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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2010.08.21 04:44:00 - [211]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer
I am around 40, but I notice the younger crowd has a major bitter streak against "political correctness" for having it rammed down their throats so much.

Now when you get one of them started they go off an a rant that would make Michael Richards cringe.





Ah yes, the reverse taboo effect.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.21 04:45:00 - [212]
 

Originally by: Stick Cult
Btw Akita, you're a cracker!

Graham or cheese ?

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.08.21 04:46:00 - [213]
 

To the OP, wouldn't the easiest solution be to just mute the offending individual on your TS or Ventrilo. Assuming of course they aren't the FC or something like that.

As Bill O'Reilly said the other night, no one that uses that word gains respect.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.21 04:47:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: El'Niaga
Assuming of course they aren't the FC or something like that.

It _was_ the FC, according to the OP.

Stick Cult
Posted - 2010.08.21 04:49:00 - [215]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Stick Cult
Btw Akita, you're a cracker!

Graham or cheese ?

... Graham crackers are yummy ...

Cool

Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2010.08.21 04:50:00 - [216]
 

Imagine if it was the mandatory word for recognizing paternality or authority?

"Mop that floor recruit!" Yes ******!"

"Helm to 508! Aye ****** helm to 508!"

"Greetings ladies and ******s, table for four?"

And in the inevitable post-apocalyptic world of the future, when slavery makes a big come-back,

"You will address me as ******, slave"

And then we will have come full circle...

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.21 04:52:00 - [217]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 21/08/2010 05:01:17
Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
awesome

thumbs up

Originally by: Stick Cult
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Stick Cult
Btw Akita, you're a cracker!

Graham or cheese ?

... Graham crackers are yummy ...Cool

You shall be the cheese on my Graham cracker Shocked

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.08.21 04:58:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: El'Niaga
Assuming of course they aren't the FC or something like that.

It _was_ the FC, according to the OP.



OP doesn't identify it as the FC, just that he's told to get over it presumably by the FC I guess which is just as wrong, I'd just mute them and if it was the FC I'd just not fleet up with that FC in the future :)

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.21 05:00:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: El'Niaga
OP doesn't identify it as the FC

Post #10 : Linkage

Sajad
Posted - 2010.08.21 05:02:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Stick Cult
Btw Akita, you're a cracker!

Graham or cheese ?


Christmas.

Ghaylenty
Posted - 2010.08.21 05:08:00 - [221]
 

this is no different from making fun of jewish people who throw out their back picking up quarters. theres a word for that too. but jews don't have this problem, because they don't walk around callin each other kykes.

you brought this on yourselves, and i personally have no issues using the word in public. sure its gotten me a few looks sometimes but on the few occasions ive been called out, i said, "this is a conversation between my friends and i. if you are getting offended at the term it is because you are representative of it."

that shuts them up. haven't gotten into a fight yet.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.08.21 05:09:00 - [222]
 

Originally by: Sajad
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Stick Cult
Btw Akita, you're a cracker!

Graham or cheese ?

Christmas.

Laughing Now we see the violence inherent in the system, my people have long been oppressed by the heavy hand of the faith-peddlers ! Laughing
I am offend. I am rage. I am hungry. You wouldn't like me when I'm hungry. I am also yesterday.

Cecilia Syal
Minmatar
Blood Inquisition
Posted - 2010.08.21 05:30:00 - [223]
 


Your playing a game built on races fighting against each other.. and i see racism every day at least in roleplay context..., I dont think its coincidence that Amarr Empire like slaves and Minmatar's as a race are their favorite, and they are opposite skin color.., I think as a whole, their just words in the end. Next time state how you feel and see if they stop, if not make a complaint

CCP Applebabe

Posted - 2010.08.21 05:47:00 - [224]
 

Moved from EVE General Discussion as the discussions are no loner EVE related.

Joe Phoenix
The Commonwealth Federation
Posted - 2010.08.21 07:06:00 - [225]
 

I ban all racist players from corp and alliance, i can't stand it.

