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Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Concentrated Evil
Posted - 2010.08.19 16:08:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Joe Skellington

What if you put useless **** in with the courier package, will it just show the junk and not the package inside the container?


It's like this: the cargo scanner scans 2 layers deep. First layer is the cargo hold (duh), second layer is any container inside that cargo hold. A courier package is one container. So if you courier (in one contract) 1 GSC with stuff in it, plus 2 Afterburner Is, the scan will show 1 GSC and 2 AB Is.

The Orca's corp hangar is exempt from being scanned because, well, it's a hangar and not a cargo hold. You can't scan a hangar at a POS either.

Ifly

Cebraio
Posted - 2010.08.19 16:41:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
Originally by: Joe Skellington

What if you put useless **** in with the courier package, will it just show the junk and not the package inside the container?


It's like this: the cargo scanner scans 2 layers deep. First layer is the cargo hold (duh), second layer is any container inside that cargo hold. A courier package is one container. So if you courier (in one contract) 1 GSC with stuff in it, plus 2 Afterburner Is, the scan will show 1 GSC and 2 AB Is.
...


This. To be on the safe side, I just tested it.

A mindful ganker will of course still notice that something is odd there, because a GSC shows up on scan - while otherwise it would not.

Eleventh Bride
Posted - 2010.08.19 17:01:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Cebraio
Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
A mindful ganker will of course still notice that something is odd there, because a GSC shows up on scan - while otherwise it would not.


Interesting, would an unassembled GSC show up? Or a smaller secure container that is unassembled inside a GSC?

Mindgames indeed; contracting assembled GSCs, is that high collateral because of what's inside the GSCs, or outside the station?

ForceM
Gallente
POS Builder Inc.
Silent Requiem
Posted - 2010.08.19 17:11:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Cebraio
Edit: And here is how you can do it:
As written by Ifly Uwalk and Marko Riva, you can put the wares into a GSC and put the GSC into a contract.
If the ship with the contract is scanned, all one would see is this:

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1008/WaresInGSCInContract.jpg




Ok so what if you put some extra random worthless gear next to the GSC (not in it) and put that with the GSC in a contract?

It would show the GSC + the gear ... giving the idea its just a regular GSC that is actually filled :)

Cebraio
Posted - 2010.08.19 17:21:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Cebraio on 19/08/2010 17:21:37
Originally by: ForceM
Originally by: Cebraio
Edit: And here is how you can do it:
As written by Ifly Uwalk and Marko Riva, you can put the wares into a GSC and put the GSC into a contract.
If the ship with the contract is scanned, all one would see is this:

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1008/WaresInGSCInContract.jpg




Ok so what if you put some extra random worthless gear next to the GSC (not in it) and put that with the GSC in a contract?

It would show the GSC + the gear ... giving the idea its just a regular GSC that is actually filled :)


That's what Ifly explained and I confirmed. It will only give the idea of a filled container to the guys that don't know that a used container would not show up at all.

(Still need to test the thing with the unassembled cans.)

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
Posted - 2010.08.19 18:10:00 - [36]
 

Until recently, there was a wiki page I created that documented these and other findings, with a view to helping people avoid cargo scans:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/index.php?title=Avoiding_cargo_scans&action=edit

This is being petitioned, and I hope to see the page restored soon.

Cebraio
Posted - 2010.08.19 18:16:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Cebraio on 19/08/2010 18:22:19
Originally by: Eleventh Bride

Interesting, would an unassembled GSC show up? Or a smaller secure container that is unassembled inside a GSC?



Alright, tested and I can say 2 things:
- Containers cannot be placed inside containers, not even if they're unassembled.
- Unassembled containers also don't show up on scan.

Edit: Considering that ...
A. A container cannot be placed inside a container
B. A cargo scanner scans only level 1 and 2

I'd say putting containers inside contract is an unintended (and unexpected) feature. At least from the cargo scanner POV.
It's like "We stop at level 2, because there can't be more containers inside." Cool

Bella Hysteria
Red Frog Investments
Posted - 2010.08.19 20:36:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Bella Hysteria on 19/08/2010 20:49:59
Here is an additional consideration. Items inside a container are treated as a "Stack" and have the same chance of dropping as any other item of cargo. Not sure of the exact numbers but a cursory review of killmails leads me to believe somewhrere around 40-50% chance that an item of cargo will drop. That chance of drop must figure into the suicide gankers calculation.

