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Lexa HeIIfury
Incura
Posted - 2010.08.23 01:04:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Lexa HeIIfury on 23/08/2010 04:52:35
And sniper. Will comment after DL.

Edit: Very very good.

Mr Lelantus
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2010.08.23 03:20:00 - [32]
 

That was simply amazing...

Also, I have never used FoF missiles but will definitely try them out.

atrophocy
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.08.23 08:00:00 - [33]
 

nice

Cyrrus Ex
Gallente
Privateers Of Virtue
Vicious OuTLaW
Posted - 2010.08.23 09:39:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Cyrrus Ex on 23/08/2010 10:47:56
finally found this thread (was failing to find it) dling now.

edit: Loved it Exclamation

Chunky Milk
Viziam
Posted - 2010.08.23 10:36:00 - [35]
 

Dl'ing, Loved your old ones! Can't wait for DL to finish :)

Aaronion Margolis
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.23 11:52:00 - [36]
 

awesome vid. as always.

Chunky Milk
Viziam
Posted - 2010.08.23 12:18:00 - [37]
 

Just Awesome. Well done and thank you.

Holy Cheater
Monks of War
DarkSide.
Posted - 2010.08.23 13:50:00 - [38]
 

Some proper magic, finally. Well done

Helldrek Demonstar
The Fallen Angels Unit
Posted - 2010.08.23 14:28:00 - [39]
 

Amazing yet again :)

Willl Adama
Genos Occidere
Posted - 2010.08.23 15:09:00 - [40]
 

That was great, enjoyed it alot :)

Jackaryas
Caldari
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2010.08.23 15:38:00 - [41]
 

Cant wait to see this, but srsly Fon, Garmon and Elekktrea videos within like 24 hours? wtf is going on :)

Miriam Sasko
Matari Exodus
Posted - 2010.08.23 16:05:00 - [42]
 

Awesome stuff, once more, even though stopping good songs after the first few bars (Queen/Who wants to live forever?) should suffer severe punishment Evil or Very Mad

Also, is that voice really yours or some movie/whatever recording? Cause it's scary...

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
Posted - 2010.08.23 16:29:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Miriam Sasko
Awesome stuff, once more, even though stopping good songs after the first few bars (Queen/Who wants to live forever?) should suffer severe punishment Evil or Very Mad

Also, is that voice really yours or some movie/whatever recording? Cause it's scary...

Actually I like each and every of the tracks in use. Sorry if you don't, but at least I think they fit...

As for the voice. Well... I can only express deep regret at those who didn't happen to play (and recall) Duke Nukem 3d! Cool

But thanks for your guess, it made me laugh Very Happy

Proxyyyy
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.08.23 17:43:00 - [44]
 

Hawt!

Podcat
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.08.23 20:56:00 - [45]
 

liked it! much FoF honor

Maylin Li
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.08.23 22:05:00 - [46]
 

Nice to see I'm not the only one in eve who religiously uses F.O.F's. Great Video.

Endless Subversion
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.08.23 22:30:00 - [47]
 

Love NH action.

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
Posted - 2010.08.23 23:35:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 24/08/2010 09:17:27
And that's it?

If 2-words comments is all I've earned then I probably indeed should give up trying to create anything for the next 18 months Laughing

I mean, c'mon, where is the drama? I've just finished writing a huge post @ the leading Russian EVE-related forum consisting of 620 words and 4000 sybmols, just cause we happen to have some... er... incompatibility of views. Now that's really fun!

Where are all the accusations of multi-boxing abusing, n00b bashing, faction mods etc?

Most of the feedback I've get here so far makes me think I had made some plain OK'ish movie. Like you liked it more or less, but something is missed or it even lacks anything worth noticing. (or you guys were way too kind in the past and just had spoilt me)

And either of this makes me sad.

Nosenhojh
Excrutiating Dirge
Merciless.
Posted - 2010.08.24 03:54:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Nosenhojh on 24/08/2010 03:54:59
Just watched and overall a solid video. What I love watching is the way you fly the NH and you know its capabilities so damn well and push it for everything it has is great. As for alts/faction mods, aint nothing wrong with that, you've found the strong points of the ship and got the mods to exploit them which is just plain clever.