GeekAlot
Posted - 2010.08.21 07:14:00 - [226]
 

Originally by: Jonzun Crew
I'm roaming with the alliance and one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server. It wasn't directed at me and I was told to get over it. I stated that I didn't think it was necessary to use that word and the offender went off on a racist rant. Most of which I missed but I did hear "raisin head" (never heard that one before).
As a "black gamer" or African American it kinda bothered me. Here I am enjoying a game after working with some new "friends" and bam! The "N" word (seems silly now).
I'm not gonna quit because of it. I guess I wanted to know how common place is this type of conversation? I also don't plan of filing a petition. Eve is my 2nd MMO and so my experience is limited.


and when a black guy says the N word to another black guy its oki ?
**** of tbh
if theres words who get you to cry then log of.
people like u make me sick, uhh dont say stuff like that,it hurts my feelings BUHU get over it.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.08.21 07:25:00 - [227]
 

Thanks for killin my first snipes Applebabe, Crying or Very sad I worked hard for those.


Alcoholic Skunk
Posted - 2010.08.21 07:27:00 - [228]
 

I have never seen the n word used in game, but one word I have seen alot is the f word(meaning homosexual). For some that word is just as bad. When I hear it, I just view the person as an immature ignorant f***(the other f word), and pod them if I can, then move on.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.21 09:17:00 - [229]
 

Edited by: Furb Killer on 21/08/2010 09:18:35
Originally by: Joe Phoenix
I ban all racist players from corp and alliance, i can't stand it.

Quote:
I have never seen the n word used in game, but one word I have seen alot is the f word(meaning homosexual). For some that word is just as bad. When I hear it, I just view the person as an immature ignorant f***(the other f word), and pod them if I can, then move on.

The problem is, 99.99% of the people who say ****** (do a guess what is behind the stars), do not mean it as racist. Sure you can go all worrying and lose sleep that that person is maybe part of the 0.01% who are there out trying to enslave you and your family, but that chance is pretty small.

It is just used as random curse word. Just like *** and gay are also used. Now n**** is not used alot here, so i also dont use it as curse word. But i do sometimes say stuff like: That is so gay. That has nothing to do with discrimination, hell i am in favour of gay rights, gay marriage (am dutch), etc, it is just an expression, deal with it.

60 years ago we had here some unfriendly neighbours over uninvited, the germans. They did a pretty decent job at systematically exterminating certain groups. But NO ONE here who isnt ******ed blames a random german now for it. And getting the slavery with it is really stupid, that happened really long ago, should we also still give a crap about that little war Spain fought against us (80 years long to be precise)?

No history should not be forgotten. But it also should not be abused in these ways. *I* have never owned any slaves. *I* have never discriminated anyone for any reason. So i was not planning to feel responsible for that in any way just because some people long ago who happened to be born in roughly the same area a long time ago did do it.

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.21 09:59:00 - [230]
 

Originally by: Halcyon Ingenium
Imagine if it was the mandatory word for recognizing paternality or authority?

"Mop that floor recruit!" Yes ******!"

"Helm to 508! Aye ****** helm to 508!"

"Greetings ladies and ******s, table for four?"

And in the inevitable post-apocalyptic world of the future, when slavery makes a big come-back,

"You will address me as ******, slave"

And then we will have come full circle...


The United ****** College Fund

-because a mind is a terrible thing to waste.


thisis a good example of words only having the power you give them.

It's like gays in the 1970s. They didn't know what to be called...***, queer, ladies, fruits, gay....

The word "gay" was actually a slur due to the flamboyant nature of male homosexuals at the time trying to define themselves.

Now "gay" is accepted as the correct term for a homosexuals. I'm waiting for "carpet muncher" to make it big.

News Anchor: "Today in entertainment news, carpet muncher Jodie Foster says she will adopt a child."