If the contents of a container are unknown, why sacrifice 20 battlships for unknown profit. Even the assumption of value may be invalid. As a professional hauler, I ALWAYS "double wrap" anything I am asked to haul. It does not matter if it is trit, hulks or PLEXes. I just do not like folks prying into my buisiness. Better to gank someone when the entire calculation can be evaluated.

The opinions expressed in this post are those of Bella Hysteria and do not represent the viewpoint of Red Frog Investments, Red Frog Freight, Blue Sky Conortium any other third party.

Red Frog Investments does not condone suicide ganking as a tactic. Red Frog Freight Pilots are taught the basic mechanics of this tactic in order to assure the safe deliverty of our customers goods.

David Grogan
Gallente
The Motley Crew Reborn
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2010.08.19 22:59:00 - [39]
 

personally i think anyone NOT part of the local militia should get flagged for using cargo scanners..(a hostile act when used by ppl with ill intent)............... but to avoid exploitation of local militia doing it only allow miltia do it in low sec without getting a sec hit

Ifly Uwalk
Caldari
Concentrated Evil
Posted - 2010.08.20 06:24:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: David Grogan
personally i think anyone NOT part of the local militia should get flagged for using cargo scanners..(a hostile act when used by ppl with ill intent)............... but to avoid exploitation of local militia doing it only allow miltia do it in low sec without getting a sec hit


Wow. Go back to it.

Ifly

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.08.20 07:39:00 - [41]
 

So, what would a scanner think if I double wrap <valuable, small stuff> and put something worthless and < GSC max capacity out of the GSC? That the scanner sees what apparenly looks like a filled GSC but the filler "looks like" being the worthless item?

David Grogan
Gallente
The Motley Crew Reborn
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2010.08.20 09:04:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
Originally by: David Grogan
personally i think anyone NOT part of the local militia should get flagged for using cargo scanners..(a hostile act when used by ppl with ill intent)............... but to avoid exploitation of local militia doing it only allow miltia do it in low sec without getting a sec hit


Wow. Go back to it.

Ifly



i never played it to begin with. not into fairies and goblins

Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2010.08.20 09:12:00 - [43]
 

Of you could just say in local that you aren't carrying anything valuable YARRRR!!

Cebraio
Posted - 2010.08.20 09:16:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
So, what would a scanner think if I double wrap <valuable, small stuff> and put something worthless and < GSC max capacity out of the GSC? That the scanner sees what apparenly looks like a filled GSC but the filler "looks like" being the worthless item?

As stated before, GSCs usually don't appear on the scanner at all. Be they empty, unassembled or filled, they just don't show. Only wrapped GSCs show up.

Atticus Fynch
Gallente
Posted - 2010.08.20 13:03:00 - [45]
 

Do this:

*take items and make courier contract to self

*accept contract via your corp

*take package and make another courier contract to self with it

*accept contract via your corp.

You now have a contract package within a contract package.

Try scanning it and see what you get.


Jada Maroo
Posted - 2010.08.20 13:09:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch


You now have a contract package within a contract package.

Try scanning it and see what you get.




The packaging breaks and you get pregnant.

Nomad Vherokic
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.08.20 13:20:00 - [47]
 


Quote:
The packaging breaks and you get pregnant.


^^

Cebraio
Posted - 2010.08.20 14:30:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Atticus Fynch
Do this: ...


For the sake of completeness I also tried that. Made a courier contract and wrapped it into another courier contract, then scanned it. Since the scan looks different from the wrapped GSC scan, I also uploaded the image and put it into the main post.

I also added these notes:
  • You can not put any containers into other containers. Not even repacked ones.
  • You can put a GSC into a contract, but you can not put that contract into a second contract.
  • You can put a contract (of loose items) into a second contract, but you can not put that contract into a third one.

Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.11.03 14:38:00 - [49]
 

Nice work/ibtl

StillBorn CrackBaby
Posted - 2010.11.03 14:53:00 - [50]
 

Once I hid a sock in my underwear. Unfortunately I hid it in the back and the girls thought I crapped myself...

Xercodo
Amarr
Xovoni Directorate
Posted - 2010.11.03 16:03:00 - [51]
 

*bookmarked*

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2010.11.03 16:07:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Genya Arikaido
I wonder if this would hide contraband from the Customs scanners?



It would, BUT, since you can not conract contraband, you can't do the double wrap/can & wrap.


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