The only negative for me is despite your mostly good piloting, the quality of your opposition does seem on average pretty low. Getting into scram range of the drakes right off the bat in your tengu should have killed you but somehow they failed to capitalize on it twice. You were quite often in heated web range, neut range of BS etc and it didn't hurt you. The fight in a mission/plex or w/e, you may have killed a bunch them but as something to watch it felt like you were bashing incompetent bears who did you a favour by sticking around. Its no reflection on your piloting ability, which was very good but tbh it would be more entertaining seeing you fight 2 brilliant pvpers and *just* coming out on top than running rings around a collection of bads who miss multiple opportunities to lock you down and kill you. As that one guy commented in the POS fight "officer disruptor?". Show us someone who clicks and goes okay, loki boosted NH with active tank, here is our counter, lets dance- that would be awesome to watch.

I like what you do but it needs some variety whether its who you fight, where you fight or what ship your running. Hit up different lowsec, run a wardec, head out to 0.0, fly some different ships.

my opinion only, flame on

Eagerly awaiting your next work Smile

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
Posted - 2010.08.24 06:03:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Nosenhojh
...

my opinion only, flame on

Eagerly awaiting your next work Smile


Hehe, thanks - that's right what I was asking for. Sometimes people tend to keep their (negative) feedback and that's something I don't get.

I strongly object that fights like "here is our counter, lets dance" could be of any real fun. Despite all the skill, mods and w/e else 1 ship can not compete with multiple ships, which came there solely to counter you. Most of these encounters are just plain ganks.

If there are more people willing to see these ganks - ok, no problem. I'll include few next time. You'll see how making a special counter ends fight pretty soon in a predetermined way.

Nosenhojh
Excrutiating Dirge
Merciless.
Posted - 2010.08.24 06:55:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Fon Revedhort
Originally by: Nosenhojh
...

my opinion only, flame on

Eagerly awaiting your next work Smile


Hehe, thanks - that's right what I was asking for. Sometimes people tend to keep their (negative) feedback and that's something I don't get.

I strongly object that fights like "here is our counter, lets dance" could be of any real fun. Despite all the skill, mods and w/e else 1 ship can not compete with multiple ships, which came there solely to counter you. Most of these encounters are just plain ganks.

If there are more people willing to see these ganks - ok, no problem. I'll include few next time. You'll see how making a special counter ends fight pretty soon in a predetermined way.


When I say counter I don't mean some ganksquad running around specifically fitted to kill your NH- thats no fun at all. What I mean is people that are competent enough to be hitting you with those heated webs, neuting your ass within 25km- not burning after you like lemmings at half your speed and dying horribly. It seemed to me that your opposition simply had zero understanding of what your NH was capable of even in the prolonged engagements and why they had little chance. I want to see fights where it is really do or die when you make a mistake and get scrammed. The disparity in pilot skill just seemed ridiculous with people screwing up simple stuff against you. Small criticisms in a solid video, had I not already watched Witchcraft I wouldn't bother mentioning them. You've just set the bar high for yourself tbhRazz

Miriam Sasko
Matari Exodus
Posted - 2010.08.24 07:55:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Fon Revedhort

Actually I like each and every of the tracks in use. Sorry if you don't, but at least I think they fit...


The difference is not that the other songs are bad, but that you cut Who want to live forever after the intro, which was simply not nice :(

As for the comment - it indeed is a question of raised expectations. The Rocket Wizardry was something truly original, I think one out of only two original pvp-themed works that I have seen on these forums, the other being the Clarion Call-movies. Pretty much everything else is well-known principles, repeated and slightly adjusted to the one employing them. Some times with more isk or skill than other times, but in principle, it's tanking ships or kiting ships or or or...

So, when you came along and gave an obviously underrated ship a completely novel fitting and used it in a style that few people would have thought of, the audience was blown away. Later, in the Witchcraft, you stretched what the ship could do.

Now people enter the thread and have rather specific expectations, which did not get disappointed. There is a difference between "getting what you expect" and "being blown away", so some people are after all somewhat disappointed (those who hoped to be blown away once more). Then they think "could I do this - Probably no, I'd die horribly, it really is epic pvp, just not much better than what he has shown before" and leave the comments you complained about. That you show only one style of pvp does make the "whoa"-effect get blunt. Additionally, you have the bad luck that Endless Subversion published a movie dedicated to the same ships first.