Ella C'Tronix
Posted - 2010.08.21 11:58:00 - [231]
 

Edited by: Ella C''Tronix on 21/08/2010 12:02:01
I hope I don't step on any toes and that this is read the right way,
but the 'racism' card is tired.

Yes, people can be hateful and vile. But wouldn't the world be a better place if we could all just make fun of each other and laugh about it instead of getting all angry and vicious?
I mean, it works both ways. People that ARE hateful for whatever reason.. maybe you need to appreciate other people and their flaws and positive attributes as part of a living person just like you.


It is hard to shake bad impressions, I had a problem with a particular race for awhile in life because of a bad experience I had when I was young (a group of people beat me with chains.. rather unsuccessfully but it was enough to make me upset). I find solace in the fact that every group of people on earth has at least one idiot amongst them though and usually many more. None of us are better than the rest and it'd be nice if we could all just laugh about it and enjoy each other.

Also: if language barriers / poor understanding of YOUR language when someone else is trying to speak it / thick accents bother you to the point where you might feel just a bit racist... go live in another country for a few years where they don't speak your language. It changed MY perspective pretty quickly doing that - becoming the minority.

Johnny Malloy
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.08.21 14:07:00 - [232]
 

Quote:
I'm roaming with the alliance and one player starts calling another the "N" word over the voice server. It wasn't directed at me and I was told to get over it. I stated that I didn't think it was necessary to use that word and the offender went off on a racist rant. Most of which I missed but I did hear "raisin head" (never heard that one before).
As a "black gamer" or African American it kinda bothered me. Here I am enjoying a game after working with some new "friends" and bam! The "N" word (seems silly now).


i had a similar experience i'm afraid with a corp member a few years ago. i called him out on his use of racist langauge and the context of him saying it. there was a huge arguement on TS coz i would'nt back down and the ****ing **** had the cheek to say i was trolling! i left the corp soon after. the one thing that makes me hesitant about playing online games are the people who use the anonymity of the internet to say stuff they wouldn't dare spout off about face to face. its one thing joking around, but from my experience, people who tend to say this kind of stuff tend to think that way in RL.

my hat off to ya for not quitting and i hope you find a corp free of idiots.

Haruki sensou
Posted - 2010.08.21 16:46:00 - [233]
 

People need to seriously HTFU, so many people love the crutch of being offended. The only victims of language are those looking to be. Get off that soapbox of indignation and grow a pair.

Roboplegic
Amarr
Posted - 2010.08.21 17:03:00 - [234]
 

ALL people who use the "N" word or "spear chucker" are ALL virgin american nerd teens/young adaults that try to act hard on computer games i.e. goons/PL

true story.

Ildryn
Posted - 2010.08.23 23:27:00 - [235]
 

Didn't Africans sell fellow Africans to slavers as well?

So does that mean Black people hate Black people?

When a black person calls another black person ******.

Maybe he is referring to his ancestors. You know, the ones selling their own race.

Black people also never went to Sicily or Italy and killed most of the men and ****d the women...

For being hated as much as they claim they sure have a stupid way of showing they shouldn't be hated...

Arianhod
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
Posted - 2010.08.24 01:06:00 - [236]
 

Edited by: Arianhod on 24/08/2010 01:07:05
Kind of... interesting to read through this. Its easy to see who is from which side of the Atlantic, and in Akitas case who is white and coming from this from the other side of the oppression history... if he really cared about a vendetta against the turks as I understand it.

Hell, my family was from the eastern bit of Germany the allies passed over to what is now Poland and had to march across Europe... but I really don't hate Brits, Yanks, French Russians or the rest because of this or even have an inkling of emotion connected to it.

From this position as a Brit with no connections of my knowledge to the Slave trade of the 18th century, I pose this question.

Is there an african-american community, or is this just a label that people of this description designate themselves or are designated with?

The chasm of culture appears to be quite large, the USSR crumbled before I was born and while racism was rife in Britain in the 1960s (so I am told) it kind of petered out with no actual confrontation like in the US. When I was in high school rap was big and ****** was just another word coming out from the music.

