41:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
You people certainly are sure of yourselves Laughing


Ok well whatever, I have my answer. Yes Chimera has allot of potential and yes the sole reason it is at the bottom in terms of awesomeness is because of the shield tanking issue.




Thread Closed.


No, there's another reason. Fitting space. Fit out a Chimera, and it's actually rather easy to run out of CPU. You don't tend to run out of powergrid on any of them though.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.08.22 21:45:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: James Lyrus
No, there's another reason. Fitting space. Fit out a Chimera, and it's actually rather easy to run out of CPU. You don't tend to run out of powergrid on any of them though.


Hey could you help me fit a dual armor rep triage Nidhoggur with 3 or 4 remote armor reps? Please?

-Liang

James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2010.08.22 22:28:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: James Lyrus
No, there's another reason. Fitting space. Fit out a Chimera, and it's actually rather easy to run out of CPU. You don't tend to run out of powergrid on any of them though.


Hey could you help me fit a dual armor rep triage Nidhoggur with 3 or 4 remote armor reps? Please?

-Liang


Tried shield tanking it? You've plenty of CPU left. Point taken though. I guess it's only the Archon that can do a dual rep/4 RR fit, and the Chimera is merely joint last with the Nidhoggur.

I think I was thinking of the non-triage fits though - I mean, you do end up with that CPU getting gobbled up by 'conventional' modules as well as your capital mods.

zaqq
Amarr
Posted - 2010.08.23 02:46:00 - [21]
 

i'm fascinated to know why... cap power relays are being used on shield boosting ship.
you realise they have -10% to shield boosting

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.08.23 02:52:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Liang Nuren on 23/08/2010 02:52:42
Originally by: zaqq
i'm fascinated to know why... cap power relays are being used on shield boosting ship.
you realise they have -10% to shield boosting


Well, what would you fit in their place? Cap flux coils? PDUs? Neither provide the amount of capacitor that CPRs do. And yes, we're well aware of the boost penalty, which is why we're using Beta CPRs. Essentially, the capacitor gain isn't stacking nerfed but the shield boost penalty is (and is countered by fitting a SBA anyway).

-Liang

Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2010.08.23 02:54:00 - [23]
 

The biggest problem with the Chimera is that shield transfers use ******ed amounts of CPU compared to armor transfers.

And everyone in fleet armor tanks. That too.

zaqq
Amarr
Posted - 2010.08.23 03:10:00 - [24]
 

rgr that liang,
i thought as much but just HAD to ask to confirm
Very Happy
chimera is just another example of "we can't be bothered to sort it properly" devs.ugh
yet the archon is so strong perse compared with.

Katheros
Posted - 2010.08.23 06:21:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Katheros on 23/08/2010 06:25:12
Edited by: Katheros on 23/08/2010 06:23:40
You can fit one capital shield transporter and one capital remote armor repairer but i think that is only usefull in a small - medium sized fleet. For small gang stuff, station games or also for small and med pos attacks it works quite good, because most of your gangmembers can stay below 15 km range for the remote armor repper.

Ofcourse that would not work as good with many ships in fleet. Also true sansha cap power relays are not that expensive even if they give you only 1% more cap recharge, but everything helps i guess.

edit: I just saw Liang´s fittings. I might try those 2 x capital shield transporter.Very Happy

Thorian Baalnorn
Posted - 2010.08.23 07:04:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Thorian Baalnorn on 23/08/2010 07:10:18


Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 22/08/2010 15:11:13
First Off: This Is Not A Troll Post



Is the fact that the Chimera is thought of being at the bottom heap of carriers, solely dependent on the fact most fleets armor repair? I am playing with carrier builds on EFT and chimera can reach a 9700 DPS tank and 2.4M EHP fairly easily, with 10 Min of capacitor.

Add to that Remote Shield Rep and one Capital Energy Transfer and you have one hell of a tank if your friends are in Chimera's too.



I do realized that Supercapitals and LOL Titan Deathrays have changed the playing field quite a bit. But is there really no love for the Chimera out there? There seems to be some untapped potential here?


I only read about 1/2 the post here. But:

1) You faction fit or t2 fit ( always with t1 rigs) a normal cap.You want to try to stay under 50 mil/mod on factions. No one will LOL at you for doing a complete t2 fit carrier/dread though.
2)Cap/resist is more important than local(DPS) tank( you run capital RRs/transfers )
3)Local tank should consist of resist buffer and a cap shield/armor repper.
4) How much you can tank (DPS wise) is really not important. Cap ships spider tank.
5) Due to #4 armor tanks are a better choice. However you can check with your corp/alliance to see if they run any shield tanked caps in fleet.

Here is an example of a combat fit chimera:

[Chimera, Combat]
Damage Control II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II

Capital Shield Booster I
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Shadow Serpentis Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution
Dark Blood Warp Disruptor

True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb
Capital Shield Transporter I
Heavy Energy Neutralizer II
Capital Energy Transfer Array I
Heavy Energy Neutralizer II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

EDIT: It is definately worth it to use faction smartbombs though.

icecooljon
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.08.23 11:03:00 - [27]
 

What implants would be worth using with a chimera in low sec?


 

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