Time for a new epic idea, man. I know I'm racking my brain, but nothing feasible will show up :(

Btw, expectations have raised considerably all over the place. Do you remember the old Farjung movies? They used to be the be-all and end-all of pvp movies afaik, and if you watch them today... well, half of the fights are 1v1 ratterganks, and the better fights are not really that impressive by today's standards either. Heat, rigs, combat and fleet boosters allow you to take on a lot heavier odds than what he did back then, and today, he'd get flamed hardcore for the ratter ganks.

Pupp3tMast3r
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.08.24 08:38:00 - [53]
 

Odd coincidence that this is the top thread in myeve immediately after I finished watching The Rocket Wizardry for what was probably the 15th time.

Downloading...but not fast enough.

Kaileen Starsong
Amarr
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.08.24 09:09:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Kaileen Starsong on 24/08/2010 09:38:54
Originally by: Fon Revedhort

As for the voice. Well... I can only express deep regret at those who didn't happen to play (and recall) Duke Nukem 3d! Cool



Those bits were hilarious, indeed. And LOVE when all those failcons die("...the day the falcon dies I will be free..." (c) Lunatica Laughing)

Originally by: Fon Revedhort

Where are all the accusations of multi-boxing abusing, n00b bashing, faction mods etc?



You'd only really risk being accused of noob bashing nowadays, although with those numbers... Rolling Eyes Laughing Actually, this video nicely illustrates why people tend to blob up - if they don't, they'll really get owned in miserable ways over and over again.

I don't really agree with one of the above posters about including counter-fit fights, those are really boring due to their one-sidedness, imo.

Originally by: Nosenhojh

When I say counter I don't mean some ganksquad running around specifically fitted to kill your NH- thats no fun at all. What I mean is people that are competent enough to be hitting you with those heated webs, neuting your ass within 25km- not burning after you like lemmings at half your speed and dying horribly.


Fights with competent people on both sides tend to be VERY boring to watch in 95% of cases. They often would end with 1 or zero ship kills, they would often end up in ship popping due to single mistake without being able to do pretty much anything and so on. Really, the fights that take a lot of skill to go through usually end up rather "meh" to watch, while the "turkey shot" variations of fights will be quite entertaining for an eye. All the better Eve movies demonstrate exactly that, this one is no exception(yeah, I'd say it's one of the better movies released).


Pupp3tMast3r
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.08.24 09:21:00 - [55]
 

In a lot of ways I think that surpassed your previous work (and thats a lot to ask for). The fights were enjoyable and many of them tense, the mix between the Tengu and Nighthawk action was very good. The editing was great and the music fit nicely.

What really made it stand out was the sense of humor you placed in it. I laughed a lot when you "fixed" the tempest icon Laughing

Thank you for another great PVP video.

Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
Posted - 2010.08.24 09:24:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Nosenhojh
I want to see fights where it is really do or die when you make a mistake and get scrammed.


You must have skipped the start. Smile

As for average skill - average skill of eve player is actually very low. It is hard to find even just reasonably competent pvpers, and once you do and engage those against odds under assumption they are average you usually end up dead. Actually opening of the movie is an excellent example of what happens when you underestimate people and tbh it looks kinda stupid compared to all those fights later that had the other side use multiple falcons, rapiers, logistics, battleships, much larger numerical advantage and what not and I honestly wouldn't include it myself since he ends up losing a 1b nighthawk to 2 hurricanes that cost 50-60 mil total together. But hey this way I can see myself on tv. lol

It's next to impossible to come on top of a fight against people who know what they are doing when outnumbered, most you can get is usually killing the least tanked one and gtfoing, if you're lucky. That's unless you're flying a much more powerful ship, like a faction bs or something of that sort. So while I agree with the argument that the movie shows very low skill of the opposition, I'd say it's very much normal and not something worth complaining about. I certainly saw much heavier idiotism than you can see here.

What I DO dislike is the non stop kiting, it gets boring after a while and in this case it lasts for half an hour. But this is personal perference, I simply like web range stuff more.

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.08.24 09:46:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Suitonia on 24/08/2010 09:48:08
Originally by: Fon Revedhort
Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 24/08/2010 09:17:27
And that's it?

If 2-words comments is all I've earned then I probably indeed should give up trying to create anything for the next 18 months Laughing




I left a 2 word comment, and I really enjoyed the movie. The editing, piloting, music and fights were all great in my opinion, the reason why I didn't critique it more, or comment on it more is because my feedback is more or less the same from the two previous videos.