So if to my first question is yes, then why do so many rappers from said community use the word in a passive way, knowing that it will pervade the youth across the spectrum to use it as just another word? Wouldn't it be better for the word to fade into obscurity like Gay has done to the point where it becomes rarer with each generation for such a thing to even be remarkable?

Point in context, this Kraut in the UK Razz

Verrenici
Posted - 2010.08.24 12:31:00 - [237]
 

Edited by: Verrenici on 24/08/2010 12:33:03
Shut up. A hundred years ago you would have been right, but it's 2010 and the only one still segregating is you by assuming being insulted for being black is somehow worse than being insulted for being neurotic, self-centered, poor, gay, jewish, short, fat, a virgin, bald, christian or any of millions of other reasons.

Had you laughed it would have stayed the big joke he intended it to be and everybody would have moved on. But no, you had to be butthurt and he tried to teach you not to be.

Nobody cares you're black but you, now go pick some cotton, darkie.

Yesh
Unjustified Ancients of MuMu
Posted - 2010.08.24 13:15:00 - [238]
 

No one should have to endure or accept prejudice. People who say 'Harden the F**k up' are just morons who have no idea. OK, so the person saying the N word probably didn't mean it as a racial slur, they were just talking 'street' (in their eyes) in the same way as someone who says 'thats so g.ay' to announce that they think something is very poor isn't homophobic.

But the word is mightier than the sword and some words have derogatory meanings attached no matter how they are used. I'm from Britain and take no offence at being called a 'Brit', but calling someone from Pakistan a 'Pa**i' is offensive. Not because of geographical stuff, but because small minded racists use that word as an insult and a blunt instrument of hate. Think about it. 'Ausie', 'Yank', 'Brit', 'Clog wearing cheese munchers' (for the ducth Twisted Evil ) even 'Frog' aren't really that offensive, but although 'N***er' and 'P**ki' are still only derived from abbreviations of a nations name, they are still considered offensive.

The very fact that some words are deemed offensive suggests that racism is still rife no matter how PC we think ourselves to be.

So don't just sit back and take it. Challenge it head on. Don't let the person who said this get away with it.

As to your initial question ... yes this is common in typed convos and voice convos. But most of the time there is no malicious intent to it .. just ignorance to an issue that doesn't affect the person typing/speaking

/rant off




Roboplegic
Amarr
Posted - 2010.08.24 13:22:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: Verrenici
Edited by: Verrenici on 24/08/2010 12:33:03
Shut up. A hundred years ago you would have been right, but it's 2010 and the only one still segregating is you by assuming being insulted for being black is somehow worse than being insulted for being neurotic, self-centered, poor, gay, jewish, short, fat, a virgin, bald, christian or any of millions of other reasons.

Had you laughed it would have stayed the big joke he intended it to be and everybody would have moved on. But no, you had to be butthurt and he tried to teach you not to be.

Nobody cares you're black but you, now go pick some cotton, darkie.


This guy is a ****.

the poster above me has got it spot on

Verrenici
Posted - 2010.08.24 13:24:00 - [240]
 

Edited by: Verrenici on 24/08/2010 13:26:00
Originally by: Yesh
they are still considered offensive.


By who? Think about it. There is no more racism save for words. N***er is only funny (yes, I called it funny) because Blacks get ****y when you say it. The second they stop caring, it stops being a racial slur and starts being just another insult.

Unless you're a hundred and fifty years old, and were lashed for not sitting in the back of the bus, you've never, ever been the victim of real racism. You're just another self-centered douchebag that thinks he should be protected from harassment, without batting an eye when he witnesses it happening to somebody else.

I'll bet you OP wouldn't have given a **** if someone yelled Jew over vent.

Quote:
This guy is a ****.

the poster above me has got it spot on


Your logic is flawless. I bet you were the star on your debate team.


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