When I first saw your first movie, it was very new and exciting, Seeing "Nighthawk" in the movie description, downloading it, and just being amazed at how well you piloted a ship that is largely underestimated, and underated, It was the first time I had ever seen a Nighthawk flown well, and in such a manner, my mind was blown, and I think I rewatched it several times over, and recommended it to all my corp mates and friends just how amazing it was.

The second movie was the same stuff, only you pushed it further, and I loved you using everything at your disposal, the Blackbird killing, killmail whoring, and scorpion tackled by a pos mod killed by Friend or Foe Missiles, was amazing. I don't think I've been so glued to the screen watching an eve video in a long time, staring at overview.

This movie was cool, I really enjoyed it. I came in knowing what I wanted, and I got everything I expected, it was great. I wasn't really suprised by anything though, I knew what to expect, and got just that, which is mostly why I left a 2 word comment. It felt like an expansion to a great game, rather than a new game, is sort of what I'm trying to say. The Tengu stuff was really enjoyable, but it mostly flies like a Faster, harder to jam, mini Nighthawk, rather than anything super new.

I'd certainly love and enjoy another Nighthawk movie, it's just not ground breaking like your first movie was. Which is not necessarily a bad thing. You could always try throwing in some things such as a HML Sacrilege, HML Osprey Navy Issue (lol), HML Rook and other cool underused things which don't normally get any screen-time.

Buy anyway, don't worry too much about the lack of comment, as I said, I think its mostly because we know what to expect coming into this thread, although we all still really enjoy your movies.

Xandi Crews
Perkone
Posted - 2010.08.24 10:03:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Xandi Crews on 24/08/2010 10:07:07
great video as usual

Originally by: Nosenhojh


The only negative for me is despite your mostly good piloting, the quality of your opposition does seem on average pretty low. ]



that's the nature of making an entertaining pvp video. even Fights against competent people are often just as exciting to be a part of but end up being much less fun to watch than stomping 20 falcon spamming ****** blobbers.

edit: basically what vabrac said

Muad' Dib
Gallente
PWNED FACTOR HOLDINGS
Posted - 2010.08.24 10:27:00 - [59]
 

Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 24/08/2010 10:28:42
Originally by: Fon Revedhort
Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 23/08/2010 06:14:34
Movie @ EVE Files

Movie @ rfclan.ru (direct link!)




mkv 1280x1024 [29:54] 669 mb



Welcome back.

Sadly, CCP has been severely nerfing low-sec for ages (by boosting/creating other areas), and in a great wasteland even getting risky fights is quite problematic on its own. But all in all, here it comes, and I'm quite happy with what I've got.

It's not perfect (there are several typos in the text to say the least!), but suddenly it turned out that I had already had 30 minutes worth of various stuff, thus I decided to release it and dump any new clips (should they come in the first place) into another movie.

This vid cost me about 7 billion isk in lost ships alone and I don't see myself creating any more movies (of this type at least) in any reasonable timeframe - partially cause I can't really afford losing that much isk, partially due to ethical reasons, since tossing out expensive loot to blobers (who clearly don't deserve it) just results in me spoiling them even further, - so I hope you'll enjoy this one.

Cya in 18 months plus whatever it will take to get some fights :P



What's the song at minute 17, i remember it from the movie Brat.

Originally by: Fon Revedhort
Edited by: Fon Revedhort on 24/08/2010 09:17:27
And that's it?

If 2-words comments is all I've earned then I probably indeed should give up trying to create anything for the next 18 months Laughing

I mean, c'mon, where is the drama? I've just finished writing a huge post @ the leading Russian EVE-related forum consisting of 620 words and 4000 sybmols, just cause we happen to have some... er... incompatibility of views. Now that's really fun!

Where are all the accusations of multi-boxing abusing, n00b bashing, faction mods etc?

Most of the feedback I've get here so far makes me think I had made some plain OK'ish movie. Like you liked it more or less, but something is missed or it even lacks anything worth noticing. (or you guys were way too kind in the past and just had spoilt me)

And either of this makes me sad.


As long as you get your andrenaline fix, you play the game as you wish so **** 'em.

Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
DarkSide.
Posted - 2010.08.24 10:40:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Muad' Dib

What's the song at minute 17, i remember it from the movie Brat.


Splean - Sem' Vos'mykh

Check the band here. Or here.

Actually Brat (Brat 2, iirc) contained another song (Linija Zhizni), but I liked that one as well.


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